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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.08.30 15:49:00 - [1]
 

Calling it now, Dust will be released with just 2 maps, 1 game mode, and not integrated with eve in any way. CCP will be "working on it" and promise to integrate the two games in the next patch which is "going to be awesome".

Several years later, we'l see a map pack released available for AUR, and a fix for assault rifles that have not been reloading reliably, but nobody will care.


Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:01:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala
Calling it now, Dust will be released with just 2 maps, 1 game mode, and not integrated with eve in any way. CCP will be "working on it" and promise to integrate the two games in the next patch which is "going to be awesome".

Several years later, we'l see a map pack released available for AUR, and a fix for assault rifles that have not been reloading reliably, but nobody will care.




Consolers. Several years later they'll have all moved on to the next game of the month.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:04:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Soi Mala
Calling it now, Dust will be released with just 2 maps, 1 game mode, and not integrated with eve in any way. CCP will be "working on it" and promise to integrate the two games in the next patch which is "going to be awesome".

Several years later, we'l see a map pack released available for AUR, and a fix for assault rifles that have not been reloading reliably, but nobody will care.




Consolers. Several WEEKS later they'll have all moved on to the next game of the month.


years? hah you give them too much credit

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:07:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Generals4 on 30/08/2011 16:07:23
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Soi Mala
Calling it now, Dust will be released with just 2 maps, 1 game mode, and not integrated with eve in any way. CCP will be "working on it" and promise to integrate the two games in the next patch which is "going to be awesome".

Several years later, we'l see a map pack released available for AUR, and a fix for assault rifles that have not been reloading reliably, but nobody will care.




Consolers. Several years later they'll have all moved on to the next game of the month.


While this is a blatant generalization which can also apply to many PC gamers, the fact many players might quickly move on is actually a major concern which could ruin the whole Dust <=> EVE interactions

Kilrayn
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:32:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Generals4
Edited by: Generals4 on 30/08/2011 16:07:23
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Soi Mala
Calling it now, Dust will be released with just 2 maps, 1 game mode, and not integrated with eve in any way. CCP will be "working on it" and promise to integrate the two games in the next patch which is "going to be awesome".

Several years later, we'l see a map pack released available for AUR, and a fix for assault rifles that have not been reloading reliably, but nobody will care.




Consolers. Several years later they'll have all moved on to the next game of the month.


While this is a blatant generalization which can also apply to many PC gamers, the fact many players might quickly move on is actually a major concern which could ruin the whole Dust <=> EVE interactions


My precition - Very few fps players who buy dust will even care that it affects eve, but they'll care when eve affects them.

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:40:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala
not integrated with eve in any way.

This would be a plus. Then when it bombs it won't take down Eve with it.

Colonel MacArthur
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:53:00 - [7]
 

I do have high hopes for this game. Everyone says all console gamers will just skip this game for the next FPS to come out, but there hasn't been a FPS like this one ever created. If its done correctly, I cant see how this game would be over looked.

The only other FPS game that's different from the rest is MAG because of the large battles that take place instead of standard 16 vs 16 crap. Even though the developers abandoned that game and left it to die, many people still refuse to play anything else (me included) simply because its the type of FPS a lot of people have wanted. One that has a leveling system and progression. It is limited but its something.

CCP is going above and beyond with Dust and even though some may think its just another FPS game, its far beyond and other FPS console game on the market. Most MAG players are just waiting for Dust. There are a couple of websites full of people that have been waiting for dust for years and the MAG community is ****ting their pants.

There are millions of people who own a PS3 all CCP needs is a small portion of dedicated players like EVE. And by default dust will get a huge player base in the start at least because its going to be like $20 to play and thats it. Most people dont want to spend $60 on another stupid CoD game.

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Colonel MacArthur
I do have high hopes for this game. Everyone says all console gamers will just skip this game for the next FPS to come out, but there hasn't been a FPS like this one ever created. If its done correctly, I cant see how this game would be over looked.

The only other FPS game that's different from the rest is MAG because of the large battles that take place instead of standard 16 vs 16 crap. Even though the developers abandoned that game and left it to die, many people still refuse to play anything else (me included) simply because its the type of FPS a lot of people have wanted. One that has a leveling system and progression. It is limited but its something.

CCP is going above and beyond with Dust and even though some may think its just another FPS game, its far beyond and other FPS console game on the market. Most MAG players are just waiting for Dust. There are a couple of websites full of people that have been waiting for dust for years and the MAG community is ****ting their pants.

There are millions of people who own a PS3 all CCP needs is a small portion of dedicated players like EVE. And by default dust will get a huge player base in the start at least because its going to be like $20 to play and thats it. Most people dont want to spend $60 on another stupid CoD game.


The problem is, "Fearless" says DUST will be pay and pay and keep paying in order to be competetive. For this to be viable the game REALLY needs to be excellent, and all reviews of the demos I've read so far said "average shooter, but the integration will rock" - something no one has seen yet. I'm worried that the game will not be able to keep a base of constantly paying customers, and that might well pull down EVE with it, or at least make all the dev time something for the garbage bin.

