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Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.20 22:37:00 - [61]
 

Why are all the female avatars so hideous in this thread!?!? wow... some people need a make-over...

Roxy Mitchell
Posted - 2011.08.20 22:42:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Drykor
Obvious troll is obvious.


Overused meme is overused.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.20 22:44:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Roxy Mitchell
Originally by: Drykor
Obvious troll is obvious.


Overused meme is overused.



yet no less true

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.08.20 22:47:00 - [64]
 

Can't tell if serious or not; whatever.

Too lazy to bother reading if someone's already said it, so: You consent to PvP when you start an account. If you wish a spaceship game with a deep economy and optional PvP, I suggest you hit the books and get on with developing that. Hell, if it's good, I might come play.

This game's too soft on PvP already, for a supposed PvP-centric affair (See: The hue and cry over local chat, where wormholes have shown that it is possible to operate without, and yet OH GOD ITS SO DANGEROUS OH I MIGHT LOSE MY SHINY SHINY SHIP AND THEN ID CRY AND TEAR OUT MY HAIR...).

The fact that you have local chat, and directional scan, and these two things will reveal your danger almost instantly is not enough, shows that you really haven't been paying attention to what Eve is supposed to be about.

CCP Soundwave's reply above is heartening. I could wish it more strongly worded, but it'll do.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.20 23:26:00 - [65]
 

want a game where you fly spaceships an dont lose yer ship? Go play STO

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.08.20 23:29:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Komen
If you wish a spaceship game with a deep economy and optional PvP, I suggest you hit the books and get on with developing that. Hell, if it's good, I might come play.


There is the single player game that inspired Eve, Elite. Problem is that game and its 2 sequels are 16-25 years old. Elite 4 began development in 2000 as a MMORPG but it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome. But for all I know, Elite 4 could very well wind up PvP centric as well.

Wu Tarot
Posted - 2011.08.20 23:43:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stiller
it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.


Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?

Because Of Door
Posted - 2011.08.21 00:14:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.


Just keep it legal. Draw the curtains when you next get the turnips out...

Wu Tarot
Posted - 2011.08.21 00:47:00 - [69]
 

Hey Door, you hidin from the same ppl I am?

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.08.21 01:15:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Wu Tarot
Originally by: Jacob Stiller
it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.


Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?


Rather, it will stay in development for so long that if it is released, its game design will be hopelessly outdated. Duke Nukem Forever would've been received a lot differently if it was actually released in the late 1990's.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.21 01:25:00 - [71]
 

I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....

Sofia Bellard
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:20:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Nope, sorry.


Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.

Originally by: BrundleMeth
I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....


Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?

Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:22:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 21/08/2011 02:24:49
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Nope, sorry.
Why not?
For the same reason you can't raise chickens and grow crops in CS_Italy: because it's not that kind of game.
Quote:
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
No. It's because you don't want to play in the sandbox, period. Because that's what you're asking for: a way to not be in the same universe as everyone else; you don't want to be affected by the world around you. The sandbox doesn't work that way — quite the opposite.
Quote:
Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
Get some friends.

Sofia Bellard
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:24:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Sofia Bellard on 21/08/2011 02:24:12
Originally by: Tippia
Get some friends.


Tried that. They killed me. Got any other genius ideas?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:25:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: Tippia
Get some friends.
Tried that. They killed me. Got any other genius ideas?
Get some actual friends.

Etoche
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:29:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?


easy.....risk versus reward

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:33:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: BrundleMeth
I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....


Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?


No starting a stupid threa like this makes you an idiot. The whole point of your whine is to tell others they should play YOUR way doofus. What is happening to you is prefectly predictable and absolutely allowed. Are you that clueless?

Quote:
Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.

No !!! Bottome line is you are clearly in the wrong game. We don't adapt to your needs. We play as we see fit. Adapt or get out...

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.08.21 04:29:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Lord Mudekai
Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP? I think that if someone wants to mine til their head explodes then let them, they shouldnt have to be worried about some dumbass who thinks they should be pvping and not mining to force PvP upon them because they are not playing the game the way that they think they should be. If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP. Let all the PvP'ers pay for the damn game and see how they like it when all the carebears leave(with all of their multiple accounts) and the whole of EvE comes crashing down because now theres no people/targets to shoot at that wont shoot back.


They have those other professions for things to do other than shoot people. It is still pvp. You sell to someone you buy from someone you interact with something and it is a player trying to buy low and sell high. PVP
Seriously this argument was dead over 7 years ago. Shut up.

Toshiroma McDiesel
Posted - 2011.08.21 04:42:00 - [79]
 

Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off YARRRR!!

