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Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 01:46:00 - [1]
 

Why would players wanna buy the Sleeper loot drops for more than the NPC buy order prices... I see them all over The Forge for more than the NPC buy orders... I don't get how this makes any sense at all...

Coffe's Babe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.19 02:05:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 19/08/2011 02:05:52



It does NOT make sense for you how NPC's and the prices they offer are worse than the ones players do? What game have you been playing so far? EvE Offline?

Scout1111
Posted - 2011.08.19 02:11:00 - [3]
 

Isk laundering.

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 03:03:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Coffe's Babe
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 19/08/2011 02:05:52



It does NOT make sense for you how NPC's and the prices they offer are worse than the ones players do? What game have you been playing so far? EvE Offline?



Why would players want these items... thats the whole question behind this post. Aren't they only good for 1 thing in the entire game = selling to NPC buy orders (which impose a price floor)??

Angsty Teenager
Posted - 2011.08.19 03:22:00 - [5]
 

I'll tell you why I want them.

Basically the sleepers and I have a deal. I rebuy all their loot that you pirates steal from them and give it back to them, the rightful owners, and they give me intel on all the noobs in WH space and go kill them.

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 04:48:00 - [6]
 

OK.....................................

So I can see that no one has an answer to this......Rolling Eyes

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.19 04:57:00 - [7]
 

Because Margin Trading exists.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:00:00 - [8]
 

how much more operator ?

5 isk 5mil isk 60 mil?

the larger the difference the more likely it is to be a margin trap

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kesshisan
Because Margin Trading exists.



what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:06:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01


Sorry, I have no idea then.

But I do enjoy the fact that you provide us with minimal information and then when we try to offer rational solutions you THEN give us the information and laugh at us. That makes me want to help you out.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:08:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Kesshisan
Because Margin Trading exists.



what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01



is it a big m3 item?


i would assume the penny they spend save hours of hauling but no idea sell one to a person then shoot them a mail .

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:10:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: Operator XIII
what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01


Sorry, I have no idea then.

But I do enjoy the fact that you provide us with minimal information and then when we try to offer rational solutions you THEN give us the information and laugh at us. That makes me want to help you out.


I was working off the assumption that:

A) Other people have almost assuredly seen this same thing in game, and have much more experience with Eve than me
-OR-
B) Someone may have taken 10 secs in game to actually open the market and look to verify that I wasn't full of crap

And don't try to act like your answer wasn't curt and condescending...

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: trance atlas
Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Kesshisan
Because Margin Trading exists.



what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01



is it a big m3 item?


i would assume the penny they spend save hours of hauling but no idea sell one to a person then shoot them a mail .


No, they are tiny in volume... also, this doesn't really make sense as the player buy orders are in the same station as the NPC buy orders usually - only for a fraction of an ISK more so that people actually sell to them instead of the NPCs.

I would understand this if there was some possible chance of these things increasing in value in the future, but since they are only in the game to sell to NPC's at a set price - I am completely stumped as to why anyone would do this.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:18:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: Operator XIII
what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01


Sorry, I have no idea then.

But I do enjoy the fact that you provide us with minimal information and then when we try to offer rational solutions you THEN give us the information and laugh at us. That makes me want to help you out.


I was working off the assumption that:

A) Other people have almost assuredly seen this same thing in game, and have much more experience with Eve than me
-OR-
B) Someone may have taken 10 secs in game to actually open the market and look to verify that I wasn't full of crap

And don't try to act like your answer wasn't curt and condescending...



a you have received 5 of 7 post that contained no troll in them its bound to end

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: trance atlas
Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Kesshisan
Because Margin Trading exists.



what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01



is it a big m3 item?


i would assume the penny they spend save hours of hauling but no idea sell one to a person then shoot them a mail .


No, they are tiny in volume... also, this doesn't really make sense as the player buy orders are in the same station as the NPC buy orders usually - only for a fraction of an ISK more so that people actually sell to them instead of the NPCs.

I would understand this if there was some possible chance of these things increasing in value in the future, but since they are only in the game to sell to NPC's at a set price - I am completely stumped as to why anyone would do this.


speculation then ?

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: trance atlas
speculation then ?


Speculation on what? That CCP will raise the NPC buy order prices in the future, so ppl decided to horde Sleeper drops? Doesn't make any sense ugh

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:11:00 - [17]
 

If it's indeed in the same NPC station as the NPC orders... well the only real reason I see is setting up some kind of a scam. Or long-term speculation - if nothing happens you can always sell back to NPCs at a minimal loss. Or <tinfoil hat>insider info about their possible future use</tinfoil hat>.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:48:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 19/08/2011 11:56:46
Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Kesshisan
Because Margin Trading exists.



what? hahaha this, in no way, even comes close to addressing a feasible answer to my question...

the NPC buy orders are 5,000,000... the player buy orders are 5,000,000.01


That is probably somebody from Arek Jaalan. Therefore RP.

My guess would be authochthonian.

The idea is that they will be investigated and experiments conducted to try to reveal elements of the Eve storyline as part of the live event programme.

There are also a few collectors.

Levija Saplina
Supremacy Inc.
Not Found.
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:51:00 - [19]
 

To build cosmos items ?

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:21:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Levija Saplina
To build cosmos items ?


sleepers are wh thingys i think. so mebbe t3 but im pretty sure not cosmos.


but it is v early so i could also be super wrong

Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:21:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Jdestars on 19/08/2011 13:22:27
Originally by: Coffe's Babe

It does NOT make sense for you how NPC's and the prices they offer are worse than the ones players do? What game have you been playing so far? EvE Offline?



