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Thamul
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:50:00 - [31]
 

Well if this game is as the two guys in here testing it say, I will be clinging to my Eve and screaming as the themeparks close in.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:52:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Alice Katsuko
and STO might provide better PvE content




lol good one

wait youre serious?
The ONLY fun part of that entire game is the deep space encounters and blowing ships up

Uninhabited
Caldari
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:52:00 - [33]
 

Yeah i think i saw some footage of a friend on twitch playing in the beta.. bah

Tribes: Ascend is where it's at, maybe(still bitter t2 vet). Jetpacks, skiing, LoL business model.. best of all no Origin and no need to use a browser to change servers. Enjoy your Bf3 'experience'.

vgb

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:55:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 02:57:46
Originally by: Thamul
On the SWTOR forums, they have said "sandbox mentality MMORPG's were a fad" and "they proved to fail, so they are fading away."


Yeah but to be honest that forum is so filled with hard core fanbois, the last testing phase it was difficult to put in bug reports on that section of the forum cause you had 20,000 neckbearded SW nerds cramming their opinions down your throat.

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:56:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Alice Katsuko
and STO might provide better PvE content




lol good one

wait youre serious?
The ONLY fun part of that entire game is the deep space encounters and blowing ships up


Hence the "might" in that sentence. Point being there are games out there that do the PvE thing better than EVE, although I haven't heard of any games that can match Incursions and Sleepers in terms of difficulty and excitement, though that may be partly because losses in EVE tend to be rather permanent.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:17:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 31/08/2011 02:38:46
Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class.

Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Sad



Well, GW2 is completely flushing the "trinity" down the toilet, making each character able to damage and control the enemy while healing themselves and supporting their allies, as well as flushing questing in general. It's definitely on the buy list.

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:19:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Alice Katsuko
Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 31/08/2011 02:38:46
Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class.

Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Sad



Well, GW2 is completely flushing the "trinity" down the toilet, making each character able to damage and control the enemy while healing themselves and supporting their allies, as well as flushing questing in general. It's definitely on the buy list.


Well technically.... every character in "A" game CAN be the main healer, has a Tank spec and a DPS Spec

But you didnt hear that from me

Gypsy RoseLee
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:20:00 - [38]
 

In case you were leaving SW:TOR for Eve Online......

Don't. I played the game, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad SW:TOR gets, it is still better than anything else.


I mean this is just...... it's crap.


It is crap.


It is so easy that on my last "mission", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I deployed my drones from my Dominix and just sat around while playing SW:TOR on the other machine. I wasn't even watching what my drones were doing, just auto attacking, and I completed the mission and received ALL bonus pay.

It is Eve Online of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same ships, same look, same modules.... and the people are idiots.


Makes me sad, I did so love my Eve Online

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:26:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:26:19
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee


It is Eve Online of Warcraft.




yeah.... try to make believe SWTOR isnt. Pretend real hard an maybe YOULL even believe that.
the fanboi/troll is strong with this one

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:26:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Monikerina
It is Star Wars of Warcraft. ...

Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars


This is more or less exactly the same impression I got from watching the trailers. I was still hoping the impression was wrong though - too bad to see it confirmed.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:28:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 31/08/2011 03:37:11
Dang link won't work. Here's the URL... worth a look.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OyHwqo***k

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:29:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:34:02
Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:30:23
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...


"The URL contained a malformed video ID."

Or not

worth a look

The only part I DO like is the storyline in certain parts of the game you can actually change the outcome. I like that part, but when you start seeing Star Destroyers and iconic technology in the game an you ask on the forums wtf only to be CRUCIFIED by the fanbois cause "youdont know your lore noob, it says in book 3 of blahblah..."
Only thing worse than lore hippies in a MMO is a MMO based on established lore with thousands of books/movies/TV shows to back it up

Gypsy RoseLee
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:31:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: What Isdees
Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:26:19
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee


It is Eve Online of Warcraft.




yeah.... try to make believe SWTOR isnt. Pretend real hard an maybe YOULL even believe that.
the fanboi/troll is strong with this one


I'm not a fanboy (or in this case, fangirl) of either game, just pointing out simplistic non-challenging PvE occurs in both games. In fact, I would rate the PvE in Eve Online as being worse but it is made up for by the fact that Eve Online has a stronger player crafting and PvP element.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:34:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...

fixed GW2 trailer link
You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links...

Also, "meh" at GW2 too.

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:36:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...

fixed GW2 trailer link
You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links...

Also, "meh" at GW2 too.


never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump

I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:38:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 31/08/2011 03:38:01
Originally by: What Isdees
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...

fixed GW2 trailer link
You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links...

Also, "meh" at GW2 too.


never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump

I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me


That's all completely changed now. Oh, thanks Akita, appreciate.

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:43:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: What Isdees on 31/08/2011 03:45:01
Originally by: Ingvar Angst


That's all completely changed now. Oh, thanks Akita, appreciate.


Kinda figured it would be by now, years later an all
I was just saying it killed my interest back when I tried it. I never looked back though. Maybe I will... hey out of curiosity, if I wanted to get in on the game do I have to buy all the million expansions theyve had or what?

The funny thing about TOR is if you point out flaws, the difficulty etc, the MAIN quote is "its just a beta"
Funny thing is thats exactly the phrase that kept the fanbois at STO afloat so long lol

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:06:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: What Isdees
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...

fixed GW2 trailer link
You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links...

Also, "meh" at GW2 too.


never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump

I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me


GW2 is much better than GW1. At least, IMO. People will have to make that call themselves. Personally, it is the first MMOG in a LONG time that I am excited for.

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:08:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: What Isdees
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Worth a look...

fixed GW2 trailer link
You people should really check the forum auto-censorship doesn't kill your links...