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.08.21 05:31:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Toshiroma McDiesel
Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off YARRRR!!


Its because of people like you that we have such lame things as "dance offs." Evil or Very Mad

Wu Tarot
Posted - 2011.08.21 07:03:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Wu Tarot on 21/08/2011 07:07:40

Originally by: Jacob Stiller
Originally by: Wu Tarot
Originally by: Jacob Stiller
it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.


Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?


Rather, it will stay in development for so long that if it is released, its game design will be hopelessly outdated. Duke Nukem Forever would've been received a lot differently if it was actually released in the late 1990's.


It would also have been better off if not made.

Have to agree
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3581-Duke-Nukem-Forever-for-real-this-time
an for ****s n giggles:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1968-Viewers-Choice-Duke-Nukem-Forever

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Nope, sorry.


Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.

Originally by: BrundleMeth
I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....


Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?

Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.


Originally by: Sullen Skoung
want a game where you fly spaceships an dont lose yer ship? Go play STO


Thats Star Trek Online an (never thought Id say this)its right up your alley

Originally by: Toshiroma McDiesel
Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off YARRRR!!


I swear I remember a dev blog where the DEV said everything is PVP in this game, from mining to marketting

It is funny to see a CCP representative saying "no" to this question tho

carrottyphoid
Posted - 2011.08.21 10:01:00 - [82]
 

It's much more fun when you are on the other side...muhaahahahhahaha

ehm..mauahahahahahahahaha h

Sofia Bellard
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:06:00 - [83]
 

So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?

Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?! Mad

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:15:00 - [84]
 

He mad.

He sounds mad.

Also.

I think he might be.

Jelly.

U Jelly?

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:15:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?

Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?! Mad


Get back to work slave.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:24:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?

Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?! Mad
The census is that whiny players that are unable to adapt and want to change the very nature of the game (sandbox) should rather play a different game.

You have lots of options to avoid what you would call "griefing". This is not one of those "single-player" mmos you might have played before.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:27:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Solstice Project on 21/08/2011 11:27:23
You guys still are talking about this ?

This topic is the perfect troll-topic.

It's obvious that there's no reason to talk about this,
because the game is as it is ...

... and still, as soon as somebody comes up and demands the game changes,
"everybody and their mother" starts posting. *lol*

Funny. Give it a rest. Hunt him down. If he's an alt,
try to find out who he really is and show him how the game works ...
... and ... the door. ^^

Peace ! :)

Edit: No, wait. Scratch the peace.

War ! :)

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:54:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?


It makes you a target. The fact that you take issue with that makes you an idiot. It's amusing that you're not taking all this as a learning experience that you've been earning isk the hard way instead of earning it the smart way.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.21 12:05:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Tippia
For the same reason you can't raise chickens and grow crops in CS_Italy: because it's not that kind of game.



There actually are chickens in CS_Italy though. So it could be possible, so long as someone didn't knife them.

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.21 12:10:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/08/2011 12:16:47
Right from its inception EVE has had this thing where it's a pretty darn good s-f simulator - it's got great lore, a beautifully designed universe, spaceships and matériel, great naming of things, and everything is nice and deep and takes ages to "finish".

And while the PvE is sort of meh in terms of engaging gameplay, it's an entertaining enough minigame to try and make one's PvE isk earning as efficient as possible.

IOW, despite some flaws, it's by far the best s-f space sim in town. So it attracts people who would like to just play a nice PvE multiplayer s-f simulator.

But unfortunately for them, it has this PvP carbuncle, in that it's designed as a PvP game from the ground up, with the PvE being an adjunct to that.

So, a fellow who just wants a nice space sim to relax with after work has two choices: either they can work around the PvP, find some way to tolerate it and still carve their own little bit of quiet s-f sim for themselves, or GTFO.

I think the bears who have settled into EVE have chosen the former route - we get to grips with the game, and how to avoid trouble as much as possible - and/or, if trouble comes, find the best ways of coping with it.

Plus also, we eventually come to understand that even though it's annoying sometimes, the PvP basis of the game actually makes it feel much more alive than a merely PvE game could ever do. The fact that you're constantly at risk in this game gives it a spice and flavour you couldn't get if you had guaranteed safety to just float about in your own little la la land.

I suggest the OP think of it that way - and eventually they will "get" it. And also, they'll get the bear's quiet satisfaction of avoiding being ganked. Gankbear tears of frustration are tears of the same colour and consistency as any other, and using the tools CCP have given you to avoid trouble is, in itself ... PvP.


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