Hub Effect ...
Player wants to Sell this kind of componant less than Order npc
Major trader dont move to hub like jita and order npc are outside .
Price differences are not significant to compensate for tax of purchase/sale in market so no profite to do

the good question its why the supply dont supply directly the Npc Orders in right station ...Neutral
dont try to find logic with the damned Jita Trader and some macroters ..





Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:40:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Or long-term speculation - if nothing happens you can always sell back to NPCs at a minimal loss. Or <tinfoil hat>insider info about their possible future use</tinfoil hat>.



This ^ ... LOL... is, sadly, the only plausible thing that I can come up with as well Confused

People do some crazy sh!t.

OllieNorth
Gallente
R-K Industries
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:19:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
B) Someone may have taken 10 secs in game to actually open the market and look to verify that I wasn't full of crap



You have to remember, many MDers, if not most, spend a lot more time on the forums than actually in game. Have to have something to keep us from getting bored at work you know.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:29:00 - [24]
 


It has nothing to do with COSMOS or T3, Sleeper components plays no part in any manufacturing.

They do play a very important part in the sleeper story line.

Why is that so difficult to accept?

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:35:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Scout1111
Isk laundering.

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:58:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari

It has nothing to do with COSMOS or T3, Sleeper components plays no part in any manufacturing.

They do play a very important part in the sleeper story line.

Why is that so difficult to accept?



Can I get a TLDR version of sleeper story line please? I want to know what would drive ppl to such market money madness.

Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Scout1111
Isk laundering.



And this still makes no sense...

Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers
RED Citizens
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:58:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Scout1111
Isk laundering.



This is the only thing that makes sense to me. Dirty money buys them then undocks and jets them for transfer to another toon????

Operator XIII
Posted - 2011.08.19 18:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Chigger Troutslayer
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Scout1111
Isk laundering.



This is the only thing that makes sense to me. Dirty money buys them then undocks and jets them for transfer to another toon????


Actually, I apologize. If anything, this does in fact make the most sense of anything else I've (not) thought of. An item with a set price is a perfect for this...

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 18:38:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Operator XIII
Originally by: Wyke Mossari

It has nothing to do with COSMOS or T3, Sleeper components plays no part in any manufacturing.

They do play a very important part in the sleeper story line.

Why is that so difficult to accept?



Can I get a TLDR version of sleeper story line please? I want to know what would drive ppl to such market money madness.

Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Scout1111
Isk laundering.



And this still makes no sense...


It's a different play style, just like some seek a large wallet, others killboard stats or territory, RPer consider unravelling the story line the most important aspect of EVE.

5m is a trivial amount of ISK, the cost of T1 Cruiser without fittings and as already pointed out it can be resold to NPC and get the bulk of the isk back. The loss is 0.01 isk.

A lot of RPer are very old players with massive resources that think nothing of running contests and games with Billion ISK prizes.

One RP player recently paid several billion of ISK for a unit of Trinary Data. It is a nearly unique item (3-6 are thought to exist). They did this because a unit of that was destroyed with the Wreck of Lianda Burreau. The first NPC Actor to travel into wormhole space. It is considered that this item might act as a 'key' to unlock information from sleeper structures in w-space.

Yes, they could be used to launder ISK but at only 5 Million ISK apiece for the most expensive it is not a very efficient way to do it, compared to say faction implants.

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.19 19:22:00 - [30]
 

CCP has consistently warned players beforehand when they are going to remove NPC buy orders from the market. This makes purchases of these items for a trivial amount above the NPC price a 100% safe investment, with a tiny administrative charge.

If you have excess ISK, and want to speculate on expansion changes, this is actually a very good idea. All the CCP-driven RP going on right now is revolving around WHs, Sleepers, drones, and the like. There's also a new novel coming out, and all this story stuff is the setup for that book, and whatever expansion content will come with it.

These items have no purpose other than to be a reward for ratting in WHs. CCP could have just placed bounties on Sleepers and achieved exactly the same thing, but instead they chose to place item drops on them and seed NPC buy orders. They also invested in posting stories about how Concord had convinced all the Empires to buy up this material as a way of giving all 4 of them equal access to any discoveries made from researching the items. That's a lot of work that could have been accomplished with bounties.

Thus, although not certain, it is perfectly reasonable that these items will actually be valuable for something other than being sold to NPCs in the future. The Empires are willing to pay capsuleers 5m per unit of this stuff, and from an RP standpoint that means they're worth at least that much to them. Now RP considerations don't mean much to players uninterested in that side of the game, but many of CCP's design decisions revolve around Eve's story.

I personally have "some" ISK stored in the form of a stockpile of this particular item, purchased exactly as you have seen. If CCP warns about removing this item from the market before I find out if it will be useful for anything else, I'll dump it all on the NPCs. If they break with past behavior and don't warn me, I'll be sitting on a stockpile of now-rare, relic items that I'll likely be able to sell off slowly on contract. I may lose out, but nothing ventured is nothing gained, as they say.

If a new use for them is added to the game, the price will likely rise as a result, and my investment will have paid off. Opportunity cost isn't a large factor as I currently have difficulty finding opportunities for my ISK anyway.

And yes, I'm fully cognizant of the fact that your persistent questioning of "why" people are doing this isn't purely an exercise in curiosity. But I seriously doubt that explaining the above is going to affect the outcome of my investment, as I have no plans to add to my stockpile and CCP isn't going to modify their decisions based on the effect it will have on 1 player.



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