open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked Scanning with probes
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Author Topic

Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:38:00 - [1]
 

Well where do I start, I have spent the last week using probes to scan out mission runners.

At first with limited skills I did ok I regularly found lvl 4 mission runners and had lots of fun. As my skills developed I started to find it harder and harder to locate these mission runners. There were high points and very low points. What I mean by that is there were times when I could scan a ship down in seconds and other times when I could spent up to 2 hrs scanning and not be able to reduce my probes below 8au as I would lose any signals.

My scanning and probing skills are now well developed yet there are so many highs and lows to make it as random as doing the lottery with having more chance of winning the lottery on times. Why bother to have skills if it is all so dependant on pure luck. Ok you can improve your luck with more skills that I understand. But there are times where I can find ships in seconds and other times where I canít find a mate parked at a planet in a quiet system. There are times where a red circle has a stranger signal than a ship icon or a red bubble that produces nothing when investigated. I have lost a 93% signal when I reduce the au only to be rediscovered when the au factor is again enlarged. Then lost again when reduced??????

I know ships move but some missions take over 2 hours for some players to complete so they should be very easy to find, but alas they escape the probes some how.

All in all this is very very frustrating and letís face it a bit of a waste of time. For the pedantic amongst you yes I am doing it correctly as per the eve tutorial and as per all the you tube tutorials.

Why just why have this in the game when it is such a waste of time or am I missing the point and thatís the whole purpose of it.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:42:00 - [2]
 

If you lose the signature when you get lower then 8AU they either warped away or your doing it wrong

Owain GIyndwr
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:48:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Owain GIyndwr on 27/08/2011 17:48:41
your doing it wrong is not really an answer its just trolling

Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:50:00 - [4]
 

I can not see how that is possible I do it the same way each time some times I use small veriations if reducing fails just saying "your doing it wrong" after i said I am doing it as I am told to in all the verious tutorials means the tutorials are wrong.

I am looking for a genuin reason why here not worthless trolling. if you honestly have nothing to contribute you fail by spamming with trolling type answers. Please save them for the ones who really have little to cry about I genuinly feel there is a problem with this part of the game.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:00:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Xercodo on 27/08/2011 18:02:14
Well i will admit my experiences are with the static sites that don't move, but I've never had sites suddenly disappear unless the site actually despawned or I screwed up somewhere

to be sure I'll try scanning a few ppl in a nearby hub later today ^^

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:02:00 - [6]
 

There is a bug where this happens from time to time.
Sometimes just calling in all the probes and starting over fixes it.

or
More Probes (It will take the top 4 (or 3) and discard the rest)
Implants and rigs for scanning.
Max skills.
Sisters of EVE launcher and probes.

Anything you can do to increase the odds in your favor will reduce the odds of this happening.

Keep in mind deadspace is NOT supposed to be easy to scan.
If they are using a micro you can find them REAL fast.
Also scan for drones, sometimes they are easier to find then the ship.





Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:11:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 27/08/2011 18:13:28
Red sphere:
- you are hitting the target with only 1 probe
- red circle, you are hitting the target with only 2 probes.

It is not important how strong is the signal you get, what is important is that you need to hit it with all 4 probes. If you don't you will lose the target most of the time when resizing.
In that situation you shouldn't resize, you would move the probes till you hit the target will at least 3 of them and get 2 locations with the same designation, then you resize keeping the 2 locations within your new probing area. Better jet, reposition your probes till you get a single hit and then shrink your research area around that hit.

Originally by: Simetraz

Keep in mind deadspace is NOT supposed to be easy to scan.



Deadspace don't give protection anymore. It has been changed years ago.
/me thinks: EVE world is truly mad if I end helping a mission ninja. Rolling Eyes

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:40:00 - [8]
 

Also remember probes work ion three dimensions.. you might be getting a hit at the vertical edge of the probe, then when you reduce it's out of range. Move your camera around some.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:47:00 - [9]
 


The only time this happens to me is if I reduce the scan range by more than one magnitude. Dropping from 32 to 4 AU, regardless the size of the sig, will cause a loss of the hit about 20% of the time and I have to back up to 16.


Vindictive Itch
Posted - 2011.08.27 20:34:00 - [10]
 

Scanning things down is a helluva sweet
way to pass the time,I like to go to low sec and scan
down abandoned fighters.

