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Mister Sadface
Posted - 2011.08.29 22:44:00 - [1]
 

Hello players & CCP,

I would like to ask whether or not it is allowed to use copy/paste macros by utilizing tools like AutoHotkey.

The script would work specifically by binding different keyboard shortcuts to different text phrases. It would function internally by overriding the contents of the Windows clipboard with the predefined text phrase triggered by the correlating keyboard shortcut.

By using predefined keyboard shortcuts, I would use this tool to "paste" different chat messages in-game.

I have not actually created or used such a tool, yet, because I wanted to confirm whether or not it was allowed.

Thanks for your time.
Mr. Sadface

Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
Posted - 2011.08.29 22:53:00 - [2]
 

not allowed but plenty of people use them to spam those unoriginal contract or isk doubling scams.

Hiroshi Nagasaki
Posted - 2011.08.29 23:01:00 - [3]
 

look into the Jita local and u have ur answer



malaire
Posted - 2011.08.30 07:25:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: malaire on 30/08/2011 07:26:06
That tool has many functions, some which would not be allowed.

But if you only use it to alter Windows clipboard, and not do anything which directly affects client, then my guess would be that it is OK.

However to get official answer you would need to make petition. There is Exploit category for asking if something is exploit or not, however getting answer can take long time.

Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood
Posted - 2011.08.30 07:26:00 - [5]
 

I seem to recall speaking to someone who petitioned about the use of chat spam macros, and the GM actually OK'ed it according to him.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.30 08:23:00 - [6]
 

Not allowed as described functionality is not included in original EvE client.
If you want confirmation ask from CCP Sreegs, but this is quite clear case.


Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.30 09:55:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Harlot Hohannson
not allowed but plenty of people use them to spam those unoriginal contract or isk doubling scams.


If you petition the macro spammers they will get banned. Rens is pretty quiet in terms of spammers now.

malaire
Posted - 2011.08.30 11:30:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: malaire on 30/08/2011 11:35:32
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Not allowed as described functionality is not included in original EvE client.
If you want confirmation ask from CCP Sreegs, but this is quite clear case.


Described functionality has nothing to do with EVE Client, only with Windows Clipboard.

So do you claim that using external clipboard-enhancing applications which don't interact with EVE Client in any way is clear exploit?

edit: If you don't know it yet, the Windows Clipboard is specifically designed for easy data transfer between different applications. So having one application write data into clipboard, which you then manually paste into EVE, would in my opinion be the exact usecase for which Clipboard was designed to be used for.

A Little Girl
Posted - 2011.08.30 11:34:00 - [9]
 

It's a macro! Gettim!

Mister Sadface
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: malaire

Described functionality has nothing to do with EVE Client, only with Windows Clipboard.

So do you claim that using external clipboard-enhancing applications which don't interact with EVE Client in any way is clear exploit?

edit: If you don't know it yet, the Windows Clipboard is specifically designed for easy data transfer between different applications. So having one application write data into clipboard, which you then manually paste into EVE, would in my opinion be the exact usecase for which Clipboard was designed to be used for.


Thanks for all the replies!

malaire's thoughts above is what's brought me to question the legitimacy of this utility. The tool wouldn't alter the EVE client nor would it automate client input in any way, it is literally a shortcut binding to existing copy/paste functionality.

For example, I would bind keys F9 through F12 to copy different chat phrases into the clipboard buffer. Up to this point there is no client interaction. The only interaction to the client would be manually pasting the clipboard.

I can see this getting a bit sketchy if I actually triggered a copy and paste all in one key binding (though, an answer to this would be appreciated as well).

Thanks again,
-Mr. Sadface

malaire
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:19:00 - [11]
 

btw, I've been using javascript to implement similar functionality, however this needs mouse click + Ctrl-C to get data into clipboard.

Example here: http://evref.com/?text=21 (I've used this for often needed answers in Help-chat)

malaire
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mister Sadface
I can see this getting a bit sketchy if I actually triggered a copy and paste all in one key binding (though, an answer to this would be appreciated as well).

Some comments from GM Horse in this thread, but nothing too clear:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1263498/page/1

In the beginning GM Horse is forbidding all kinds of macros, but in post 34 he says that "macros are forbidden" but:
Originally by: GM Horse
G15s and similar products may be used with EVE, as they are extremely limited in their function, and don't provide any sort of advantage over other players. They will at most save you a couple of button presses. Most players with G15s that I know of used them to activate all their guns simultaneously with f1-f8, but this is largely obsolete with weapon grouping.

Mister Sadface
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:00:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: malaire
Originally by: Mister Sadface
I can see this getting a bit sketchy if I actually triggered a copy and paste all in one key binding (though, an answer to this would be appreciated as well).

Some comments from GM Horse in this thread, but nothing too clear:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1263498/page/1

In the beginning GM Horse is forbidding all kinds of macros, but in post 34 he says that "macros are forbidden" but:
Originally by: GM Horse
G15s and similar products may be used with EVE, as they are extremely limited in their function, and don't provide any sort of advantage over other players. They will at most save you a couple of button presses. Most players with G15s that I know of used them to activate all their guns simultaneously with f1-f8, but this is largely obsolete with weapon grouping.



That's pretty enlightening information. So, by the GM's logic, reducing the number of keystrokes to copy and paste an arbitrary piece of text is well within the boundaries as it does nothing more than save a few button presses.

Would like GM or CCP confirmation too, of course :)

Thanks for the find,
-Mr. Sadface

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:07:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Aessaya on 30/08/2011 20:08:34
Well, by GM Horse's logic i can program my Arctosa with spam messages and it would be within allowed rules, yay \o/

Although, if you use autohotkey to change clipboard contents, but then paste it manually, that could not be classified as "enhancing game client functionality". At least i think so.

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:38:00 - [15]
 

I think that macro's are okay as long as you are the trigger.

As mentioned, the keyboards in question can map macro's and it's the same thing as mapping a macro in AHK or any other program of the ILK.

The issue comes in with triggers, timers, or self-adjusting macro's.

CCP cant currently legally detect AHK or any program like that, so if it's for simple repetitive crap then why not.

Bloody Wench
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:11:00 - [16]
 

No matter what you do, you're only cheating if you're not at the controls.
If you can respond to a GM, you're fine.

malaire
Posted - 2011.08.31 07:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Bloody Wench
No matter what you do, you're only cheating if you're not at the controls.
If you can respond to a GM, you're fine.

Actually, I've heard that GMs have approved some automation where you are NOT at the controls (I mean IGB javascript data-export).

I'm still waiting answer to my petition about that, and also that what-is-botting dev blog CCP Sreegs promised.


 

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