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stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.25 23:07:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 25/08/2011 18:59:06

You customized your avatar when you made it.
You didn't pay (extra) for it.
You didn't complain.
Why did you not refer to it as space barbie when you played dress up then?
Why is it space barbie when the avatar customization came from the NEX sore?
Just wondering why the double standard.


Avatar/Space_Barbie had *potential*, thus folks were willing to give it a chance, even after waiting the proverbial "18 months." The delivered product was a) underwhelming, b) crude (CCP's avatar dev inexperience showed,) c) CCP failed to grasp the concept of *micro*-transactions, and finally d) folks lost faith that CCP could deliver cool and froody Avatar/SpaceBarbie content such as bars, walking in stations with other people, etc., which added to a powderkeg of frustration and waiting that was finally detonated with the potential introduction of "gold ammo."


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Fixed, good point, we did pay for the avatar customization. Or, for those who like to put too fine a point on it, "the right to access the server to play space barbie."


Plus opportunity costs. The effort CCP put into Avatar/NeX/SpaceBarbie is effort that didn't go into internet spaceships.


Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 00:30:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 00:35:39
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Originally by: Ryhss
Avatars are not space barbies, they do not move. Having CQ where you walk around is space barbies. Why is CCP turning a space ship game into every other MMO?!


They aren't.

The vision of ccp coincides with their incarna trailer and the butterfly effect. They want to have a full sci-fi simulator universe. Starting from your captains quarters, then to include shops, bars, businesses for personal interaction that isnt a chat window. Then when you leave you affect the universe looting and pillaging collecting and selling goods, interacting with not only your fellow pilots in space, but with your commandos and people on the ground.

Why is it so hard to understand that ccp has a dream and a goal that NO other mmo company would ever try? Especially on a single sharded universe.

I mean wouldnt you like to sit in a bar, watch some exotic dancers giving you a great show, what you call for orbital strikes on people you hate with the touch of a button, knowing that while you did this that some guy with his ps3, just got nuked by some guy playing with exotic dancers in Incarna? Could you imagine the rage?

I dont know about you guys, but I want to get a lap dance while i call for orbital strikes against console players, just for the tears.


****ing exactly.

Also more fun stuff for those like Alex:

CCP may have fallen far short of the bar they set for themselves and WiS thus far, but anyone who has enough wherewithal to look back at the scope of the past few years knows exactly what CCP intended with WiS in its entirety. The NEX was just a sleeper that few of us anticipated or knew about until the last little bit... personally I don't blame them, and they're right, they have a **** ton of stuff on their plates, and what better way to pay for some of it (including Incarna) than offer fancy expensive vanity items for the discerning capsuleer with extra throwaway income in real life?

None of us have paid a dime for an expansion since we started playing however many years we've been playing so quit yer ****ing that there is a vanity cash shop in the game for once after all these years, when everyone else is already doing it in the rest of the ****ing MMO world.

Not only that but we have all known Incarna or something like it was on the way for half a decade. Anyone who wants to acted shocked and dismayed that CCP released Incarna content either lives under a proverbial rock or needs to have their head examined. You certainly had ample enough time to move onto any other MMO than sit here for half a decade listening to CCP yammer about WiS then act oh so shocked when they what... actually release it?

FFS. I for one could not be more shocked that after developing it for five years, they actually released it! WOW. Shocked

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.26 00:50:00 - [33]
 

I have never seen people complain so much about being able to customize their character with such depth. "Oh no my character doesn't look like it did for the last six or so years!" - complainers. And in that time you never once wanted to change them? Ever...

I know everyone is ****ed off about the NeX and CQ. Though if you compared EVE Online today, with it in 04-05, it might as well of been EVE Online 2. I have seen this game progress since 03 though I have only played it off and on in the mean time. Sure there are still bugs, glitches, other more spaceship related content that needs working on. But they have now provided you with a system I was hoping they would start work on years ago.

