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saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:32:00 - [1]
 

Could of been your money ccp, but unlike this other game your cash shop sells USELESS decorative items. Implament skillpoints, restats and usefull items and some of that money cake could be yours Razz

Rhinanna
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:35:00 - [2]
 

And lose 5x or more that money from other players quitting the now Pay to Win game

Ms Kat
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:37:00 - [3]
 

the games already pay to win riah hate to break it to you, but plex = isk.. isk = powah so yeah. already happened your a bit late

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:56:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ms Kat
the games already pay to win riah hate to break it to you, but plex = isk.. isk = powah so yeah. already happened your a bit late


not exactly or can you buy skill to put it into proper use? Many people buying expensive stuff and lose it in the next moment..

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:02:00 - [5]
 

It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.

saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:10:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.



This guy understands it. My point is if the NEX will only sell useless crap then may as well jsut close it down and save the hastle.

However i do genuinly believe eve is headed towards a F2P modle in the future

Alec Freeman
Minmatar
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:10:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.


Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.

and as for the "you cant buy skillpoints" argument. Go pop a gander at the character bazaar, if people do really want to spend an obsciene amount of money for PLEX then they have the option to just buy someone elses X skillpoint character off of them.

saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:20:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: saltrock0000 on 28/08/2011 13:20:20
Originally by: Alec Freeman
Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.





Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.

and as for the "you cant buy skillpoints" argument. Go pop a gander at the character bazaar, if people do really want to spend an obsciene amount of money for PLEX then they have the option to just buy someone elses X skillpoint character off of them.




Many other games sell unique items in thier cash shops. I understand your point about for example being able to buy a scorpion with cash. There would be less of a point for the ingame people to build them. Unique items on the otherhand i see no issues with as they would NOT be able to be manufactured in game and would ONLY come from the NeX store. Just look at the tree as it is, market<facion<complex<Officer why not add a <NeX over the top. Im not saying i'd endorce gold ammo or other gold items, just the argument doesnt hold up

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Alec Freeman


Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.




I fail to see how CCP allowing some players to also profit from the selling of power somehow makes the PLEX system OK. If CCP just provides a vehicle, the PLEX, to get what you want from other players its OK but if they sell it to you directly they've violated the prime directive of game fairness and we should all get out now?

Kira Bellum
Amarr
Schwarzwald Homeland
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dane El
Originally by: Alec Freeman


Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.




I fail to see how CCP allowing some players to also profit from the selling of power somehow makes the PLEX system OK. If CCP just provides a vehicle, the PLEX, to get what you want from other players its OK but if they sell it to you directly they've violated the prime directive of game fairness and we should all get out now?


think of it like this.

you have 2 people in a corp, 1 is poor and in highschool, and the other a successful corporate drone.

the business person says to the other guy, ill pay your sub, if you farm isk for me. before plex, do you really think this didnt happen?

the plex system is basically ccp putting that informal agreement into a marketized formal agreement usable and trustable by all.

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:43:00 - [11]
 

That's just one example. Consider this one. Two corps go to war. They're evenly matched in every way and really get after it blowing up tons of ship. Both corps run low on ISK. One buys a bunch of PLEX and restocks. The other ships down to cheap T1 fits and gets roflstomped. How is that OK to the anti-RMT crowd?

Teinyhr
Minmatar
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:44:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Teinyhr on 28/08/2011 13:44:05
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
not exactly or can you buy skill to put it into proper use? Many people buying expensive stuff and lose it in the next moment..


Not straight out but - buy plex, sell plex, buy a prebaked 50M SP toon with the ISK. Sure it costs a lot more but still, possible.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kira Bellum
Originally by: Dane El
Originally by: Alec Freeman


Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.




I fail to see how CCP allowing some players to also profit from the selling of power somehow makes the PLEX system OK. If CCP just provides a vehicle, the PLEX, to get what you want from other players its OK but if they sell it to you directly they've violated the prime directive of game fairness and we should all get out now?


think of it like this.

you have 2 people in a corp, 1 is poor and in highschool, and the other a successful corporate drone.

the business person says to the other guy, ill pay your sub, if you farm isk for me. before plex, do you really think this didnt happen?

the plex system is basically ccp putting that informal agreement into a marketized formal agreement usable and trustable by all.


