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Olyan fore Hilanen
Posted - 2011.08.27 12:01:00 - [1]
 


Anyone have a typical nidhoggur triage fit that he wouldnt mind to share?
I have tried couple of variations of them and it always comes up with the same
resault; very cap fragile

Any suggestion would be appreciated :)

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.27 13:45:00 - [2]
 

This is just EFT whoring, as I have only flown (and have perfect skills for) triage Archon and Thanatos (they are very similar, nid is basically like a thanny with less base cap (easier to neut out), less DPS, more reps, and harder to fit the highs). Capacitor-wise, remember, they are shooting you or what you need to rep, it is that breaking you need to worry about. Also, if they do split, make sure to manage your capacitor by not repping yourself to full or your charges to full.

Barely Fits:
[Nidhoggur, Self Armor Remote Shields]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Or

Only Two Remote Armor:
[Nidhoggur, Self Armor Remote Armor]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Easy to neut out, less cap regen, slightly higher tank, only 2x shield rr, I suggest the armor self with remote shields unless you only have one type of command ship or t3 booster if you want to do remote shields. (Note: I am not too sure on this fit, as I only fly armor tanking caps, also, FUUUUUU CPU)
[Nidhoggur, Self Shields Remote Shields (Capacitor flux)]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Triage Module I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Actually, I know CPR reduce tank, but this looks a bit better:
[Nidhoggur, Self Shields Remote Shields (CPR)]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pith C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Triage Module I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Anyways...



Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.27 13:56:00 - [3]
 

This one, however, I am happiest with, allows you to bump up shields in down times and maybe keep that drake pilot who thinks he should bring his drake to an armor fleet alive:
[Nidhoggur, Self Shields Remote Armor + Shields]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Triage Module I
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

If you are worried about capacitor on any of these, drop an EANM or the second shield boost amp.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.27 16:17:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Aamrr on 27/08/2011 16:20:35
The Nidhoggur doesn't really have the powergrid to armor tank, and it doesn't have the CPU to shield tank. Depending on your circumstance, it may be easier to mix your local and remote tank types.

If you're supporting an armor gang, consider throwing on a local shield booster for your tank instead. It's certainly not ideal, but it's an option.

Edit: You'd be better off with an Archon, though.

[Nidhoggur, ItCouldWork]

3x Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Large Plasma Smartbomb II
Triage Module I

Capital Shield Booster I
2x Invulnerability Field II
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II

6x Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.08.27 16:48:00 - [5]
 

I've run a few different fits with it but this one seems to work best:

[Nidhoggur, Triage armor]
Capital Armor Repairer I
Capital Armor Repairer I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Triage Module I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

You can replace the two armor RR with shield xfers instead, but it lacks the grid/cpu for more than 2x capital RR mods in the highs regardless of which way you go. Alternatively you can shield tank it and free up some PG at the expense of CPU. If you go the second route, you can squeeze on 3x armor RR but cannot fit 3x or even just 2x shield xfers. It runs out of CPU at just one so you'd end up with 2x empty high slots. In any case, here's the second fit:

[Nidhoggur, Triage Shield]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Capital Shield Booster I
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Triage Module I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Both fits have similar cap recharge and tanks. The armor is ever so slightly tougher with all lvl5 skills but if you have capital repair systems 4 (basically everyone) then there is no real difference between them. I like armor better because it means I only need a legion booster in fleet, shield demands the presence of a legion and a tengu. Sometimes that works fine, but it's an annoyance and a needless complication regardless. Obviously if you need shield logi then you're going to end up wanting both boosters anyways. But that doesn't come up too often.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:23:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Aamrr on 27/08/2011 20:16:11
Edited by: Aamrr on 27/08/2011 17:24:21
Originally by: King Rothgar
[Nidhoggur, Triage Shield]
Capacitor Power Relay II

Capital Shield Booster I


Even ignoring the rest of this post, I shouldn't be seeing these two modules together. The capacitor power relay II has a larger shield boost penalty than the cheaper and equally effective meta-4 module, and consumes more CPU on a particularly CPU constrained ship. Swap those for meta-4's and you might have a nice fit. But there's no reason to ever fit those two modules together.

Edit: You should also re-evaluate your defensive modules. An extra shield boost amplifier does more to help your tank than that Heat Dissipation Amplifier does. Depending on whether or not you have gang links, you may want to swap the photon for another invuln, too.

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.27 21:05:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
Edited by: Aamrr on 27/08/2011 20:16:11
Edited by: Aamrr on 27/08/2011 17:24:21
Originally by: King Rothgar
[Nidhoggur, Triage Shield]
Capacitor Power Relay II

Capital Shield Booster I


Even ignoring the rest of this post, I shouldn't be seeing these two modules together. The capacitor power relay II has a larger shield boost penalty than the cheaper and equally effective meta-4 module, and consumes more CPU on a particularly CPU constrained ship. Swap those for meta-4's and you might have a nice fit. But there's no reason to ever fit those two modules together.