The biggest turn off my friends have with this game. Is the fact that you never see your character. People love to be vain in video games. Who has the coolest gear and equipment. Why else do people fly around titans? It takes years, costs more than most people can afford to replace on their own. And you take orders from someone else on where and how to use the thing even though you put in all the hard work to fly it. I'm not saying the only reason to get into a titan is for the vanity. I'm just saying you could fly a SC, carrier, or any number of other ships and still fill a respectable role in fleet.

Now CCP has room to mess this up big time. Or make something immerse, fun, and interactive. Only time will tell where NEX, CQ, WiS, and Dust 514, will take this game. All in all it is still content, even if it's not all red boxes and illogical sound effects in space. So before you guys shoot down another jita monument. Take the time to consider the grand scheme of this, keep playing, quit, or go on vacation.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.26 00:55:00 - [34]
 

Quote:
Plus opportunity costs. The effort CCP put into Avatar/NeX/SpaceBarbie is effort that didn't go into internet spaceships.


It is effort and opportunity cost that went towards the long term perpetuation of internet spaceships, however.



Aggressive Nutmeg
Posted - 2011.08.26 01:28:00 - [35]
 

I wish you weren't forced to have an Avatar. I resent having to flick through a few steps of bull**** to create a useless picture.

The OP is right. This is a form of 'space barbie'. But the difference is that we are FORCED to create an Avatar. We can't opt out as we can with the NEX crap.

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.26 02:47:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 25/08/2011 18:59:06

You customized your avatar when you made it.
You didn't pay (extra) for it.
You didn't complain.
Why did you not refer to it as space barbie when you played dress up then?
Why is it space barbie when the avatar customization came from the NEX sore?
Just wondering why the double standard.

Fixed, good point, we did pay for the avatar customization. Or, for those who like to put too fine a point on it, "the right to access the server to play space barbie."


if creating an avatar to even start the game is 'space barbie' to you, then is ship fitting 'playing with lego or tinkertoys'?

'space barbie' refers to an utterly futile desire on ccp's part to have everyone play dress up with no where to go, but for what? there's abosolutely no reason whatsoever to play dress up or push so much development time into literally useless items before the technology is even rolled out to provide 'walking in station'.

there's a point where the idea eventually becomes ridiculous to an extreme when there's no purpose to it at all. if ccp had decided to leave it at incarna as a roll out for avatar customization as a one time issue until an actual station was had to be walking in, then great. instead we get an incremental push that leaves the remainder of the game high and dry while 'spaceships' get a backburner, and bugs such as skills not applying continue unchallenged or acknowledged.

not to mention the obvious diversion of resources to both 514 and vampy despite consistent denials, and all the while paid for with subs or plex bought by dun dun dun 'internet spaceship' folks, not preteen girls looking for nex bluelight specials. i'd love to see the actual values brought in by nex just to prove me wrong on this, but i get the feeling we won't, because they don't.




Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.26 03:19:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
They aren't.

They are. Lemmings and cliffs comes to mind...

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

Why is it so hard to understand that ccp has a dream and a goal that NO other mmo company would ever try? Especially on a single sharded universe.
Because they keep introducing stuff and then leaving it?

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
I mean wouldnt you like to sit in a bar, watch some exotic dancers giving you a great show, what you call for orbital strikes on people you hate with the touch of a button, knowing that while you did this that some guy with his ps3, just got nuked by some guy playing with exotic dancers in Incarna? Could you imagine the rage?

I dont know about you guys, but I want to get a lap dance while i call for orbital strikes against console players, just for the tears.


Two of my local "clubs" - Yes they have Wi-Fi, Yes I've played from there.... So no, sitting in Incarna and doing anything does not appeal to me in the slightest. And while I've never gotten a lap-dance while calling in an orbital strike, I have done some low-sec roams...


The biggest annoyance to me about Incarna is this: It was supposed to be entirely voluntary. "Opt in" not "Opt out". In interview after interview and at fan fest, everyone was assured that "Ambulation/WiS/Incarna (whatever the "F" you want to call it this year) would be voluntary.

Since CCP was able to code a "nex" button onto the Neo-Con, I do *not* see why there couldn't have been a button from the old hangar to (load) Incarna. Instead, we either load Incarna, or we are shown the door (so to speak).


I don't know if their marketing/dev team realize the significance of "showing someone the door..."

