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Cynoska McNamara
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:32:00 - [31]
 

Pirates want the local chat removed and cloacking devices as is.
Citizens (miners, PvErs, productors, patrollers) want local chat as is and cloacking devices nerfed.

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?

If a pirate is unable to adapt to the difficulties, it is not a good pirate, but just another Average Pirate Joe.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:33:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
Pardon me, but he's not a holo doctor, he's an EMH - Emergency Medical Hologram
He's also not a doorstop.

Well, perhaps not in the case of Joe, but the program in general.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:39:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 18/08/2011 19:41:23

Originally by: Cynoska McNamara
Pirates want the local chat removed and cloacking devices as is.
Citizens (miners, PvErs, productors, patrollers) want local chat as is and cloacking devices nerfed.

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?

If a pirate is unable to adapt to the difficulties, it is not a good pirate, but just another Average Pirate Joe.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Yet if the Miners & PVER's can't adapt then what are they? Less than average Joe?

For the record I'm happy the way things are in regard to local & cloaking. If anything I'd only want to see a delayed local rather than no local. I think no local will only encourage gate camps and will be a nerf to small gang PVP for anything other than playing Gank-a-Bear.

No local would mean easier ganking of soft targets but will be a nerf to small gangs looking for actual fights. WH's are boring as hell and if thats what CCP intends to do to null it's gonna make roaming pretty useless in the already empty waste lands of null sec.

Jackson Millenius
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:39:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cynoska McNamara

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?



The laws and rules are there to maintain the powers that be.

Removal of the local channel would be a stupid idea, but delaying it by say 2-5 minutes would be epic.



Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:12:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Gorki Andropov
Quote:
Wait a second... did Lady Spank get a character rename or is this just a copycat ?
Can't say the name is much of an improvement though

People have these things called alts, you know. Some of us more than others, I daresay Rolling Eyes

Sarcasm detector needs more fine-tuning ?

Gramps Pank
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:13:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Gorki Andropov
Quote:
Wait a second... did Lady Spank get a character rename or is this just a copycat ?
Can't say the name is much of an improvement though

People have these things called alts, you know. Some of us more than others, I daresay Rolling Eyes

Sarcasm detector needs more fine-tuning ?

You forgot to use sarc tags.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:14:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Gramps Pank
You forgot to use sarc tags.

He wouldn't need a detector for that Razz

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:24:00 - [38]
 

Modern scientists answered that with all the **** medical research they jumped on after World War II which was obtained in a variety of "interesting" ways, such as the precise measurements over the affects of hypothermia on humans we have.

Sure, it shouldn't have been done. But don't see it as "Using it justifies those people's suffering."

Rather,

"Not using it means those people suffered for the good of no one."

nubile slave
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:27:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Use of local is a level playing field and hardly unethical. Cloaking gives advantage to the hunter who can swoop in at any time and generates a negative environment of oppression for anyone trying to be productive in that space.


Growing a pair is usually the best response....Embarassed


Ataxio
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:42:00 - [40]
 

Only newbs & the unprepared get ganked by "afk cloakers" Hundreds of thousands of replies to threads like these instructing the clueless OPs about how to proceed when cloakers are in system seem to have no effect.

There is simply put nothing wrong with cloaking mechanics the way they are. If you are solo ratting with a neut or hostile in system, that's your own fault for being stupid.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:50:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Ataxio
Only newbs & the unprepared get ganked by "afk cloakers" Hundreds of thousands of replies to threads like these instructing the clueless OPs about how to proceed when cloakers are in system seem to have no effect.

There is simply put nothing wrong with cloaking mechanics the way they are. If you are solo ratting with a neut or hostile in system, that's your own fault for being stupid.


There was nothing wrong with bumping mechanics until Goons went around in fleets of shuttles harassing freighter pilots for weeks until CCP nerfed bumping (or so I'm told).

There is nothing wrong with cloaking nor AFK cloaking, but I guarantee you if someone took it upon themselves to place an AFK cloaker in every system in an entire 0.0 region for six months straight, a nerf would soon follow.

It is all about frequency, magnitude, and exploitation. Many game mechanics are perfectly valid until people figure out they can exploit them in ways they were never intended, and en masse.

You say, do not rat in a system with an AFK cloaker, what if every system had one? You are okay with hypotheticals right, categorical imperatives and the like? So you understand that something can seem valid so long as it is not universalized, right?

Now, CCP are no moral authorities nor ethical geniuses, but they are still quite clever, and if AFK cloaking becomes enough of an issue, they will take action, until then please do not confuse ethics and morality.

