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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.25 23:39:00 - [1]
 

apparently there's some bug out where if u imitate warp and then are tackled, your ship will still warp away?

I just had a stealth bomber tackled with a 24km point, who claimed he had no warp stab's fitted, warp away.

A few others have said that they starting noticing this as well. Any word on if this really exists?

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.25 23:55:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Mystical Might on 25/08/2011 23:55:48
Confirming this.
Has been happening for two / three months now. CCP've just come up with the usual "Don't waste our times with petitions. File a bug report so we can ignore it and still feel good about ourselves". Annoying as **** to be honest, definetly not one of the better "Features" of EvE. Neutral.

Edit: Fixed the "File a bug report" wording. xD.



Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.25 23:56:00 - [3]
 

Is it rarely conditional or does it happen all the time?

If it's a conditional bug, it'd probably be incredibly hard to track down.

Riddick VinDiesel
Posted - 2011.08.25 23:58:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: riddick VinDiesel on 26/08/2011 00:01:52
Originally by: ShadowandLight
I just had a stealth bomber tackled with a 24km point, who claimed he had no warp stab's fitted, warp away.


Test Alliance Intel gathering, Best Gathering......Laughing

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.26 00:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Is it rarely conditional or does it happen all the time?

If it's a conditional bug, it'd probably be incredibly hard to track down.


I think it's just a pot-luck kind of thing. Maybe if they'd hit warp early enough, the point's done have effect. Just a theory there.

On another note, This is a bug mr. non believer. ;P. A corpmate and I had a drake warp off while pointed by both of us. We managed to track him down less than 20 seconds later to the place he'd warped to, and finished him off. He didn't have any stabs fitted, yet was able to warp off while double pointed (He hadn't initiated warp before he was pointed either, which could point towards points not being registered properly ingame?)

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.08.26 02:53:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
apparently there's some bug out where if u imitate warp and then are tackled, your ship will still warp away?

I just had a stealth bomber tackled with a 24km point, who claimed he had no warp stab's fitted, warp away.

A few others have said that they starting noticing this as well. Any word on if this really exists?


I am not aware of any way you can imitate warp...other than to warp.
What is a "u?"


Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:42:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ildryn

What is a "u?"



To be fair, it's hard to type on these tiny keypads computers have these days. Think of the productivity generated by dropping a few letters.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.08.26 07:05:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mystical Might
On another note, This is a bug mr. non believer. ;P. A corpmate and I had a drake warp off while pointed by both of us. We managed to track him down less than 20 seconds later to the place he'd warped to, and finished him off. He didn't have any stabs fitted, yet was able to warp off while double pointed (He hadn't initiated warp before he was pointed either, which could point towards points not being registered properly ingame?)


Confirmed, I also had ships warping away when I was pointing them. (Don't know if they had WCS fitted, but chances are low. Who fits drakes with wcs?)


Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.08.26 07:10:00 - [9]
 

I'm skeptical.

Sounds like a bunch of "me and my buddy thought we had points before this guy warped out"

who knows, maybe,

i think people would notice a bug like that pretty quickly. file a bug report


Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:02:00 - [10]
 

Ignore the doubting Thomas posters.

It exists, but the bug may be elsewhere

I was in a frigate (imp slicer)

I was shooting a target 50+ away, then a rapier decloaked 40 from me, so I initiated warp.

12 seconds later I saw a message flash up that they had scrambled me.

I was about 4 AU away at that time according to my screen.

Both of us confused.

I never wcs my ship (even when there were zero penalties)

It's real "I was there (but not *there* getting tackled because I was actually somewhere else)"




Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:06:00 - [11]
 

Isn't this the same bug that has been plaguing pods who couldn't warp out before being podded?

I think the explanation there was something about orders and stacks being implemented and basicly saying, "your out of luck". In this case however, you could be more lucky.

XGS Crimson
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:11:00 - [12]
 

It's probably related to server lag.

I've had a few instances of locking a target that is attempting to warp, getting the lock on them and then activating the scram and it not going through until just after they warp.. by which time it's too late.

I've also had instances where I should NOT have escaped from a gate camp in a large ship like a battlecruiser, only to be yellow boxed and then make it into warp, something tells me there is a seconds worth of server lag between locking the target and the modules activating, as if the modules activate on the second rather than the mil of a second, probably to reduce server lag.. it would make sense, but it also has a considerable impact on combat.

Cebraio
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:55:00 - [13]
 

Probably related to this.

I didn't read that article again and I might be referring to a different one, but some time back I read a nice devblog about how the server handles the client requests.

It basically said that it is luck if you get the point or if he manages to warp. Luck based on how the server handles the requests that came up more or less synchronously.

So your client thinks you have the lock and point, but meanwhile the server decides otherwise and lets him fly.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:03:00 - [14]
 

Have you submitted a bug report? Submitting these with as much detail as possible would really help teams who are trying to replicate these types of issues.

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:30:00 - [15]
 

There are two other threads about this same bug, but they are a couple of weeks old and I can't easily dig them up. The point being, this is an actual problem reported independently by multiple sources but only recently (so probably due to a patch).

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mystical Might
Edited by: Mystical Might on 25/08/2011 23:55:48
Confirming this.
Has been happening for two / three months now. CCP've just come up with the usual "Don't waste our times with petitions. File a bug report so we can ignore it and still feel good about ourselves". Annoying as **** to be honest, definetly not one of the better "Features" of EvE. Neutral.

Edit: Fixed the "File a bug report" wording. xD.





Considering most bug reports consist of:

"this happened, and it's f---ing bull---- and it's your crappy games fault, and don't try to tell me its lag my computer is awesome and i have a great connection FIX IT NOW"

and provide zero relevant information, is it any wonder these things take time to nail down? When they say you need to provide details, that means at a minimum:

location, both solar system and nearest object
time, down to the closest minute
your ship fitting, the exact modules used
combat data, how far away you were, how fast you and your target were moving
as specific as possible the sequence of events and actions you made leading up to the bug

"I turned on my warp scrambler but he still got away" is not helpful.