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.08.26 03:27:00 - [38]
 

The old character creator had all free options, a better stylized aesthetics and very distinct racial differences.

I'd take a much lower resolution character that actually looked cyberpunk/sci-fi rather than an underwear model wearing the same coat as 20% of the other players.

Alexa Akiga
Posted - 2011.08.26 03:46:00 - [39]
 

What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.

The items in the Nex store are being sold because shortly we will be meeting each other face to face inside stations, making drug deals and banging back shots at the bar! Get with the program and stop your *****ing already.

Kadex Dagron
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:01:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 25/08/2011 18:53:21


These are the same people who cannot find France on a map, mind you.
The same people that think military drab uniforms are not historically accurate.
The same people that listen to talk radio hosts with baited breath and believe every word they have rammed down their throats and mindlessly repeat it everywhere they go.
The same people that balk when one president takes a week off but clapped when the former drove around on a tractor on his ranch for half a year simply because the latter was their man and the former was not.

It's like that Family Guy episode where Lois runs for mayor, she tries to use reason and logic, and genuine care for championing people's interests only to find that no one listened to her until she used catch phrases, meaningless memes, and nothing else.

Netflix it on the web and stream the episode, Louis Griffin runs for Mayor, it is really quite accurate political satire IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Takes_a_Village_Idiot,_and_I_Married_One

Satire, the truest form of political dialog there is IMO.


Ahh... You mean catch phrases like "Hope and Change" or maybe "Yes we can"? So, how is THAT guy working out for you? Hmmm? Not so good for the rest of the country, rumor has it.

BTW... Why would anyone care where the f***k France is anyway? The French don't even know where France is located. Were they not the ones who once believed Paris was the center of the universe? True story.

Subscriptions will decrease until the US and world economy improves. So you want to see EVE grow, vote no on Obummer. New catch phrase for you, "No you can't"!

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:06:00 - [41]
 

I have always supported walking in stations and I still do. The goal (at least as told to us) is to make EVE the greatest space-faring MMORPG of all time. To do that though, they needed to flesh out more of the person-to-person aspect. I can't wait to see what will be done with it (possibly exploring sleeper stations and such), but gosh dang it. I'm not going to support micro/macrotransactions in any way shape or form.

It's an abomination to everything EVE ever was and ever will be. Other players would be wise to understand this. If not, go play some other play-for-free game. At every nook and cranny, there's some elf wanting you to open your wallet and spend real money. (sound familiar?)

-Cave

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:25:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 25/08/2011 18:59:06

You customized your avatar when you made it.
You didn't pay (extra) for it.
You didn't complain.
Why did you not refer to it as space barbie when you played dress up then?
Why is it space barbie when the avatar customization came from the NEX sore?
Just wondering why the double standard.

Fixed, good point, we did pay for the avatar customization. Or, for those who like to put too fine a point on it, "the right to access the server to play space barbie."


We where FORCED to redo our Avatar-pictures. But i'm sure you can't comprehend the difference. And we payed for it, damn we payed (years of lack of expansion content).

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:27:00 - [43]
 

@kadex and mendolus:

geez guys, get off topic much? current u.s. politics has no place in a thread about walking in station and space barbie.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:34:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 05:57:32
Originally by: Alu Utukku
@kadex and mendolus:

geez guys, get off topic much? current u.s. politics has no place in a thread about walking in station and space barbie.


ROFL yea, I was just trying to quote some Family Guy to explain away how some people are with the NEX, if you so much as say the word NEX they get all up in a big fuss like an angry mob, it's silliness.

Then this raging lunatic comes in here spouting every keyword he's ever heard and statistics he's clearly been spoon fed... /shakes head.

The best part is where he writes an entire country off yet claims to know anything about the world, lol... I mean srsly? wtf?



Edit: You know, I am of the firm belief that anyone who believes another person is wrong 100% of the time, is probably full of complete bull****, just like anyone who thinks an entire expansion and every single line of code is an affront to humanity.