The nice thing here is that the average cost per user is still ~$15 per account and that, except in a few extreme cases (SerLordEx or something?), it is going to be difficult for the (Ingame) seller to have a significant effect on the game and pull ahead when compared to exactly how good people who are easily plexing their 5+ accounts will have. The plex system results in more players and accounts (check out Akita T's recent post on Romanians and their wages in comparison to the EVE subscription), and the (ingame) PLEX buyers end up being the most dedicated players who add the most to the game and the community.

Disclaimer: I am a poor college student with five accounts who stopped paying IRL $ for plex six months or so ago.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Demon Azrakel
Originally by: Kira Bellum
Originally by: Dane El
Originally by: Alec Freeman


Well the real problem with isk / items being sold in the Nex shop is that they will be pooft into existance from nothing by CCP. Atleast when someone sells a plex it is bought with money that has been farmed ingame by another player.




I fail to see how CCP allowing some players to also profit from the selling of power somehow makes the PLEX system OK. If CCP just provides a vehicle, the PLEX, to get what you want from other players its OK but if they sell it to you directly they've violated the prime directive of game fairness and we should all get out now?


think of it like this.

you have 2 people in a corp, 1 is poor and in highschool, and the other a successful corporate drone.

the business person says to the other guy, ill pay your sub, if you farm isk for me. before plex, do you really think this didnt happen?

the plex system is basically ccp putting that informal agreement into a marketized formal agreement usable and trustable by all.


The nice thing here is that the average cost per user is still ~$15 per account and that, except in a few extreme cases (SerLordEx or something?), it is going to be difficult for the (Ingame) seller to have a significant effect on the game and pull ahead when compared to exactly how good people who are easily plexing their 5+ accounts will have. The plex system results in more players and accounts (check out Akita T's recent post on Romanians and their wages in comparison to the EVE subscription), and the (ingame) PLEX buyers end up being the most dedicated players who add the most to the game and the community.

Disclaimer: I am a poor college student with five accounts who stopped paying IRL $ for plex six months or so ago.


Originally by: Teinyhr
Edited by: Teinyhr on 28/08/2011 13:44:05
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
not exactly or can you buy skill to put it into proper use? Many people buying expensive stuff and lose it in the next moment..


Not straight out but - buy plex, sell plex, buy a prebaked 50M SP toon with the ISK. Sure it costs a lot more but still, possible.


In this case, the ingame SP pool still only rises at a certain rate, you cannot go heehee Dr Camayus, I have more SP than you (almost instantly) due to RL $.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:03:00 - [15]
 

Lots of people are still unironically asking this question. "Why the hate for power MTs when PLEX are already power MTs?"

Think about what happens with the PLEX transaction. The originating player buys a GTC from CCP or some other retailer and redeems it into 2 PLEX. At this point CCP count their product obligation as fulfilled; the player has receive what he has paid for, regardless of what happens to it in the future. So far, this is pretty much identical to any other MT: gief publisher monies = can haz in-game itemz. But what can you actually do with your PLEX?

Well first you can add it on to your own account, which enables you to play the game for another 30 days. Of course this isn't really a MT in any way that people care about, just a slightly roundabout way to pay a subscription, but I presume we can agree that this promotes gameplay, insofar as it means that the original purchaser will play EVE for +30 days.

Secondly, you can sell it to another player for ISK. This is where it gets interesting, and where it starts to look like RMT and so forth. The most important difference is that the ISK exchange is between two players, not between a player and CCP. This sounds too obvious and trivial to be worth mentioning, but so many people don't seem to understand how important this subtle difference is. Player A sells a PLEX to player B for 400M ISK. (In and of itself, this is a player interaction just like any other market trade, BTW) The amount of ISK ingame stays the same. The ISK that player A receives, he receives apparently without doing any work for it, but the important thing is that work was done for that ISK. So player B had to do missions, convert LP, play the Jita market, risk his ship ratting, run a research POS and sell BPCs or do whatever other activity he engaged in to raise that 400M ISK. If Player A wasn't lazy or time-restricted or whatever other reason he'd rather pay $17.50 than make 400M for himself, he would have done all those activities. As it is, Player B did it on his behalf, but those activities still had to take place, with all the normal implications for wider interaction with the EVE economy and community. To the rest of EVE there is no functional difference between player A selling a PLEX to player B, and player A using his ISK making alt A2 to make 400M.