Ethics are sets of social laws that apply to finite systems, like EVE, it is indeed a far stretch to argue morality in a video game, but ethics ARE present in this game, and CCP freely and oftentimes rightly exercises ethical principles on the space we play in, to balance and prevent exploitation, deemed unethical by nature, such as the Goons example I provided, which was unethical within the game environment itself as it exploited a perfectly valid mechanic in ways it was never intended to be used.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:57:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Feligast
Longest pure troll post of the week.
This.

Hiya bud, hope you are well. Cool


The whole world's trolling when you dislike what someone has to say Rolling Eyes
I wouldn't know if I disliked it bud, I didn't read it. Embarassed

BigCock RandyMountain
Gallente
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:04:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Feligast
Longest pure troll post of the week.
This.

Hiya bud, hope you are well. Cool


The whole world's trolling when you dislike what someone has to say Rolling Eyes
I wouldn't know if I disliked it bud, I didn't read it. Embarassed


How will you get trolled if you don't read it?

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:05:00 - [44]
 

oh, this a total new one Laughing

0/10


Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:08:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Feligast
Longest pure troll post of the week.
This.

Hiya bud, hope you are well. Cool


The whole world's trolling when you dislike what someone has to say Rolling Eyes
I wouldn't know if I disliked it bud, I didn't read it. Embarassed


Ah, don't listen to Frau Klaps, my friend, it got smacked with the banhammer. Hope you're well too!

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:10:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Mag''s on 18/08/2011 21:12:27
Originally by: Big**** RandyMountain
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Frau Klaps

The whole world's trolling when you dislike what someone has to say Rolling Eyes
I wouldn't know if I disliked it bud, I didn't read it. Embarassed


How will you get trolled if you don't read it?
I could get the wife to read it, I guess.

Originally by: Feligast
Ah, don't listen to Frau Klaps, my friend, it got smacked with the banhammer. Hope you're well too!
Oh dear. Yes I am thanks.

BigCock RandyMountain
Gallente
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:10:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Feligast
Ah, don't listen to Frau Klaps, my friend, it got smacked with the banhammer. Hope you're well too!

Wrong

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:14:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Feligast on 18/08/2011 21:14:16
Originally by: Big**** RandyMountain
Originally by: Feligast
Ah, don't listen to Frau Klaps, my friend, it got smacked with the banhammer. Hope you're well too!

Wrong


Wrong

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1567281

Shartifartblast
Minmatar
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:16:00 - [49]
 

Just a mistake that is soon to be smoothed out.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:19:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 18/08/2011 21:19:06
if there's something I learned throughout my life is that history taught me that ethics are relative.

also, this is a goddamn game. **** ethics.

so the point of this post is... what again?ugh

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:24:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Again, our only way to affect other people in a game like EVE is by making clear that we don't accept that kind of behavior.


I do not accept your kind of whining on the forums behavior. Now go away.

...


Did it work?


Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:31:00 - [52]
 

With the way people go on, you'd think nullsec was designed to be an incredibly dangerous place or something.

Master Hu
Caldari
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:39:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
We do not 'kill people for a living' ...


Then you are doing it wrong. Running a locator agent as we speak and sending afk cloakers to each of your traveled systems.

BigCock RandyMountain
Gallente
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:43:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Master Hu
Originally by: Frau Klaps
We do not 'kill people for a living' ...


Then you are doing it wrong. Running a locator agent as we speak and sending afk cloakers to each of your traveled systems.


We do it for fun.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.18 21:46:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
I am not a primary school teacher. Go read up on the key issues of the subject if this discussion is too advanced for you.


I was asking you how you figured it was unethical. I already understand that its not, and posted the definition for your benefit.

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:24:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Tartarek
Question: If someone is AFK cloaked, and there is no local to warn you of them, are they still there?


This

And what if he doesn't see you either?

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:35:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Cynoska McNamara

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?



Wait, the physics behind clocking devices are now subject to the laws and rules of citizens?

OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:41:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT on 18/08/2011 22:46:05
Originally by: DNSBLACK
OMG you are an nut job.


With all due respect sir...and remember that I did say with all due respect.

**** you right in the goat ass.


Cynoska McNamara
Posted - 2011.08.18 23:05:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Karak Terrel
Originally by: Cynoska McNamara

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?



Wait, the physics behind clocking devices are now subject to the laws and rules of citizens?

Don't talk me about physic in an under-water game like EVE.
CCP is the God that rules the physics.
God listens EVE community.
Patches are his miracles.

Vilidri
Posted - 2011.08.18 23:11:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Karak Terrel
Originally by: Cynoska McNamara

In a civilized society, are laws and rules made for citizens or criminals?



Wait, the physics behind clocking devices are now subject to the laws and rules of citizens?


Clocking devices are be re-geared ;o)


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