Maybe Incarna is not what we all wanted, maybe it is, but it is certainly not exclusively one or the other. We all knew Incarna was coming, that it came at a relatively bad lull in CCP's grand design is unfortunate, but you know honestly I would rather we just get it all out of the way so we know that for the next few expansions (as promised) we are going to get a lot of fixes to the existing game mechanics and to spaceships themselves.

But anyone who believes wholeheartedly that every line of code on every page of every bit of Incarna related content requires their moral indignation is kidding themselves.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:04:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mendolus

Also more fun stuff for those like Alex:


Not my fault that your butt hurt. Well deserved butthurt. I'm just a messenger of why it hurt so bad.

Originally by: Mendolus

CCP may have fallen far short of the bar they set for themselves and WiS thus far, but anyone who has enough wherewithal to look back at the scope of the past few years knows exactly what CCP intended with WiS...


... and many other things they insert into the game but forget to finish, balance and fix bugs.

Originally by: Mendolus

None of us have paid a dime for an expansion since we started playing however many years we've been playing so quit yer ****ing that there is a vanity cash shop in the game for once after all these years, when everyone else is already doing it in the rest of the ****ing MMO world.


15$ X 12 month = 180$ a year that what every player pay yearly for a game. That's 3 AAA titles at least. Your statement of none paid a dime not sustainable. Overpaid a lot of dollars is correct statement.
Everyone else is not us. I don't care what other games have or don't have. I'm not playing them. I'm playing this one. Lemmings and the reef...
So that statement of yours also incorrect at best.

Originally by: Mendolus

You certainly had ample enough time to move onto any other MMO than sit here for half a decade listening to CCP yammer about WiS then act oh so shocked when they what... actually release it?


What was promised and what was released is two completely different things. Oh and also there was promises of 3 more CQs by end of Summer. That's right about now. Where are these CQs? So, another statement of yours that is incorrect at best.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:11:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
...


CCP said they would release avatar related content, and they did, where did I say that they held up their promise to release CQs by the end of the summer?

Nice try, you know the jargon, but you lack the comprehension.

This is a subscription based game with free expansions, that CCP can even keep up with the content of each new expansion with a relatively flat increase in revenue over time is a miracle in and of itself.

You seem to be ... naive about how commercial product lines work.

And frankly, I don't give a flying **** anymore, because none of it matters.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:12:00 - [47]
 

Ah. Selective memory.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You didn't complain.
Why did you not refer to it as space barbie when you played dress up then?
They did.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:18:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Mendolus

Maybe Incarna is not what we all wanted, maybe it is, but it is certainly not exclusively one or the other. We all knew Incarna was coming, that it came at a relatively bad lull in CCP's grand design is unfortunate, but you know honestly I would rather we just get it all out of the way so we know that for the next few expansions (as promised) we are going to get a lot of fixes to the existing game mechanics and to spaceships themselves.


I certainly hope you right on this one.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:21:00 - [49]
 

My thread lock senses are tingling. Either that or moderation of posts for being really off topic.

Either way, this thread is just whining now .

FilterRelease
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:30:00 - [50]
 

have a bunch of monocle wearing unknowns come into the forums in support of ccp on this yet?

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:30:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 06:33:17
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Mendolus

Maybe Incarna is not what we all wanted, maybe it is, but it is certainly not exclusively one or the other. We all knew Incarna was coming, that it came at a relatively bad lull in CCP's grand design is unfortunate, but you know honestly I would rather we just get it all out of the way so we know that for the next few expansions (as promised) we are going to get a lot of fixes to the existing game mechanics and to spaceships themselves.


I certainly hope you right on this one.


CCP moves from one project to the next rather predictably, now while what project they choose in and of itself may not have much rhyme or reason to it at least on the surface, they always move to a new one for every expansion.

Trinity - New GFX, New Ships For 0.0
Empyrean Age - PvPvE, Low Sec
Quantum Rise - New Indy Ship, Server Upgrades
Apocrypha - Tech 3, New Space (Wormholes)
Dominion - Null Revamp
Tyrannis - Planet Jockey (part of the science fiction masterpiece to tie in with DUST514)
Incursion - PvE
Incarna - Vanity (part of the science fiction masterpiece)

So, what's next?