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:40:00 - [17]
 


Not a bug when working as intended, HTFU.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:46:00 - [18]
 

Its the new carbon UI...

Similar bugs have happened to me and my corp m8s. We all getting some sort of desyncronisation bug every now and then.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:51:00 - [19]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493487&page=1#8

notice that was locked for being over 3 months old.

same thing still hapeneing.


nubile slave
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:33:00 - [20]
 

If a Testie shats in the woods, would anyone care?

Besides, Testies not being able to tackle is a part of your recruiting pledge isn't it?


Arnov Karsoth
Squirrel Power
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:45:00 - [21]
 

it also happens to other modules now and then.
they seem to work and they suck cap but they are not giving the effect they should.

sometimes afterburner and ive seen the shieldbooster work without actually giving shield hitpoints

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.27 20:12:00 - [22]
 

Heres a video from my friend Bubanni showing this problem as well after a gate jump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VtsnhAomJs

Zeek Muaka
Ded End Blasting Company
Ded End Conglomerates
Posted - 2011.08.27 20:17:00 - [23]
 

Confirming this, I was pointed by a Rapier and warped off anyways.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.27 21:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dorian Wylde
Originally by: Mystical Might
Edited by: Mystical Might on 25/08/2011 23:55:48
Confirming this.
Has been happening for two / three months now. CCP've just come up with the usual "Don't waste our times with petitions. File a bug report so we can ignore it and still feel good about ourselves". Annoying as **** to be honest, definetly not one of the better "Features" of EvE. Neutral.

Edit: Fixed the "File a bug report" wording. xD.





Considering most bug reports consist of:

"this happened, and it's f---ing bull---- and it's your crappy games fault, and don't try to tell me its lag my computer is awesome and i have a great connection FIX IT NOW"

and provide zero relevant information, is it any wonder these things take time to nail down? When they say you need to provide details, that means at a minimum:

location, both solar system and nearest object
time, down to the closest minute
your ship fitting, the exact modules used
combat data, how far away you were, how fast you and your target were moving
as specific as possible the sequence of events and actions you made leading up to the bug

"I turned on my warp scrambler but he still got away" is not helpful.


I wonder if CCP has an inside joke about that one of our favorite ways to slander them is "Our logs show nothing"? It would be fitting I think...

"Your bug report shows nothing..."

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.29 01:07:00 - [25]
 

Bump to CCP, look at the video and figure out what is happening... this bug is game breaking for PVP

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.29 01:10:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Have you submitted a bug report? Submitting these with as much detail as possible would really help teams who are trying to replicate these types of issues.


like a gazzilion times, but you guys are way too busy with kitty on-line to actually read them.

make me another pair of 1500 $ pants pls, we all want more of that

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.08.29 01:19:00 - [27]
 

Guys please realise that you are playing an internet game.

The phenomenon you are experiencing is due to latency.

You are given the distinct impression hat you have locked the ship but in reality he was away before the lock.

Perhaps if there has been a change in recent months its related to the feedback your client receives from server relating to lock status. Perhaps to save server time it gives you lock confirmation before checking in the target ship has warped.

tbh get more remosebo.

Bubanni
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.29 02:32:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Bubanni on 29/08/2011 02:37:57
Edited by: Bubanni on 29/08/2011 02:32:36
I bug reported this a while ago and petitioned it...

It's very easy to reproduce, but the latest response I got from CCP was "there is no problem" "it's by design"... but I can tell from experience, something changed a few months ago with one of the patches...

Now what really happens, you manage to get lock on a fast target after it jumps through a gate and begins to warp away... You just barely get lock before the frig hits 75% max speed, and lock is confirmed... you had your weapons/tackle prefired... Now this is where the problem kicks in... the modules dont activate on the same server tick/cycle as your lock did... so the frig has another 0.5/1 sec before it's actually tackled...

Let me show you... I recorded 2 videos myself while reproducing this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VtsnhAomJs <-- corp mate helping me reproduce it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPrAk0hXpgI <-- in average pvp situration

I found that a rifter fitted with 2 nanofibers will warp away from a instacane with 2-3 sensor boosters "most of the time" but where you had lock and the module didn't activate fast enough...

Can I just say this issue is something that annoys me VERY VERY much, as all I do in EVE is gank frigates... it's my thing, it's what I "enjoyed"... I had to step up to a cynabal with 3 sensor boosters and 3 scan res rigs... to catch a frigate on a gate before it warps!...

So yeah... the bug team hunters have been told about this... they just don't think its a bug... and they obviously don't realize something has changed... before incarna I remmember the modules activateing basicly on the same server tick as the lock... now its the second tick... they ought to activate at same time!!! Evil or Very Mad

Also! In the reproducing instance... my friend confirmed he was yellow boxed just before he warped...!!!

Also... shadowandlight, havn't you heard me whine about this in the corp?!... I been whining for weeks now...

Mufa Jaynara
Posted - 2011.08.29 02:35:00 - [29]
 

yeah I got to admit, after watching those videos, the issue is very clear... CCP do something!!!

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.29 08:10:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
apparently there's some bug out where if u imitate warp and then are tackled, your ship will still warp away?

I just had a stealth bomber tackled with a 24km point, who claimed he had no warp stab's fitted, warp away.

A few others have said that they starting noticing this as well. Any word on if this really exists?


Maybe the laws of physics are beginning to apply themselves despite the desperate cries of the limping PvP-ers. "I need my crutch! I need my crutch! Let me point you, dammit!"

The whole world's haunted!


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