Additionally, the value received is determined directly by player supply and demand. The amount of ISK you can get for your $17.50 is always dynamically set to exactly what the EVE playerbase as a whole thinks it should be. If CCP sold ISK directly, they'd pick a value (and you can bet your ass it would be hilariously wrong) and stick to it .

Conversely, if Player A was simply able to buy ISK directly from CCP then all that activity would not take place. In addition, it is quite possible that Player B simply wouldn't be playing, as for many people, being able to play for free is all that keeps them subscribed. Even if they kept their mains going, the number of "ISK making alts" would plummet, as the Player B's partly have them to pay for PLEX. So Player C cant buy his faction ammo from B, sell his stuff at Jita to B, gank B's ratting Drake or do whatever other interaction might take place, or at least has less opportunity to do so. Player interaction is reduced, player population is reduced, gameplay is reduced.

Additionally, because the amount of ISK you can buy is limited by the amount of ISK that other players are willing to spend on PLEX, there's a hard cap on how much ISK you can buy this way. It's a pretty high cap, but it's there. If CCP sold ISK directly, they'd sell it at the rate which maximised the amount of money people give them, which obviously means that they'd have every incentive to sell it for ever cheaper prices, since they can spawn as much as they want for free. Hello galloping inflation!

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
Implament skillpoints, restats and usefull items and some of that money cake could be yours Razz


Skill points: Buy PLEX, Sell PLEX, Get character

Respecs: Will probably resurface

Useful Items: Buy PLEX, Sell PLEX, get useful items off market.

Now go away pathetic troll

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:06:00 - [17]
 

It's even worse if CCP directly sell items; not only are all the effects above seen, but instead of A using his purchased ISK to buy stuff, supporting all the supply chains that create ships, modules, etc, he bypasses all that and just gets an item magically appearing in his Hangar instead. Although from A's immediate point of view, he doesn't see a whole lot of difference, suddenly EVE has a great deal of things less to do, and less to care about. Why make ISK when the best ships are in the NEX store? Why do invention when the best modules are in the NEX store? Why run missions when the best ammo and implants are in the NEX store? Why run plexes when Y- and Z-type stuff is in the NEX store? Why mine? Why run a moon?

And when there's less point doing all of those things, then why bother to PvP about them anyway? EVE devolves towards being a shallow, mindless shooter.

In conclusion: the OP is an idiot.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.



This guy understands it. My point is if the NEX will only sell useless crap then may as well jsut close it down and save the hastle.

However i do genuinly believe eve is headed towards a F2P modle in the future


He doesnt understand it, and neither do you. That PLEX was generated by someone - in game - earning that ISK, that carrier was built by someone - in game - by players harvesting the minerals, buying the Blue Prints, manufacturing the components, fuel the POS etc etc etc.

C.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:11:00 - [19]
 

a small circle keep revolving around the non existing story.

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cailais


He doesnt understand it, and neither do you. That PLEX was generated by someone - in game - earning that ISK, that carrier was built by someone - in game - by players harvesting the minerals, buying the Blue Prints, manufacturing the components, fuel the POS etc etc etc.

C.



No, seems some posters missed that I said nothing about player interaction and RMT. I wasn't trying to make an all encompassing argument that RMT is good and PLEX proves it. I just wanted to point out the "selling power" worries about the NEX is silly.

I do agree with some of the points made btw. I'm not anti-PLEX. I purchase at least 1 a month with isk.

My point boiled down is "If you're throwing a hissy fit about the NEX and selling power, you missed the boat." That's it. NEX sells jewelry and clothes. PLEX buys everything. Yes through a route that involves other players but, the end result to the buyer and anyone they blow up with the new shinyis the same. (Assuming of course one day there is an option to blow people up with a NEX item.)