Certainly not PvE, and we have had two expansions unrelated to spaceships in as many years, three if you count the fact that Incursions are just more group activities to pad one's wallet.

Certainly straight PvP has not been touched as a whole in a long while, and null, despite popular sentiment to the contrary, really does need some fixes or its going to get really bad out there.

And surprisingly enough, CCP has indicated they are working on null for the Winter Expansion.
Maybe we'll get some of those hybrid fixes while they are at it.

Who knows, but one thing is certain, after a year and a half of content largely unrelated to spaceships, how could they NOT put out an expansion that does not deal mostly with spaceships themselves?

What WOULD they even put out at this point?

You see, it is easier to fear monger than to actually look at the reality of the situation.
What could they put out this fall, that we know about, or have been told, that would not be spaceship related?

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:41:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 26/08/2011 06:42:28
Originally by: Kadex Dagron

1. War in Iraq? Bush and Obummer Bush started it, Obamaer has to finish it without making the country implode.

2. War in Afghanistan? Bush and Obummer Bush started it, Obamer has to finish it without making the country impode

3. War in Libya? Obummer (uh oh!) USA has done very little, this is a British and French operation.

4. Guantanamo? Bush and Obummer Obama tried to close it but the republicans have blocked every move

5. Debt? Bush<4 trillion in 8 years.... Obummer >4 trillion in 2.3 years (uh oh!) Without that cash injection the US crash would have been much much worse

6. Arab Spring fiasco? Obummer (uh oh!) He had nothing to do with this

7. Rampant inflation due to debt monetization? Obummer (uh oh!) This is the falt of the markets,

8. World economic inflation due to US dollar value decrease (see #7) Obummer (uh oh!) Again welcome to the world markets

9. US energy prices skyrocketing? Obummer (uh oh!) This is happening everywhere and is not the falt of obama. It is because there is only so much oil/coal/gas in the ground and it is starting to run out.

10. Doubling of US citizens on food stamps? Obummer (uh oh!) This is what happens when an economy slumps due to years of miss management.





All of this naturally has everything to do with CQ and how it is outrageous that I cannot get tight leather hotpants with wings on them.


Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:42:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mendolus

CCP said they would release avatar related content, and they did, where did I say that they held up their promise to release CQs by the end of the summer?


That's one of the issues. They promise and don't keep up to it. So their promise of fixes and content in coming expansions exactly like it is. Promise. Considering CCP history of promise fulfillment it's not very reassuring.

Originally by: Mendolus

This is a subscription based game with free expansions, that CCP can even keep up with the content of each new expansion with a relatively flat increase in revenue over time is a miracle in and of itself.


This is a subscription based game with already paid for expansions. That is correct statement.

Originally by: Mendolus

You seem to be ... naive about how commercial product lines work.


May be. But we all aware of what happened with SoE. I'm sure none of us want the same fate for EVE Online.

Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of things i absolutely in love with in EVE. I'm sure there will be a lot more things that i will like. And no matter how paradoxical it may sound i like the general concept of WiS. I just don't like MT and all the aggressive marketing around it. I don't like that CQ was given so huge priority that the main content of the game seem to be on incomparably lower priority level then CQ and MT associated with it. And i very much don't like EVE to be subscription game with MT shop with either P2W or P2Showoff stuff. It is completely out of place with player controlled universe concept.

Pak Narhoo
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:51:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.


I wouldn't_hold_my_breath.
7 years to get 1 quarter finished, 70.000 man hours to build one crappy forum.
No need to go on.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:53:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 06:33:17
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Mendolus

Maybe Incarna is not what we all wanted, maybe it is, but it is certainly not exclusively one or the other. We all knew Incarna was coming, that it came at a relatively bad lull in CCP's grand design is unfortunate, but you know honestly I would rather we just get it all out of the way so we know that for the next few expansions (as promised) we are going to get a lot of fixes to the existing game mechanics and to spaceships themselves.


I certainly hope you right on this one.


CCP moves from one project to the next rather predictably, now while what project they choose in and of itself may not have much rhyme or reason to it at least on the surface, they always move to a new one for every expansion.