Also, "meh" at GW2 too.


never liked guild wars... the fact you had to follow set pathing and the lack of the ability to jump

I know its kinda dumb, but that over anything else destroyed that game for me


GW2 is much better than GW1. At least, IMO. People will have to make that call themselves. Personally, it is the first MMOG in a LONG time that I am excited for.


SW WAS till I read the "WoW is the touchstone" thing then I got a cold pit in my stomach, so I wasnt AS disappointed when I got in

Alienist
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:40:00 - [50]
 

I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper.

Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind.

I do agree however that SWTOR will probably be a letdown. But that would be a subject for a TLDR post.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:45:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Alienist
I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper.

Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind.

I do agree however that SWTOR will probably be a letdown. But that would be a subject for a TLDR post.


Dont you underatand, if youre in any game other than WoW the number one priority is to ***** about WoW. Its in the Gamers Constitution or something

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:52:00 - [52]
 

I only drink coke because no shops in my town stock Dr Pepper.

Some folks will get into SW:TOR because they are Star Wars geeks. The poor gameplay won't get to them until a couple of years are up, and in many cases they won't care because they get to use the dark side of the Force and smack good guys around.

Playing those "touchstone" games does give me a new appreciation for EVE, even with all its flaws.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:54:00 - [53]
 

Not surprising, they all look and play about the same.
You just get to pick the shell you want to use.

Other then that.
Lets see grind levels, do missions, craft, group missions, raids, arena PvP.
Yup that pretty much sums them all up.




Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:58:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Chopper Rollins on 31/08/2011 04:59:54
Originally by: Alienist

Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind.



I hear you on the liking both games, good for you if you can. True, the wow hating can be a bit hollow and subjective.
The quote about wow being the touchstone, from which all deviations are dumb? The reason that is chilling is because it's the words of a money chasing business droid who has no love for games or gamers. His function is to bring profits for shareholders. Mindless zombies like that fail daily and wonder why. They open a restaurant figuring, 'Well people gotta eat...', but they don't like food prep or service or managing restaurants or any of the things that you can make money by doing. They're in it for the dollar alone and the worst of them copy a formula that's been done, which is a sure-fire way to make a mediocre business turn to dust.
That's the mindset afflicting ccp, what will be amazing is the baffled and confused look on their faces when everything dries up and fades away.

PS Economists are like weathermen, they don't get fired for being wrong, they tell you how things are going and how they will go right up until disaster. Then they explain how the disaster happened and why, then charge you for that expertise!

edit: speleling


Ghoest
Posted - 2011.08.31 05:51:00 - [55]
 

GW2 looks to be the spiritual heir to DAoC - with good improvements(as opposed to WAR which was the Paul Barnett taking a **** on on your PC.)

Im excited about it, but its a different kind of game than EVE.

PlanetSide2 is the other game I want to try.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.31 05:56:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung

Nice, way to break the NDA lol


because breaking the Bioware NDA on the Eve forums is 100% traceable...Rolling Eyes

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.31 06:22:00 - [57]
 

got to play it has PAX, nice booth btw CCP and it was a blast seeing two grown men almost get into a fight over a video card, and it really is WoW in space. it feels the same in almost every way to the point you could outright rename the skills to have wow names.

it really was a bit of a disappointment. i will have to see how its final PvE is laid out, story questing ect, because that is frankly the only way it might be better. its PvP in on the other hand felt like a direct clone.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.31 07:12:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
but the CEO of Bioware says it best:
Quote:
Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."
Thats the guys in charge
lol
Weeell… it's a strong IP, in spite of Lucas' heart-felt attempts to kill it, so I don't think it'll go into maintenance until 2013 or so. The servers will probably still be open in 2014. Laughing

When will people understand that there is one game that already excels at being like WoW and Blizzard, and that is WoW and Blizzard, and that they will always be better at it than everyone else. If that is what people want, you won't pull them away by doing exactly the same — you have to convince them that they want something else and then offer that instead.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.31 07:13:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Alienist
I am going to throw a stone into this nest. We all know how EVE community hates WoW. From several reasons. Most of them are quite legit. But at the same time very, very subjective. You know, there is a reason 10 million people play WoW and not EvE. You may hate Coke as well but there is a reason why entire world drinks Coke and not Dr. Pepper.
Odd people like me enjoys both EvE and WoW. Both from totally different reasons. I know many EvE players who keeps hating on WoW and many WoW players who keeps hating on EVE (lol, Excel in space). The point is, dont say a game is BAD becouse it's a WoW clone. That alone is not a reason to make it fail, unless in your own space and mind.

There's a huge good reason why a lot of EVE players rip on WoW, which is also the same reason so many people play it, and it's also one of the most often voiced concern regarding fears of possible future developments in EVE : increasingly catering to a lower and lower common denominator.

WoW is the distilled essence of a lightly guided themepark ride, holding your hand at almost every turn, making sure you don't make too many mistakes, offering just barely enough choices to make you feel as if you actually have a choice.
OF COURSE it appeals to a truckload of people, but that doesn't mean it's really what you could call "good". It's merely pleasant and entertaining, for a limited amount of time. So, by all means, feel free to like both, but know WHY you like each.

Whenever somebody holds WoW to be the standard-setter, you're talking about emulating most of the experience, and why the hell would you want to play a game that's basically a rethemed WoW ? Just play WoW instead, they had far more time to refine it.
It's not that a WoW-like game is bad, it's that WoW is more like WoW than any other game attempting to be WoW Twisted Evil
(duh)
So if all you want is just WoW with a Star Wars skin, by all means, play TOR. Just know that's exactly what you're going to get.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.08.31 07:59:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Akita T
You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ?



Good point. MMOs seem to come off the same assembly line these days. Eve has its failings, but its still original.


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