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Zaara Arran
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zaara Arran on 31/08/2011 12:05:45
Hypothetical situation below. This has not happened to me ingame, and I don't intend to do this to anyone. I do wonder though, what the rules say about this.

So you have a mission runner ratting around in level fours with an expensive faction fit pimp-ship. This mission runner has no idea that someone with a personal grudge against him from outside of EVE has joined his corporation and found him in a mission. With a PvP ship at their disposal, they lock, web, scram, and quickly get the mission runner down to structure.

In the process, they open up a conversation with the mission runner and stop firing. The ransom is simple.

"Wire me money in real life, or you lose your ship and pod."

or maybe

"Tell your girlfriend you've cheated on her on Facebook right now, or you lose your ship and pod."

or maybe

"Delete your World of Warcraft character, or you lose your ship and pod."

Take your pick. The attacker has decided to ransom something outside of EVE Online from the desperate mission runner. Whether the mission runner is stupid enough to 'pay' the ransom or not over some internet spaceships is irrelevant. What I want to know is whether what the attacker is doing is allowed within the game rules or not.

If a GM were to take a look at those logs later, what action if any would be taken?

Where does internet spaceship piracy stop, and harassment begin?

Post your thoughts.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:07:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Zaara Arran
Hypothetical situation below. This has not happened to me ingame, and I don't intend to do this to anyone. I do wonder though, what the rules say about this.

So you have a mission runner ratting around in level fours with an expensive faction fit pimp-ship. This mission runner has no idea that someone with a personal grudge against him from outside of EVE has joined his corporation and found him in a mission. With a PvP ship at their disposal, they lock, web, scram, and quickly get the mission runner down to structure.

In the process, they open up a conversation with the mission runner and stop firing. The ransom is simple.

"Wire me money in real life, or you lose your ship and pod."

or maybe

"Tell your girlfriend you're breaking up with her on Facebook right now, or you lose your ship and pod."

or maybe

"Delete your World of Warcraft character, or you lose your ship and pod."

Take your pick. The attacker has decided to ransom something outside of EVE Online from the desperate mission runner. Whether the mission runner is stupid enough to 'pay' the ransom or not over some internet spaceships is irrelevant. What I want to know is whether what the attacker is doing is allowed within the game rules or not.

If a GM were to take a look at those logs later, what action if any would be taken?

Where does internet spaceship piracy stop, and harassment begin?

Post your thoughts.


Well the first one would be extortion which you would get arrested for and the other two you could just keep the logs, print screens and get the other guys banned. Nothing to problematic there,

Or in the third choice you could pre-empt this and go round their yard and smack the bejesus out of them.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:07:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 31/08/2011 12:07:28
Anything personal or RL related threats are a bannable offense.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:07:00 - [4]
 

Just say NO to the mind altering drugs

Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:07:00 - [5]
 

Try to get a girlfriend and you will be just fine

Zaara Arran
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Try to get a girlfriend and you will be just fine


Will you be my girlfriend? ♥

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:11:00 - [7]
 

you have played too much eve when...

you think people will use EVE to resolve RL problems

Tiven loves Tansien
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Zaara Arran
Originally by: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Try to get a girlfriend and you will be just fine


Will you be my girlfriend? ♥


I could be your bltch, sure.

CCP Guard


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:17:00 - [9]
 

At a glance this could possibly be considered a purchase of an "out of EVE" service for in-game currency.

Yeah, I'm pretty much an internet lawyer with interstellar conflicts as a specialty.

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:21:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 31/08/2011 12:21:20
The entire hypothetical situation is ridiculous. Nobody is going to place higher value on their virtual spaceship over their real life assets or girlfriend.

"Give up my Avatar which my alliance can replace, or break up with my girlfriend... BAHAHAHA get the **** outta here."

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:24:00 - [11]
 

I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 31/08/2011 12:21:20
The entire hypothetical situation is ridiculous. Nobody is going to place higher value on their virtual spaceship over their real life assets or girlfriend.

"Give up my Avatar which my alliance can replace, or break up with my girlfriend... BAHAHAHA get the **** outta here."


If she was annoying enough I would. WTT annoying ass GF* for a Ragnorok convo me.









*She also packed on a few pounds in the past couple months, so shes alittle thick as well.

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:28:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 31/08/2011 12:29:34
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
If she was annoying enough I would. WTT annoying ass GF* for a Ragnorok convo me.


The whole point of a ransom is that you're forced to give up something you don't want to give up in exchange for keeping something else that you value equally or more. So it's not really a ransom if it was something you were happy to give up anyway, now is it?

Draconyx
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 31/08/2011 12:21:20
The entire hypothetical situation is ridiculous. Nobody is going to place higher value on their virtual spaceship over their real life assets or girlfriend.

"Give up my Avatar which my alliance can replace, or break up with my girlfriend... BAHAHAHA get the **** outta here."


