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Sergio Ling
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:47:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?


because it's safer

Sergio Ling
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:57:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?


because it's safer


mind you, that's "safer", not "safe"

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:11:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lord Mudekai
Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP?
Because they are PvP too.

That is why EVE is a PvP game (and not just "supposed to"): because everything you do in this game is done in competition with other players. If you mine until your head explodes, then someone else will go without ore, because you took it all. Blowing you up to bring that competition to a grinding halt is an entirely valid way of getting you out of the way.
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If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP.
And again, it already has removed everything else… well, nearly. There are exactly two things in this game that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. And those two activities are there because the biggest PvP arena of them all — the market — needs some ISK to grease its wheels.

You cannot play EVE without competing with other players. If you don't want them to compete back, you have to go somewhere else, because this game will not, and cannot provide the peace and quiet you are looking for.


Actually I argue that placing a command center on a planet is not a form of PvP (yet). once you start extracting resources, however, you're affecting other players (to a greater or lesser extent).

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:43:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: LoneCrow Crendraven


There are times you just dont feel up to the cheap dirty tricks of people and don't feel like pvp and are not looking for a fight. We should have a choice, and there should be more drastic repercussions for attacking someone who isn't affiliated with an enemy corp.. for attacking neutral type cargo runners etc.




That's what I meant by "hurrah for jump clones". Sure, sometimes you want to have a "safer" time playing the game. There are plenty places in Empire that are pretty safe. As people have said, you're never absolutely guaranteed safety anywhere in EVE, but generally speaking you can relax in Empire most of the time.

So train up that Infomorph Psychology, get good standing with your favourite corp (that has good Agents in both hi and low sec) and get yourself a few JCs, so you can take a vacation when you get bored being on the alert all the time, and get back into the thick of it when you get bored being relatively safe all the time. Have a few well-stocked "home" stations, one in safe Empire, and one or two out on the wild fringes for your daredevil forays into Pirate space!

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:48:00 - [125]
 

lol why are this convo still going...

A.) the GM said no - figure it out kids

B.) Look at the ships killed in the past 24 hrs on the map an scroll out so you can see empire. Yes I realize theres more ppl in Empire than not but thats my point. Where there are more people in EVE its MORE dangerous even IF you have the CONCORD safety blanket

Justified Cause
Posted - 2011.08.23 20:50:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Nope, sorry.


thread\

Reeper 2435
Posted - 2011.08.23 21:06:00 - [127]
 

Fear my assault hulk! I shall warp into your mission and beat the sweet bejeweled devil out of you! I scoff at your Alpha Mael!

All hail the Hulk as the most profecient, potent, sadistic weapon of ultimate mass destruction.

BOO Shocked That's right, look startled.

Lady Zarrina
Posted - 2011.08.23 21:37:00 - [128]
 

Nothing sweeter than seeing little pathetic jack russel terrier gankers get their panties in a bunch. So much whining from these folks lately.

Kilrath Uskarl
Caldari
Advent Chaos Theory
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.08.24 01:01:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Nope, sorry.


Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.

Originally by: BrundleMeth
I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....


Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?

Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.


Step 1. Join a nullsec alliance
Step 2. Go do your mindless carebearing in 0.0
--if your own alliance kills you leave and join another
Step 3. Monitor your alliance intel channels and watch local
--it's not like mission running and mining are so mentally tasking you can't multitask
Step 4. If neutral or enemy players enter the system dock or cloak
Step 5. Grow up

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.24 01:18:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
lol why are this convo still going...

A.) the GM said no - figure it out kids

B.) Look at the ships killed in the past 24 hrs on the map an scroll out so you can see empire. Yes I realize theres more ppl in Empire than not but thats my point. Where there are more people in EVE its MORE dangerous even IF you have the CONCORD safety blanket


Quoting myself ftw see A.)

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.08.24 03:53:00 - [131]
 

Quote:
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?


After 5 pages, I just KNEW he'd work it out.

+1 Sofia \o/


Sofia Bellard
Posted - 2011.08.24 04:29:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?


After 5 pages, I just KNEW he'd work it out.

+1 Sofia \o/




Enjoying the massive tears so far as PvPPPPPPPPP hopefuls rage in local saying I must be a bot because I am long safe and cloaked before they even pull up the directional scanner.

Cry more noobs!!!! ugh

Zela Kahn
Posted - 2011.08.24 04:36:00 - [133]
 

job related hazard.

its tax deductible.

fight on.

CAre you not about the bear, let the bears care about thee.
and all will be right.


Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.24 05:16:00 - [134]
 

see A.) lol

Mr Plack
Posted - 2011.08.24 08:49:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Enjoying the massive tears so far as PvPPPPPPPPP hopefuls rage in local saying I must be a bot because I am long safe and cloaked before they even pull up the directional scanner.

Cry more noobs!!!! ugh


So what you're saying is that you let every shuttle that enters local disrupt your ISK making until such a time as they decide to move on?

Sounds like you're really in control of your game...

Cya in local. YARRRR!!

thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.24 09:49:00 - [136]
 

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Ccp might get rich, if they come up with a server where no pvp is possible


i thought about this for a while.


(1) in a server with no pvp- there would be no sinkhole in the markets for pvp ships or victims of pvp i.e freighters, mining barges (i would take a guestimation and say that around 90% of ships in eve are lost due to other players killing them.

(2) this in turn would make it almost pointless for traders to exist- there would be no need for traders since virtually no one would need to replace ships, item ect

(3) mining would be pointless, most of the minerals in eve are mined to meet the demands of a pvp orientated makret- therefore no pvp- no need for much minerals- kiss whatever isk you make on mining goodbye.

(4) even moon mining, wh sites and lowsec sites would be rendered pointless- as i said above ANYTHING that is used to build ships/items within eve would be more a less useless and you would see tech 3 sell for 10-20 mil (complete guess)

(5) the only thing worthwhile doing would be missions for the bounty.


Eve is built for pvp- without pvp, the market would crash as well as all ship prices and items

peacetime= depression economy for traders
war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)

what i think would be a good idea is a temporary no pvp server for new players for a week or so (of course they can leave anytime they want- and bring their assests with them onto tranquility)
but limit availability of mining ships on that server so as to prevent people taking advantage of the no pvp rule.

In conclusion i would think that the existence of a no pvp server would not work- and virtually no one would use the server.
If you dont like pvp then look at some guides to assist you in protecting your assets and STAY IN HIGHSEC.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.24 09:53:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.

Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?

I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?


Sorry but this is a pvp game!

Even when you run lvl4 missions in empire, you are actually pvping with everyone else in the universe. Stopping you from generating ISK will only make my ISK worth more, so yes HI-sec secure income should be removed since there is no way to counter the ISK-war these folks are waging against the rest of us.

Aramatheia
Posted - 2011.08.24 11:22:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Aramatheia on 24/08/2011 11:34:15
hmm i think the best pvp game i've played was halo, least you respawn with a gun and some ammo straight up! lol

Quote:
war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)


war actually creates debt, USA vs iraq is teaching us that, 8+ years and counting.

Junky Juke
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.24 11:34:00 - [139]
 

Shocked

WeirdNoise
Caldari
tagueuletoi
Posted - 2011.08.24 11:47:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
High sec is dangerous too. Two people in Tempest battle ships blew up my Gila after we argued. They died from the police because they broke the law, so I fell better. I was only fit with low tech modules. I asked them why and they said they did it for the laughs out louds.

Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.


5+/10
thx for the lulz

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.24 12:46:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: thekiller2002us

what i think would be a good idea is a temporary no pvp server for new players for a week or so


was with you right up to here.
doing this would be "bad". the NPE needs to reinforce that everything is PVP, and go from there...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.24 12:53:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 24/08/2011 12:53:59
Originally by: Aramatheia
Quote:
war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)
war actually creates debt, USA vs iraq is teaching us that, 8+ years and counting.
…for the nation, not for the PMCs, manufacturers and logistics companies (legal or otherwise). Twisted Evil

So yeah, war = booming economy for the cliques the capsuleers belong to.

Epic Fail Troll
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:13:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: okst666
A while back, my wife played ryzom...
they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp.
You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.

EVE has that; it's called the undock button. If you don't want to PVP, don't undock; it's that simple.

Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:16:00 - [144]
 

Wow, can't believe so many got trolled into a 5-page "highsec isn't safe enough" whine thread.

Impressive.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:43:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
You know what? Fine. Everyone just jump on the "Make Fun of Missioners!" bandwagon already!

Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?

I'm going to make a **** ton of ISK and there is not jack **** your going to do about it. NOTHING! How do you like them apples SUPER LEET PEE VEE PEERERS!!!! So while you all fight over scraps over some poor hauler who took a wrong turn, I will be sitting back and enjoying my ISK flow.

Go on, fight for those table scraps, DO IT. ugh


Couple of things to help you here but first. I want to make you light up on a specific subject. Did you ever ever hear (type or cry in local) that a pirate, pvper or some dumbnut didn't catch you cried about it ? did he ever yelled, cries, qq'ed or say anything thats not fair...well just like you do right now ? I never did. ever.

No that wasn't an insult. That's what eve is. harsh and hard. People here don't like it when others cry. Well they do cause they will take advantage of them but...you know what I mean by now.