Trinity - New GFX, New Ships For 0.0
Empyrean Age - PvPvE, Low Sec
Quantum Rise - New Indy Ship, Server Upgrades
Apocrypha - Tech 3, New Space (Wormholes)
Dominion - Null Revamp
Tyrannis - Planet Jockey (part of the science fiction masterpiece to tie in with DUST514)
Incursion - PvE
Incarna - Vanity (part of the science fiction masterpiece)

So, what's next?

Certainly not PvE, and we have had two expansions unrelated to spaceships in as many years, three if you count the fact that Incursions are just more group activities to pad one's wallet.

Certainly straight PvP has not been touched as a whole in a long while, and null, despite popular sentiment to the contrary, really does need some fixes or its going to get really bad out there.

And surprisingly enough, CCP has indicated they are working on null for the Winter Expansion.
Maybe we'll get some of those hybrid fixes while they are at it.

Who knows, but one thing is certain, after a year and a half of content largely unrelated to spaceships, how could they NOT put out an expansion that does not deal mostly with spaceships themselves?

What WOULD they even put out at this point?

You see, it is easier to fear monger than to actually look at the reality of the situation.
What could they put out this fall, that we know about, or have been told, that would not be spaceship related?


When you put it this way it seems structured and logical. Thank you.
I very much wish you to be right about all this. A lot of people would be very happy and I think it's safe to say that a lot of people who left would return to game if CCP put spaceships content into the game.

I'm not sure what would they put out in next expansion. But after Incarna revelations (all the things happened around it too) players expect anything at all.

All I can say I really wish you to be right about next expansions.

Igualmentedos
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:56:00 - [56]
 

I'm just gonna leave this here for all of the space barbie lovers.

SPACE BARBIES

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:59:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: baltec1

All of this naturally has everything to do with CQ and how it is outrageous that I cannot get tight leather hotpants with wings on them.



^^^

Where are my winged hotpants?!?!

Also, where is the inevitable pic of a hotpants wearing pony? YARRRR!!

Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:58:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations.


Whatever you're on, I'll take 2 of 'em. Wait, no, give me 3. That's some GOOD stuff, I want one for later.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.26 10:37:00 - [59]
 

Off topic political posts removed.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:19:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
All I can say I really wish you to be right about next expansions.


Me too Alex, me too Confused I too want an expansion or two that does nothing but tweak ships, fix ships, deal with ships, and maybe even spruces them up a bit a la the Scorpion and Maller work they've done so far.

CCP explained how they do the new ship models so we all know they have a ready made formula to remaking most of the hulls in the game, and while it too is a vanity subject much like avatars, I think it would go a lot farther towards enticing newer players if the ships got a more modern remake. A lot has changed since Trinity in the gaming world, it's been four years! Time for some fancy ships, not clothes.

Also, I am sorry about previously calling you naive, that was an err on my part and I'm glad we can discuss things like we have been since. You have my apologies.

Though we may differ on our opinions of the weight and merit of our personal views of what the game should and should not be bringing to us at the end of the night when CCP throws us a bone, I think we both agree that a spaceship game should be about spaceships, naturally, and that a year and a half without any spaceship related content is indeed a long time.

However, we may simply have been at the mercy of design strata, insofar as it is unlikely CCP could devote resources to developing DUST514 and WoD in starts and stops, putting it down for twelve months at a time to retool their dev teams to work on spaceships alone, so the fact that they decided to just do it all at once over the course of nearly two years, is probably more of a resource management decision than an active choice to, "Hey, in our spaceship game, ya know the one where 90% of the game requires a ship of some sort, we should focus on everything but that for two years!" was probably more like "Guys we cannot afford to put a lot of teams on DUST514 and WoD, and then set it down for a year to work on spaceships again, so let's just get all the heavy work out of the way, then get back to what we do best."

Maybe I am right maybe I am wrong, but I have to work with my boss to make decisions exactly like this every day ^ so I am pretty sure that it was just a necessary evil that CCP had to pull all the stops to get this WoD crap over the hump so they could have all the legwork for it out of the way once and for all.

Again, thanks for being patient! I admit I was a little irritable yesterday, lack of sleep and whatnot.


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