Edit: You should also re-evaluate your defensive modules. An extra shield boost amplifier does more to help your tank than that Heat Dissipation Amplifier does. Depending on whether or not you have gang links, you may want to swap the photon for another invuln, too.


You are aware the penalty on the relays is stacking penalized?


Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.27 21:45:00 - [8]
 

I'm absolutely aware. I'm also distinctly aware that swapping those capacitor power relays will give you a 3.16% stronger tank for no cost at all. There's no reason you should be using an inferior module -- particularly when I'm seeing faction mods and incursion reps on these ships.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.27 23:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
I'm absolutely aware. I'm also distinctly aware that swapping those capacitor power relays will give you a 3.16% stronger tank for no cost at all. There's no reason you should be using an inferior module -- particularly when I'm seeing faction mods and incursion reps on these ships.


Actually, the incursion reps (and high isk cost that you may or may not feel is justified, but what the hell, I live in a WH and wont get 1-shot by some titan or dropped by a couple SCs) were on my fits (with True Sansha Capacitor Power Relays, which give better cap with the penalty of the meta 4 modules) and not King's fits.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.28 01:20:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Aamrr on 28/08/2011 01:32:07
That's fine. I wasn't criticizing your fits, or indeed even talking to you at all. I was talking to King, and I mean precisely what I said -- I should not see T2 CPRs and active shield tanks in the same fitting.

I referenced the faction/incursion equipment present in this thread as context for the importance of using quality modules, but I wasn't speaking about any of your carriers specifically. As far as those modules go, I think they're perfectly reasonable for wormhole space, but you'd be idiotic to suggest any serious k-space inhabitant ever use them -- at least until the Winter Holiday Expansion Nerf. WHEN?! Soon(tm).

Edit: It occurs to me that I may seem to be contradicting myself by stressing the importance of performance as I criticize faction fit k-space carriers. What I'm really attempting to achieve here is cost-effectiveness. Meta-4 CPRs offer superior performance at basically equivalent price. Similarly, drugs offer significantly improved performance at only moderate cost.

By contrast, deadspace hardeners, faction CPRs and meta-2 capital modules are either far too expensive, offer too little performance, or both.

Edit2: Capacitor flux coils? Seriously?! As if Nidhoggurs weren't already easy to neut out...

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.28 02:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
Edited by: Aamrr on 28/08/2011 01:32:07
That's fine. I wasn't criticizing your fits, or indeed even talking to you at all. I was talking to King, and I mean precisely what I said -- I should not see T2 CPRs and active shield tanks in the same fitting.

I referenced the faction/incursion equipment present in this thread as context for the importance of using quality modules, but I wasn't speaking about any of your carriers specifically. As far as those modules go, I think they're perfectly reasonable for wormhole space, but you'd be idiotic to suggest any serious k-space inhabitant ever use them -- at least until the Winter Holiday Expansion Nerf. WHEN?! Soon(tm).

Edit: It occurs to me that I may seem to be contradicting myself by stressing the importance of performance as I criticize faction fit k-space carriers. What I'm really attempting to achieve here is cost-effectiveness. Meta-4 CPRs offer superior performance at basically equivalent price. Similarly, drugs offer significantly improved performance at only moderate cost.

By contrast, deadspace hardeners, faction CPRs and meta-2 capital modules are either far too expensive, offer too little performance, or both.

Edit2: Capacitor flux coils? Seriously?! As if Nidhoggurs weren't already easy to neut out...


You will notice where I realized that was a bad idea and posted the CPR fit right after it, probably should not have posted it at all, but the reasoning for switching to CPR was given.

God I can't wait for that expansion / nerf / second CQ / hopeful removal of nullsec local...

Actually, the state of nullsec has not been conducive to several-billion-isk capitals for a while sadly :(

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.28 08:49:00 - [12]
 

Most of the fittings you posted were a bit out of budget for anything in k-space, so I didn't really look at them. I figured if the OP was actually in w-space then he'd get something useful out of it.

As far as the WHEN(tm), I'm looking forward to it as much as you are. It'd be nice to be able to think of a capital ship as a long-term investment, instead of a pawn to be sacrificed for some dude with three times my skill points.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:56:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Demon Azrakel on 28/08/2011 14:00:50
Originally by: Aamrr
Most of the fittings you posted were a bit out of budget for anything in k-space, so I didn't really look at them. I figured if the OP was actually in w-space then he'd get something useful out of it.

As far as the WHEN(tm), I'm looking forward to it as much as you are. It'd be nice to be able to think of a capital ship as a long-term investment, instead of a pawn to be sacrificed for some dude with three times my skill points.


Ehh, SC pilots don't have that much more SP than carrier pilots, but being in an EVE universe where moving a capital fleet is quick and easy, and where everyone wants a capital kill in spite of the fact that they are relatively cheap ships when compared with SCs and Titans which blow them out of the water-physics vacuum. I would love to see jump range halved or quartered as a part of the expansion / nerf, otherwise, you are fooling yourself if you think it will be safe enough to use it solo for anything other than deep null PvE and w-space.


 

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