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:19:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dane El
That's just one example. Consider this one. Two corps go to war. They're evenly matched in every way and really get after it blowing up tons of ship. Both corps run low on ISK. One buys a bunch of PLEX and restocks. The other ships down to cheap T1 fits and gets roflstomped. How is that OK to the anti-RMT crowd?


because even though the losing corporation got stomped, the ships that were purchased (by either side) were all generated through the efforts of other players. That's OK.

Now, if they "bought a bunch of PLEX" and got ships from the NeX (i.e. zero player interaction...) that's a bad thing.

saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Dane El
That's just one example. Consider this one. Two corps go to war. They're evenly matched in every way and really get after it blowing up tons of ship. Both corps run low on ISK. One buys a bunch of PLEX and restocks. The other ships down to cheap T1 fits and gets roflstomped. How is that OK to the anti-RMT crowd?


because even though the losing corporation got stomped, the ships that were purchased (by either side) were all generated through the efforts of other players. That's OK.

Now, if they "bought a bunch of PLEX" and got ships from the NeX (i.e. zero player interaction...) that's a bad thing.



bringing you back on track here..... you sell plex in game for ISK 380mil las time i checked..... so you can still buy ships with plex by turning into isk then buying from market.


Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:37:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Dane El
That's just one example. Consider this one. Two corps go to war. They're evenly matched in every way and really get after it blowing up tons of ship. Both corps run low on ISK. One buys a bunch of PLEX and restocks. The other ships down to cheap T1 fits and gets roflstomped. How is that OK to the anti-RMT crowd?


because even though the losing corporation got stomped, the ships that were purchased (by either side) were all generated through the efforts of other players. That's OK.

Now, if they "bought a bunch of PLEX" and got ships from the NeX (i.e. zero player interaction...) that's a bad thing.



bringing you back on track here..... you sell plex in game for ISK 380mil las time i checked..... so you can still buy ships with plex by turning into isk then buying from market.




that's the key point. buying from the market means other PLAYERS were involved.

Plex -> ISK (obtained by other players) -> stuff (built by other players) is OK.

PLEX -> AUR (generated by CCP) -> stuff (generated by CCP) is bad.


no player involvement for stuff = bad news. It'll make the unsubs and protests from the announcement of the NeX store look positively civil

Valtis Thermalion
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:59:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Lots of people are still unironically asking this question. "Why the hate for power MTs when PLEX are already power MTs?"

Think about what happens with the PLEX transaction. The originating player buys a GTC from CCP or some other retailer and redeems it into 2 PLEX. At this point CCP count their product obligation as fulfilled; the player has receive what he has paid for, regardless of what happens to it in the future. So far, this is pretty much identical to any other MT: gief publisher monies = can haz in-game itemz. But what can you actually do with your PLEX?

Well first you can add it on to your own account, which enables you to play the game for another 30 days. Of course this isn't really a MT in any way that people care about, just a slightly roundabout way to pay a subscription, but I presume we can agree that this promotes gameplay, insofar as it means that the original purchaser will play EVE for +30 days.

Secondly, you can sell it to another player for ISK. This is where it gets interesting, and where it starts to look like RMT and so forth. The most important difference is that the ISK exchange is between two players, not between a player and CCP. This sounds too obvious and trivial to be worth mentioning, but so many people don't seem to understand how important this subtle difference is. Player A sells a PLEX to player B for 400M ISK. (In and of itself, this is a player interaction just like any other market trade, BTW) The amount of ISK ingame stays the same. The ISK that player A receives, he receives apparently without doing any work for it, but the important thing is that work was done for that ISK. So player B had to do missions, convert LP, play the Jita market, risk his ship ratting, run a research POS and sell BPCs or do whatever other activity he engaged in to raise that 400M ISK. If Player A wasn't lazy or time-restricted or whatever other reason he'd rather pay $17.50 than make 400M for himself, he would have done all those activities. As it is, Player B did it on his behalf, but those activities still had to take place, with all the normal implications for wider interaction with the EVE economy and community. To the rest of EVE there is no functional difference between player A selling a PLEX to player B, and player A using his ISK making alt A2 to make 400M.