Also, if you tried to get friends to do missions in low sec and they killed you, change friends or corp. Seriously, they suck and those are not friends. Getting your entire corp in low sec and learn pvp will help you a lot in this. If you know how pvp works and you start thinking like them it might be easier for you in the end.

Oddly enough, it's easier to missions in nullsec than low sec but that could be my views when I was there. Thats the only thing I could tell you to help. You could also change agent in low sec since now every agent pays the same and are not in relation to their security. A quality 0 will pay the same as quality 20 now.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.24 20:26:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lord Mudekai
Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP?
Because they are PvP too.

That is why EVE is a PvP game (and not just "supposed to"): because everything you do in this game is done in competition with other players. If you mine until your head explodes, then someone else will go without ore, because you took it all. Blowing you up to bring that competition to a grinding halt is an entirely valid way of getting you out of the way.
Quote:
If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP.
And again, it already has removed everything else… well, nearly. There are exactly two things in this game that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. And those two activities are there because the biggest PvP arena of them all — the market — needs some ISK to grease its wheels.

You cannot play EVE without competing with other players. If you don't want them to compete back, you have to go somewhere else, because this game will not, and cannot provide the peace and quiet you are looking for.


Actually I argue that placing a command center on a planet is not a form of PvP (yet). once you start extracting resources, however, you're affecting other players (to a greater or lesser extent).


I cannot place an extractor where you placed a command center, you cannot put extractors down on that juicy pile I have decided to mine out, but you can put some extractors around mine and run short cycles to attempt to deplete the resources I have access to, but the whole thing is not exactly worth it...

Doyouevenlift Khagah
Posted - 2011.08.24 20:35:00 - [147]
 

do you guys remember de ccp video of butterfly effect?
some random guy is flying in low sec, then see a poor hulk being ****d by pirates, he needs to have a choice, save him, or just shoot at him -then be ****d by the pirates-

in the reality, a miner or poor man carebear in low, is just, FRESH MEAT. There are no hero's here... only a few local pirates or just random guys who want to shoot something at.

If this were a true sandbox, you should see more people fighting these ****ers too, that leads to:
more fun in low sec, more pvp, more traffic.

Maybe that carebear is making profit, but at least is moving supplies to other system who needs it too.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.24 21:02:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Doyouevenlift Khagah
do you guys remember de ccp video of butterfly effect?
some random guy is flying in low sec, then see a poor hulk being ****d by pirates, he needs to have a choice, save him, or just shoot at him -then be ****d by the pirates-

in the reality, a miner or poor man carebear in low, is just, FRESH MEAT. There are no hero's here... only a few local pirates or just random guys who want to shoot something at.

If this were a true sandbox, you should see more people fighting these ****ers too, that leads to:
more fun in low sec, more pvp, more traffic.

Maybe that carebear is making profit, but at least is moving supplies to other system who needs it too.



I completly disagree. I have seen a lot of heroics, intervention and have had my own ass saved by strangers on many occassions. There are far more people in low sec especially trying to avoid PvP than there are people looking for it. In null sec their are far more people ratting and other PvE type stuff than their are wars, PvP battles etc.. Its just a perception people get wrong because they don't actually go out their. In truth there really isn't as much fighting in low and null sec as people think. You will see more death in Jita on any given day than you will see in entire regions of low sec or null sec.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.24 21:39:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Kunming
since there is no way to counter the ISK-war these folks are waging against the rest of us.



Yeah there is, scan em down an get a suicide bomb fleet together and/or kill them.
Its called PVP

zeberath
Posted - 2011.08.25 01:09:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Thornat
I completly disagree. I have seen a lot of heroics, intervention and have had my own ass saved by strangers on many occassions. There are far more people in low sec especially trying to avoid PvP than there are people looking for it. In null sec their are far more people ratting and other PvE type stuff than their are wars, PvP battles etc.. Its just a perception people get wrong because they don't actually go out their. In truth there really isn't as much fighting in low and null sec as people think. You will see more death in Jita on any given day than you will see in entire regions of low sec or null sec.


Move your ass carebears! i want my supplies in low sec systems.

btw i want facts, more experiences to believe that. To me, low and null smells death. Last time i moved to null for fun, i was trapped in those anti-warp bubbles, there was one in every jump trayectory to the low sec gate. Luckilly i killed the bastards in their shiny ships. While firing the bubble, 4 ships popped out from the gate (80km distance) every military ship locked me and tried to open fire, only scout and probe did not.

So , my experience in null is little, but that little was full of death and evilness everywhere.
Low is just either boring for no action, or deathly by piracy actions.


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