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Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:26:00 - [61]
 

AH but I did prove it.

By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.

Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.

Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:28:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads.

maybe when you start to read what others write to you you will find what you want. Now you only ignore completely anyone other's posts (except my). That's why i troll you.

One more try (last one): afk cloaking ITSELF isn't bad. And you are right: noone was really killed by afk cloaker (you can say the same about carriers: not one ship was killed by carrier, carriers use drones to make damage so not one carrier kills ships). Problem is how people use it.

This is like botting. Everyone says "bots kill the game". However bots don't kill anything. They just make their own function. And they indirectly hurt Eve. Which people see and complain about. You can say that people aren't just right and all this stuff. Will you?

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:31:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 14:32:13
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.

By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.

Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.

Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?



Horsecrap! You took actions that resulted in...
1. Killmails for you by attacking the AFK cloaker's corp's industrials. (At least I hope you did... brilliant idea btw.)
2. The AFK cloaker being punished and leaving your system.

Dude, you did it right. Accept that. You beat the afk cloaker and did it well. Yet you're still acting like carebears docked up in panic mode. You've lost credibility with this argument because you've already shown the balls to beat them. Boast, man, don't cower.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:33:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.

By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.

Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.

Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?



Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads.

maybe when you start to read what others write to you you will find what you want. Now you only ignore completely anyone other's posts (except my). That's why i troll you.

One more try (last one): afk cloaking ITSELF isn't bad. And you are right: noone was really killed by afk cloaker (you can say the same about carriers: not one ship was killed by carrier, carriers use drones to make damage so not one carrier kills ships). Problem is how people use it.

This is like botting. Everyone says "bots kill the game". However bots don't kill anything. They just make their own function. And they indirectly hurt Eve. Which people see and complain about. You can say that people aren't just right and all this stuff. Will you?


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.

Eight Sinn
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:33:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.


Follow the Scout motto: "Be Prepared"

If you simply accept the fact that 0.0 requires protection and planning you eliminate the threat of cloaked ships. If you refuse to accept the threat that a cloaked ship can pose and insist on applying CB operations methodologies to 0.0 eventually you will lose our to a cloaked ship.

It's like condoms, they aren't always fun to use but you are glad you did if it avoids the AIDS, STD's or unwanted baby spawns.


Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:43:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 14:32:13
Originally by: Simetraz
AH but I did prove it.

By the very essence of my corp having to shift operations it had the same effect as a kill mail.

Now if I provided a kill mail wouldn't that prove that the person was actually NOT AFK.
So ANY kill mail could be null in voided by you.

Or are you going to except peoples words that they were killed by a afk cloaker ?



Horsecrap! You took actions that resulted in...
1. Killmails for you by attacking the AFK cloaker's corp's industrials. (At least I hope you did... brilliant idea btw.)
2. The AFK cloaker being punished and leaving your system.

Dude, you did it right. Accept that. You beat the afk cloaker and did it well. Yet you're still acting like carebears docked up in panic mode. You've lost credibility with this argument because you've already shown the balls to beat them. Boast, man, don't cower.


Actually not horse crap.
We had some new folks who were not used to 0.0 life who stopped logging in and eventually left the corp, that by very definition is cowering.
Then there were the PvP folks and those who were industrials primary but could PvP, those were gnashing there teeth trying to figure out how to get this person.
Baiting didn't work, it was tryed (AFK).
So in the end they found the alliance and ended up going after a totally different corporation.

Effective yes but far from hitting the target.
All I want is a probe that takes an hour to run that will put me on the same grid as the person afk.
If some is even marginally awake I will never get a chance to uncloak them and kill them.
But if they are gone for 8 hours.
They return to a POD.

Not asking much just let me kill the BOT.


Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers
RED Citizens
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:46:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Demonic Sentiment
Edited by: Demonic Sentiment on 19/08/2011 07:32:19
How do you die to an afk cloaker... If they are afk...


Not only that but if they are cloaked they cant activate any modules....

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:46:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.


You still haven't answered my question.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:49:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.


You still haven't answered my question.



It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here.

Please go ahead.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:52:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
All I want is a probe that takes an hour to run that will put me on the same grid as the person afk.
If some is even marginally awake I will never get a chance to uncloak them and kill them.
But if they are gone for 8 hours.
They return to a POD.

Not asking much just let me kill the BOT.



I still disagree that afk cloaking is a problem needing to be fixed, but you mean something like this?

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:11:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.


You still haven't answered my question.



It's not my intention to argue semantics about AFK or not. We all know they can't kill you if they are AFK. I am simply using the (poorly worded) common name for this 'issue'. This isn't meant to be a trick thread, which makes it more frustrating that people can't hold their breath and count to 10 before splerging the same old rubbish in here.

Please go ahead.


I am looking, needle in a hay stack as I wasn't the victim or aggressor.
You do know the primary goal of AFK cloaking is NOT to get kill mails.
This really is a poor way to judge if afk cloaking is a problem.

looking....

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:16:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:27:07

Killmail

I believe here is one.
Fits the time frame and ship types from what I remember

Bombers and loki's are the ships of preference these days for hanging around cloaked all day.
or were should I say
Covert ops do it from time to time but nobody pays attention to them.