The way i learned was by using 5 probes in the same formation that you'd see the number 5 side on a set of Dice

the one in the middle never moves except size wise
and the outer 4 also come
closer to the middle as your shrinking probe size down

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.27 23:25:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Ryhss on 27/08/2011 23:25:25
Originally by: Mr TickIe
I can not see how that is possible I do it the same way each time some times I use small veriations if reducing fails just saying "your doing it wrong" after i said I am doing it as I am told to in all the verious tutorials means the tutorials are wrong.

I am looking for a genuin reason why here not worthless trolling. if you honestly have nothing to contribute you fail by spamming with trolling type answers. Please save them for the ones who really have little to cry about I genuinly feel there is a problem with this part of the game.
You've come to the wrong place for genuine answers. The Eve O forums are 99% trolls. I have no answer only because I don't probe at all.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.08.27 23:31:00 - [12]
 

Mission runners can be tough, since they can be done within a few minutes in certain missions. To give yourself a headstart, sit outside the station and watch where they warp. Then use the directional scanner to narrow down a rough distance and you get yourself a ballpark area for your probes.

Also, if you're doing it in guristas space people might be using eccm (dunno if people bother for missions), that will make them harder to scan out.

Crowded systems can be a pain due to so many results, practice scanning out sites in lesser populated systems, then move on to mission hubs once you're confident you can recognise results that are "on the edge" rather than solid results.

Good luck.


Monstress
Posted - 2011.08.28 00:11:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Monstress on 28/08/2011 00:12:53
I imagine the reason you have easier success with certain ships vs others is because certain ships like marauders have a very low sensor strength and a generally slightly larger signature radius, making them very easy to probe.

One thing to note is that a recent change to the probing system now allows more than four probes to contribute to the results of a scan. So try launching more probes and go again.

Edit: Also note that probing a ship inside deadspace is 100x more difficult than probing a ship in normal space.

Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:01:00 - [14]
 

Thank you all for the good advice I have taken it all on board and it has made a difference.

However the results still seem to be very hit and miss, I have been making note of the signal number to make sure i am tracking the same one. One of the things I am doing to try to ensure a better result is to reduce the size of the over lap at least twice before reducing the AY size, but alass the results are still very much hit and miss.

for instance a typical event. I run down a signal from 32 au throught 16 au to 8 au. At 8 au with 5 probes centerd on the signal with a 50% over lap in the middle I again locate the signal I again center on the signal and reduce the over lap down to 30% still at 8au, I scan and lose the signal. I again enlarge the over lap to arund 50% scan and refind the same signal. I again center and reduce the over lap to 40% and again lose the signal, enlarge to a 50% over lap again Center and refind it again. I simply can not locat the signal again below a 50% over lap at 8 au this is so frustrating The ship signal has not moved away it is clearly still there but for the love of god I can not narrow it down any further.

Another time may be moments later I'll be chasing down a signal and suddenly get a random 100% signal at 4 AU on a large over lap. It just baffles me and I can not see how this could produce such random results.

The pure frustration that comes with scanning and probing is enough to drive a person man into a huge rage.

Another thing that is driving me nuts is a friend has started scanning and probing with very poor skills and he can find a ship in moments and it was I who showed him how to do it......ArrrrrrrrrSurprised

Lessoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lessoroz on 30/08/2011 17:03:54
Edited by: Lessoroz on 30/08/2011 17:03:35
Originally by: Owain GIyndwr
Edited by: Owain GIyndwr on 27/08/2011 17:48:41
your doing it wrong is not really an answer its just trolling


Learn what trolling means FFS. Calling someone a troll now is like calling someone a na zi in the old days to avoid an logical argument in defense.

Quote:


for instance a typical event. I run down a signal from 32 au throught 16 au to 8 au. At 8 au with 5 probes centerd on the signal with a 50% over lap in the middle I again locate the signal I again center on the signal and reduce the over lap down to 30% still at 8au, I scan and lose the signal. I again enlarge the over lap to arund 50% scan and refind the same signal. I again center and reduce the over lap to 40% and again lose the signal, enlarge to a 50% over lap again Center and refind it again. I simply can not locat the signal again below a 50% over lap at 8 au this is so frustrating The ship signal has not moved away it is clearly still there but for the love of god I can not narrow it down any further.


The ship may be fit specifically to make probing hard. The sensor strength/sig radius formula is still in effect though it's impossible to be completely unprobebable but most properly fit T3s or even a covert ops requires 6 sisters probes+max skills+1 bil in implants(virtues) to lock.

Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:10:00 - [16]
 

nice troll retortRazz

Then you compleatly go off on a random point about scanning covert ops ships sheesh. Rolling Eyes in a system with 70+ mission runners do you think they all have some kind of anti scanning devices on come on for gawd sake. Please dont bring this down to the usual trolling argument ending in "can I has your stuff." I want answers here real answwers as i think this part of the game is borked and some thing should be done about it.


Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:13:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 30/08/2011 17:15:58
Originally by: Mr TickIe
Well where do I start, I have spent the last week using probes to scan out mission runners.

At first with limited skills I did ok I regularly found lvl 4 mission runners and had lots of fun. As my skills developed I started to find it harder and harder to locate these mission runners. There were high points and very low points. What I mean by that is there were times when I could scan a ship down in seconds and other times when I could spent up to 2 hrs scanning and not be able to reduce my probes below 8au as I would lose any signals.

My scanning and probing skills are now well developed yet there are so many highs and lows to make it as random as doing the lottery with having more chance of winning the lottery on times. Why bother to have skills if it is all so dependant on pure luck. Ok you can improve your luck with more skills that I understand. But there are times where I can find ships in seconds and other times where I canít find a mate parked at a planet in a quiet system. There are times where a red circle has a stranger signal than a ship icon or a red bubble that produces nothing when investigated. I have lost a 93% signal when I reduce the au only to be rediscovered when the au factor is again enlarged. Then lost again when reduced??????

I know ships move but some missions take over 2 hours for some players to complete so they should be very easy to find, but alas they escape the probes some how.

All in all this is very very frustrating and letís face it a bit of a waste of time. For the pedantic amongst you yes I am doing it correctly as per the eve tutorial and as per all the you tube tutorials.

Why just why have this in the game when it is such a waste of time or am I missing the point and thatís the whole purpose of it.



Keeping in mind that the ships you are tracking don't want to be found and they may randomly cloak etc, it sounds to me like when you step down to the next AU you are repositioning your probes too close to the last target position or you are letting your upper/lower probes get out of range.

Quote:
I want answers here real answwers as i think this part of the game is borked and some thing should be done about..


It works for the rest of us, not borked, something you are doing.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:15:00 - [18]
 

Tickle, can you handle six probes? If so, here's what works well for me...

Launch all six. Drag all your ranges to 32AU. Drag four probes out to the cardinal points (N, S, E, W) leaving two in the middle, forming a + sign. Now, take one of the two in the middle and drop the range to 16AU forming an inner sphere. Using the arrows only, move the outer four probes so their range touches the furthest side of the inner probe's range. Makes a lovely pattern. Scan.

Find a ship? Good. Now, drag the entire formation (Shift + Drag) as is so it's centered on the ship. Shift + Drag all the probe ranges in by 1 to 16AU. Drag one of the two center probes down to 8AU. Using Alt + Drag, drag the four outer probes (arrows only again) so that their edges again meet the far side of the inner sphere. Rotate your camera angle 90 degrees to make sure you're centered on your target. Scan. Rinse, repeat until 100%.

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:19:00 - [19]
 

No, OP, just no. Nothing is borked.
I scan down mission runners regularly, i am one of the minority that do it just for the salvage so's i can make some rigs. It's a relaxing and satisfying thing to do.
Sounds like you need better skills and hardware, as well as technique. I can scan down a ship in a minute and a half using 6 probes. Been doing it for months.

PS it sounds like you are doing it for TEH TEARZ so any requests for help in this simple matter, or flinching at trolling, deserves the most corrosive derision and ridicule.

Contract all your stuff to me and ask God to tell you to stop wasting everybody's time.


Claire Diamond
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:29:00 - [20]
 

All your probes count now, that was changed in the last patch. In fact probing mechanics were completely redone to make previously unscannable ships scannable

I use a 7-probe pattern in a diamond shape to find my, um, friends

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:34:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 17:34:20
Quote:
Why bother to have skills if it is all so dependant on pure luck.


Confused it's not dependant on "pure" luck; if you took all the luck factors out of scanning it would be too powerful..too boring..and unrealistic. If you are serious about scanning you'll max the skills and ship fits.. if not, you'll deal with the issues inherent in scanning as a hobbist.


Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Chopper Rollins
Contract all your stuff to me and ask God to tell you to stop wasting everybody's time.



See Slavery works! A Minmatar invoking God to help a poor soul..it's down right touching.

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.30 18:03:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Originally by: Chopper Rollins
Contract all your stuff to me and ask God to tell you to stop wasting everybody's time.