Additionally, the value received is determined directly by player supply and demand. The amount of ISK you can get for your $17.50 is always dynamically set to exactly what the EVE playerbase as a whole thinks it should be. If CCP sold ISK directly, they'd pick a value (and you can bet your ass it would be hilariously wrong) and stick to it .

Conversely, if Player A was simply able to buy ISK directly from CCP then all that activity would not take place. In addition, it is quite possible that Player B simply wouldn't be playing, as for many people, being able to play for free is all that keeps them subscribed. Even if they kept their mains going, the number of "ISK making alts" would plummet, as the Player B's partly have them to pay for PLEX. So Player C cant buy his faction ammo from B, sell his stuff at Jita to B, gank B's ratting Drake or do whatever other interaction might take place, or at least has less opportunity to do so. Player interaction is reduced, player population is reduced, gameplay is reduced.

Additionally, because the amount of ISK you can buy is limited by the amount of ISK that other players are willing to spend on PLEX, there's a hard cap on how much ISK you can buy this way. It's a pretty high cap, but it's there. If CCP sold ISK directly, they'd sell it at the rate which maximised the amount of money people give them, which obviously means that they'd have every incentive to sell it for ever cheaper prices, since they can spawn as much as they want for free. Hello galloping inflation!


Quoting this because I was about to write something similar and because he is absolutely right.

Dane El
Posted - 2011.08.28 16:06:00 - [25]
 

You're still making a different argument than the one I said was stupid. I see how PLEX is superior to the NEX in stimulating player interaction. I never claimed it wasn't. I'm saying those threatening to quit if the NEX store turns Eve into Pay to Win game missed their boat. Eve already is Pay to Win via the PLEX system. I made no other claims.

I find it a little hilarious that you're completely fine with a hypothetical war where one side buys their way to victory with PLEX but buying a monocle from CCP is the death of Eve.

Cadet Wiggin
Posted - 2011.08.28 16:56:00 - [26]
 

Flagging this topic for excessive troll feeding....You kids bored?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.28 17:05:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.
…you mean aside from the fact that the PLEX system isn't MT and is (or was, until recently) completely economy neutral, whereas the NeX carries the threat of being the exact opposite.

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2011.08.28 17:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dane El
That's just one example. Consider this one. Two corps go to war. They're evenly matched in every way and really get after it blowing up tons of ship. Both corps run low on ISK. One buys a bunch of PLEX and restocks. The other ships down to cheap T1 fits and gets roflstomped. How is that OK to the anti-RMT crowd?


A bunch of PLEX is a bit of an understatement. They would have to sell a CRAPTON of PLEX for that scenario to be realistic. They would have to sell to highest bidder VS lowest sell price -1 because they would need ISK fast if it should be used to protect their infrastructure. Talking about BS class, and like 20 players, you would need about 30 to 40 PLEX' in the T1 scenario .. double that for T2. I doubt many people would invest that kinda cash in the game on a regular basis.

Also, your scenario takes off with equal wallet size, and runs on the assumption that neither has a decent infrastructure to keep the ISK comming. So it's borked to start with.

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.08.28 17:30:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
Originally by: Dane El
It is interesting that we have huge outrage generated by the NEX, which sells nothing but vanity items so far, while the PLEX system, which will allow you to buy virtually anything in the game, has been around for a while and is accepted.

This "no RMT" campaign appears doomed because you missed when the fight actually took place. Once CCP introduced PLEX and GTC, they won. Pay to Win is already implemented and accepted by the community. You're fighting over monocles and boots while I could go out and buy a carrier and a pilot capable of flying it with $ right now if I so desired.



This guy understands it. My point is if the NEX will only sell useless crap then may as well jsut close it down and save the hastle.

However i do genuinly believe eve is headed towards a F2P modle in the future


If eve becomes f2p run and hide -> alt accounts unlimited

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.28 17:33:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Rhinanna
And lose 5x or more that money from other players quitting the now Pay to Win game


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