Colonel MacArthur
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Colonel MacArthur
I do have high hopes for this game. Everyone says all console gamers will just skip this game for the next FPS to come out, but there hasn't been a FPS like this one ever created. If its done correctly, I cant see how this game would be over looked.

The only other FPS game that's different from the rest is MAG because of the large battles that take place instead of standard 16 vs 16 crap. Even though the developers abandoned that game and left it to die, many people still refuse to play anything else (me included) simply because its the type of FPS a lot of people have wanted. One that has a leveling system and progression. It is limited but its something.

CCP is going above and beyond with Dust and even though some may think its just another FPS game, its far beyond and other FPS console game on the market. Most MAG players are just waiting for Dust. There are a couple of websites full of people that have been waiting for dust for years and the MAG community is ****ting their pants.

There are millions of people who own a PS3 all CCP needs is a small portion of dedicated players like EVE. And by default dust will get a huge player base in the start at least because its going to be like $20 to play and thats it. Most people dont want to spend $60 on another stupid CoD game.


The problem is, "Fearless" says DUST will be pay and pay and keep paying in order to be competetive. For this to be viable the game REALLY needs to be excellent, and all reviews of the demos I've read so far said "average shooter, but the integration will rock" - something no one has seen yet. I'm worried that the game will not be able to keep a base of constantly paying customers, and that might well pull down EVE with it, or at least make all the dev time something for the garbage bin.


I agree with most of what you said. But I do disagree with the pay and pay to be competitive. CCP has said you should be able to get everything with ISK, but also able to buy the same weapons with $ if you dont have the time to earn it yourself. Now thats putting faith in CCP....but they were pretty explicit with saying there will be no pay to win for dust514. If that happened the game would instantly die. I wouldn't touch it.

Good point on the "average shooter, cool integration" I can only hope they spice things up and with 6 months of beta, maybe we testers can do that *crosses fingers*. If the game is truly good I would spend my own money in order to help the game progress, customizing your body armor to look different or add logos is fair and acceptable.

Taking a bunch of EVE devs away from EVE is bad though. Doing that could be problematic, they should hire a new team for Dust only.

Rat Bite
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:19:00 - [10]
 

Quite frankly, now that Planetside 2 has been anounced, I dont really care what happens to Dust or Eve. I am still hopelessly addicted to these boards tho!!!!

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:24:00 - [11]
 

the problem with dust is, it wont mean anything because its CCP or eve,

console players dont give a **** about PC.
eve nothing to most console players
dust is a shooter
PS3 has more shooters then 360
shooters sell better on 360.

result will be, only a small group of people will buy dust ( unless it turns out to be really good)
few will stay with dust
by the time dust comes out, next gen will be right around the corner.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:31:00 - [12]
 

My prediction is this;

Dust will be mildly to moderately successful > CCP will re-invest the profit back into Eve online > People will still ***** about both EvE and Dust on the forums, and they will also ***** about the forums themselves.

I'll bet you (anyone) a monocle. You give yours to Chribba to hold first.

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:51:00 - [13]
 

The attention span of the average console gamer is like 3 months maximu. Then they'll pick up the next FPS, and if they have to do anything complex they'll quit before the 3 months. Yes, there is a small minority who will keep playing.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:22:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
My prediction is this;

Dust will be mildly to moderately successful > CCP will re-invest the profit back into World of Darkness



Fixed that for you

Zero None
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:29:00 - [15]
 

Predictions eh? Ok i'll bite:
"In the year two thousand, in the year two thousaaaaaaaaannd!"

One year after Dust's release, the last remaining dozen fans of the game are angered after CCP makes the game free for everyone. Outraged over the fact that they had to pay for it up until this point, they all emigrate to GeOW3, only to realize it too is long dead, having been killed off by MW3, which in return was killed off afterwards by BF3, which at that point had long ago been replaced by CS:GO, only to realize it too was dead having been replaced by...

"In the year two thousand, in the year two thousaaaaaaaaannd!"


CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:52:00 - [16]
 

Thread cleaned of off-topic posts.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:18:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of off-topic posts.


lol thats kinda funny

Kilrayn
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zero None
Predictions eh? Ok i'll bite:
"In the year two thousand, in the year two thousaaaaaaaaannd!"

One year after Dust's release, the last remaining dozen fans of the game are angered after CCP makes the game free for everyone. Outraged over the fact that they had to pay for it up until this point, they all emigrate to GeOW3, only to realize it too is long dead, having been killed off by MW3, which in return was killed off afterwards by BF3, which at that point had long ago been replaced by CS:GO, only to realize it too was dead having been replaced by...

"In the year two thousand, in the year two thousaaaaaaaaannd!"




Lol, nice 1

Russell Casey
Posted - 2011.08.30 22:51:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Russell Casey on 30/08/2011 22:52:31
Prediction: Dust comes out as normal. The FPS crowd plays it for a month then goes on to Call of Duty 27. CCP changes sov to require control of all planet districts. EVE players *****, moan, threaten to cancel their subs and shoot the statues but in the end all the big 0.0 alliances order their members to buy a PS3 or be knocked down to the renter corps. They do so.


Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:24:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ryhss
The attention span of the average console gamer is like 3 months maximu. Then they'll pick up the next FPS, and if they have to do anything complex they'll quit before the 3 months. Yes, there is a small minority who will keep playing.

u see, this is false and it seems only pc elitist think that

why do us console gamers go seem to go game to game? cause we do..
i'l have gears 3 skyrim and BF3 this winter, a typical gamer saturday would probably be, wake up play some skyrimm, friend gets on and we play horde in gears, another friend gets on and we kick a in BF3...

its how it is, a lot of console gamers are just as, oh wait, more mature then PC players and eve players.

i will probably get dust ( if its decent) cause i just recently bought a ps3, its not as bad as i thought it would be, mag is great and it has some good exclusives, but Dust will be just another FPS and so far it hasnt shown anything to be special in the market.

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:50:00 - [21]
 

*****?

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:13:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 31/08/2011 02:14:40
Originally by: Russell Casey
Edited by: Russell Casey on 30/08/2011 22:52:31
Prediction: Dust comes out as normal. The FPS crowd plays it for a month then goes on to Call of Duty 27. CCP changes sov to require control of all planet districts. EVE players *****, moan, threaten to cancel their subs and shoot the statues but in the end all the big 0.0 alliances order their members to buy a PS3 or be knocked down to the renter corps. They do so.




Wonder if this isnt gonna make renter corps real money type renters given that youll HAVE to help with these defenses in some corps/alliances. IE Get a PS3 or get out.

lol xxxxx corp is recruiting only 30m+ pilots must have PS3

Originally by: Herping yourDerp

its how it is, a lot of console gamers are just as, oh wait, more mature then PC players and eve players.



Good job, you lived up to your name AND discredited your own argument in one sentence


Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:20:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
My prediction is this;

Dust will be mildly to moderately successful > CCP will re-invest the profit back into Eve online > People will still ***** about both EvE and Dust on the forums, and they will also ***** about the forums themselves.

I'll bet you (anyone) a monocle. You give yours to Chribba to hold first.

Even if it's moderately successful at launch it won't stay that way for long. Console gamers have ADHD and will move on to another game within a month. Also any money it makes will more than likely go towards the Twilight mmo and not Eve.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Goddess Ishtar
Originally by: Cipher Jones
My prediction is this;

Dust will be mildly to moderately successful > CCP will re-invest the profit back into Eve online > People will still ***** about both EvE and Dust on the forums, and they will also ***** about the forums themselves.

I'll bet you (anyone) a monocle. You give yours to Chribba to hold first.

Even if it's moderately successful at launch it won't stay that way for long. Console gamers have ADHD and will move on to another game within a month. Also any money it makes will more than likely go towards the Twilight mmo and not Eve.


Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Cipher Jones
My prediction is this;

Dust will be mildly to moderately successful > CCP will re-invest the profit back into World of Darkness



Fixed that for you


It was already said though not as well Very Happy

Information Agent
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:50:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Information Agent on 31/08/2011 03:50:37
The thing with consoles is, they are designed for short term, fast burn gameplay, in that you can switch a console on, play a few rounds of 'generic fps x' then shut it down and do something else. When I switch on my xbox, I do it so I can have a 30 min blast of something and not feel the need to be pulled into something thats going to take a long time to complete, console gaming is carefree gaming tbh.

Hypothetical:
Add srs internet spaceships to the console platform and you either get the diehards who will play Dust because they play EVE or you get the 'quick blast' guys that will move on to the next title that comes along. Maybe both to start with, but soon there will only be the diehards, and the number of those is evident in the server population graphs of EVE, not very many for a console game.

If Dust is linked to EVE then purely by the mechanics of how EVE works and is, a long term investment will need to be made to Dust in order to progress and achieve things that any other fps can give the gamer in far less time. Will console gamers really wake up early on their days off work/school or stay up late on work/school days to attend a cta planetside for some pc using Eve alliance/corp leader that they don't know? I wonder what the level of 'commit' is in Dust in order for it to be played in the manner that Eve demands of it.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Information Agent
Will console gamers really wake up early on their days off work/school or stay up late on work/school days to attend a cta planetside for some pc using Eve alliance/corp leader that they don't know? I wonder what the level of 'commit' is in Dust in order for it to be played in the manner that Eve demands of it.


This is pretty much why I dont see this dust project working with any great amount of usefulness

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:02:00 - [27]
 

My prediction is that it will fail miserably. Another medicore first person shooter in a sea of medicore first person shooters.

CCP failed to realize that Eve is all they have. They should have invested in Eve, but now they have ruined themselves for ever.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:14:00 - [28]
 


What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:19:00 - [29]
 

Well what people that dont play this game fail to realize (ans is likely why they ***** an moan when they try to play it) is that this game takes commitment to play. I dont honestly see consolers getting up at 2 am their time just to run an op

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:38:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
INB4 Counter-strike: Global Offensive


Thanks for the link... can't wait. CS gameplay was unique and valve are good at polish.

I loved the part that console players are limited to 5v5 matches, while PC gamers can run custom. Valve knows how to take advantage of each platform's strengths.




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