Actually if you find a single ship kill against ratting or industrial ship with a bomber or loki
involved most likely there was some AFK cloaking going on as well.


Gypsy Overlord
Amarr
Super French Mining Merchant Surrender Fleet
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:28:00 - [73]
 

I got killed by AFK cloaking because of falcon.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:29:00 - [74]
 

NEVER

Why? Because I'm not ****ing rubbish, like you.

Learn to EVE, *****.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:50:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:50:36

Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.


CaldariCitizen19082011 ShockedShockedShockedShocked

I didn't pay attention to your original name.
Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try and get people banned because you didn't like there replies.


Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:56:00 - [76]
 

Once I thought I had died to an afk cloaked, but it turned out he was at the keyboard after all.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 15:59:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:50:36

Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011


Again, you are not discussing actual LOSSES to afk cloakers therefore are off topic. I have reported you both as such and urge you to find a more relevant thread to continue your theorising. There are plenty to choose from.


CaldariCitizen19082011 ShockedShockedShockedShocked

I didn't pay attention to your original name.
Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to try and get people banned because you didn't like there replies.




I didn't try to get anyone banned! I wished to get people ON topic, and hopefully a thread clean. The namechange was inevitable I am under no false pretences but let's not discuss moderation here.

Your previous link is noted as one possible by the way. Thank you.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:04:00 - [78]
 

SO why are you trying to collect these statistics ?
Kind of like trying to determine how many NON-NPC ships a hulk or a mac have killed.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:21:00 - [79]
 

It is technically impossible to die to an afk cloaker if it hasn't already been pointed out in this thread.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:21:00 - [80]
 

Any evidence to support that AFK cloakers is a problem is surely in a lot of peoples interests. So far we have 1 in about 80 posts.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:40:00 - [81]
 

/there is nothing to seek here

Rhinanna
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:51:00 - [82]
 

Anyone who thinks AFK cloakers aren't a threat is either really stupid or hasn't thought it through.

They can sit there for hours, come back to the computer for 5 mins, check for anyone in space and then leave the computer again for another few hours. I've used this tactic very successfully myself. After the first few hours they assume you are afk, so when I come back to my computer they are merrily mining away and POP, bombs, point, torps away, dead Hulk.

There is no way to find me, there is no way to know if I'm afk.

If you are dumb enough to mine or PvE in the same system as I'm in, then you are either going to get 'uncloak, bomb, point' or 'uncloak, cyno, point' combo on your head. Either way, its not good for you!

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:00:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Rhinanna
Anyone who thinks AFK cloakers aren't a threat is either really stupid or hasn't thought it through.

They can sit there for hours, come back to the computer for 5 mins, check for anyone in space and then leave the computer again for another few hours. I've used this tactic very successfully myself. After the first few hours they assume you are afk, so when I come back to my computer they are merrily mining away and POP, bombs, point, torps away, dead Hulk.

There is no way to find me, there is no way to know if I'm afk.

If you are dumb enough to mine or PvE in the same system as I'm in, then you are either going to get 'uncloak, bomb, point' or 'uncloak, cyno, point' combo on your head. Either way, its not good for you!


Thank you for not reading the thread. It's been thought through to death and this is the wrong thread to discuss it further. Please read the scope of the thread before posting this rubbish here.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:03:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 17:03:39
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011


Thank you for not reading the thread. It's been thought through to death and this is the wrong thread to discuss it further. Please read the scope of the thread before posting this rubbish here.


So let me see if I got this right.
You finally got the attention of someone who has actually using this tactic and you tell them they are rubbish.

LaughingLaughingRolling EyesRolling Eyes
Thread over

Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:06:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 15:27:07

Killmail

I believe here is one.
Fits the time frame and ship types from what I remember

Bombers and loki's are the ships of preference these days for hanging around cloaked all day.
or were should I say
Covert ops do it from time to time but nobody pays attention to them.

Actually if you find a single ship kill against ratting or industrial ship with a bomber or loki
involved most likely there was some AFK cloaking going on as well.




How did he even manage to lock and engage you if he was cloaked (cannot use modules) and AFK?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:50:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
POST HERE EVERY TIME YOU DIED BECAUSE OF AN AFK CLOAKER.


NON-SEQUITUR!


Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.19 17:52:00 - [87]
 

let me get this straight: you are asking if someone afk killed anyone? this thread belongs in the mythical event forum.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.08.19 18:05:00 - [88]
 

A lot of people here are not discerning between 'afk cloaker' and 'cloaker'. To the extent I care about this topic (very little), my issue is that someone is afk, yet still having an effect as if they were actually playing. That just seems against the spirit of the game. You can argue a cloakers should simply be ignored, but the reality is, they are not. Thus the afk cloaker is 'getting something done' in-game while afk.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 18:48:00 - [89]
 

Quelle surprise. Some people prefer to act facetiously rather than contribute to a discussion. Laughing


Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.19 19:29:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011
Quelle surprise. Some people prefer to act facetiously rather than contribute to a discussion. Laughing




The discussion you want to have is ridiculous. And many of us are tired of talking to lugubrious coxcombs.


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