I don't know, if I was still dating certain girl friends, I think I would have traded her over in a heart beat.
Sure why not want her number LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:31:00 - [15]
 

I don't think you'll be allowed to play EVE from jail, so whether you're banned or not won't really matter…

Colt Mitri
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


Wouldn't this:

A/ Require that both parties are in the same city/state (a statistical improbability)
and
B/ Require the pirate to give his address to his "victim"

Me thinks you either:
A/ Recall incorectly
or
B/ Are a gullible fool

Zaara Arran
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tiven loves Tansien

I could be your bltch, sure.


Hot.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:54:00 - [18]
 

make a copy of the chatlog and go to the police is what i'd do.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Colt Mitri
Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


Wouldn't this:

A/ Require that both parties are in the same city/state (a statistical improbability)
and
B/ Require the pirate to give his address to his "victim"



A - No. I have done this for friends in other countries in Europe as a gift/joke a few times, not just with Pizza. I once paid for a 'cleaning' service to turn up at a divorced friend's house at 6am, ordered a takeaway chinese meal for delivery in the UK from Luxembourg, and so on...

B - Yes. Otherwise no pizza...

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:58:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 31/08/2011 13:00:13
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 31/08/2011 12:58:09
Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


i'd have taken a crap on that pizza before i sent it

URDEAD2ME
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:59:00 - [21]
 

i would reply ... " they say you are what you eat... so you must be a lesbian" and close convo.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.31 13:00:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Narisa Bithon
i'd have taken a sh1.t on that pizza before i sent it


Do you deliver?

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.08.31 13:09:00 - [23]
 

the classic is

"Sing for us (on voicecomms) or you lose your ship and pod."

and while I remember some recordings of these "ransoms" I cannot recall hearing about anyone getting banned for it
(but then maybe people just feel too humiliated/ashamed to petition afterwards)

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:27:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
At a glance this could possibly be considered a purchase of an "out of EVE" service for in-game currency.

Yeah, I'm pretty much an internet lawyer with interstellar conflicts as a specialty.


Dude, weren't you ordered to buy a monocle?

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:22:00 - [25]
 

I once held a member of a guild in UO for ransom. He was out on a ship afk macroing and I killed him, there is no way off the ship for dead players and I knew his guild was rich, so I contacted the guild and told them 100k or the cheater goes to the GM.

They paid fast Laughing

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:29:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Maxpie on 31/08/2011 16:29:40
Originally by: Colt Mitri
Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


Wouldn't this:

A/ Require that both parties are in the same city/state (a statistical improbability)
and
B/ Require the pirate to give his address to his "victim"

Me thinks you either:
A/ Recall incorectly
or
B/ Are a gullible fool


A. No. You can call an order someone a pizza from anywhere you have phone service.
B. Yes. As I recall the pirate was at university and didn't really mind. Also, the Eve community in general, and piracy in particular, was a bit different in those days. People would have victims get on TS and sing for their ransom, stuff like that.

I'm pretty sure I recall correctly, but yes, I'm a gullible fool. Thanks for e-insulting me.

Brutorr
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:32:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Brutorr on 31/08/2011 16:33:43
Originally by: Nomad Vherokic
Originally by: Colt Mitri
Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


Wouldn't this:

A/ Require that both parties are in the same city/state (a statistical improbability)
and
B/ Require the pirate to give his address to his "victim"



A - No. I have done this for friends in other countries in Europe as a gift/joke a few times, not just with Pizza. I once paid for a 'cleaning' service to turn up at a divorced friend's house at 6am, ordered a takeaway chinese meal for delivery in the UK from Luxembourg, and so on...

B - Yes. Otherwise no pizza...


I remember reading the story, was very funny. There was a note written on the inside of the pizza lid. The guy didn't actually give his address, but instead gave his parents address, there was some comedy when his mother read the note inside the lid.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=450249

Vaako Horizon
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:43:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
At a glance this could possibly be considered a purchase of an "out of EVE" service for in-game currency.

Yeah, I'm pretty much an internet lawyer with interstellar conflicts as a specialty.


In my experiance you GM's/dev's whould just ignore all and ban all.
Havent been much logic to you guys for some time.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.31 17:03:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Narisa Bithon
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 31/08/2011 13:00:13
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 31/08/2011 12:58:09
Originally by: Maxpie
I remember years back a pirate caught someone. The ransom they worked out was that the victim would have a pizza sent to the pirate's home in rl, which he actually did, much to the surprise of the pirate.

I always thought it was pure win, though I guess it could possibly be against the rules.


i'd have taken a crap on that pizza before i sent it


Luckily, Dominos already have that option.

Eshud Uktar
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.08.31 17:26:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Eshud Uktar on 31/08/2011 17:31:36
Originally by: Tippia
I don't think you'll be allowed to play EVE from jail, so whether you're banned or not won't really matter…


It depends where you're at, it seems. I read a couple of months ago (on yahoo news) about a chinese ex-convict who claimed that while he was in jail, the guards had him and other interns play WoW all night long, gold farming, and would beat them if they didn't meet a daily quota.

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