See Slavery works! A Minmatar invoking God to help a poor soul..it's down right touching.


I see you've discovered the ultimate way to be a douchebag in eve. Hardcore roleplaying. Let's keep it to ourselves though, ok? There's some seriously warped critters playing eve and i'd rather they wasted their time griefing and ganking. Imagine if they all dropped half-baked simpleton RP junk like that all the time. Horrible, horrible.

@ OP: get better at scanning with probes.


Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:42:00 - [24]
 

only a matter of time before some jerk turnes it into a "can I has your stuff" thread.

Yes I can use 6 probes and yes it ****s up even with 6 probes.

Tonight I've had a good night had 5 or 6 quick contacts invaded lots of missions popped lots of rats collected lots of salvage.

Yet at the end I could not scan any thing lower than 16au. It is not a case of doing it wrong as I allways do it the same way it MUST have a randome element to it. I even lost a signal expended rediscoverd it and then narrowed it down so there is some thing CCP is not telling us about this.

One thing I will say usualy the signal you are closing in on will offten show two resulting signals making it a 50-50 chance of finding it.

Thanks to every one who offerd advice it helped alot.

Mr TickIe
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 17:34:20
Quote:
Why bother to have skills if it is all so dependant on pure luck.


Confused it's not dependant on "pure" luck; if you took all the luck factors out of scanning it would be too powerful..too boring..and unrealistic. If you are serious about scanning you'll max the skills and ship fits.. if not, you'll deal with the issues inherent in scanning as a hobbist.




You must of not read the part above where I say of how easy it was with very few skills and how progressivly harder it became as my skills became more developed. currently doing poinpointing lvl 4 so the skills are getting there so are you saying don't bopthert to scan untill all your skills are maxed out as it is a waste of time up untill that pointQuestion

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:07:00 - [26]
 

What you are describing happens to me when I probe "unprobeable" ship on my crappy skilled character without probe implants, not sure why but maybe the low strength hit coupled with high deviation. Doesn't happen on my max skilled prober with virtues + 10% hardwires.

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:19:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Mr TickIe


One thing I will say usualy the signal you are closing in on will offten show two resulting signals making it a 50-50 chance of finding it.




I regret answering this, because you are a bit of an obnoxious ******, and someone has already told you whats happening, but you seem unaware of the vertical plane. If you have 2 signals like this, one is at the top of the scan circle, one at the bottom. The reason you are losing your signal when you reduce range, is because the ship may be above or below the plane your probes are on. Also, you are an idiot.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.31 18:26:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Mr TickIe
Thank you all for the good advice I have taken it all on board and it has made a difference.

However the results still seem to be very hit and miss, I have been making note of the signal number to make sure i am tracking the same one. One of the things I am doing to try to ensure a better result is to reduce the size of the over lap at least twice before reducing the AY size, but alass the results are still very much hit and miss.

for instance a typical event. I run down a signal from 32 au throught 16 au to 8 au. At 8 au with 5 probes centerd on the signal with a 50% over lap in the middle I again locate the signal I again center on the signal and reduce the over lap down to 30% still at 8au, I scan and lose the signal. I again enlarge the over lap to arund 50% scan and refind the same signal. I again center and reduce the over lap to 40% and again lose the signal, enlarge to a 50% over lap again Center and refind it again. I simply can not locat the signal again below a 50% over lap at 8 au this is so frustrating The ship signal has not moved away it is clearly still there but for the love of god I can not narrow it down any further.

Another time may be moments later I'll be chasing down a signal and suddenly get a random 100% signal at 4 AU on a large over lap. It just baffles me and I can not see how this could produce such random results.

The pure frustration that comes with scanning and probing is enough to drive a person man into a huge rage.

Another thing that is driving me nuts is a friend has started scanning and probing with very poor skills and he can find a ship in moments and it was I who showed him how to do it......ArrrrrrrrrSurprised



What is the signal strength before you reduce the area? It give you the kind of signal you are chasing?

If you are filtering for ships when the signal strength is under a certain value the probes consider every kind of target as a signal, it don't know if in reality they are anomalies, radar sites, drones, ecc. or ships.
When they get above that level it begin to differentiate the signals. So if you were filtering for ships and the signal you were picking was from a drone as soon as the signal is strong enough to identify the kind of target you are probing the filter remove it from your list of detected signals as it isn't what you are searching for.

If you lose signal that way try removing your filters. Almost certainly you will discover you were chasing something different from a ship.


 

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only