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Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.16 08:47:00 - [1]
 

Being travelling around found such a strange thing.
According to map statistics data people hunt NPC there. One system has 3500NPC kills last days. Other - less. Many systems have stations and cyno generators. However in about 3 hours (with like 8 hours between) i found no one there! And map statistics shows "0 people docked or active last hour" and "about 3-7 jumps in last hour".

Question first: any history/strategy info about that places? Is it part of NC territory in past after last war or something?

Question second: is it some kind on new ninja botting when someone kills NPC but no one in map statistics? Very Happy

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:03:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/08/2011 09:05:38
Map statistics feature is not updated in remotely real-time. People can tear through a bunch of sanctums or missions and then leave before the statistics information starts recording their presence.

I also like how it will sometimes report loads of pod kills in the past hour, report zero pilots active in system, and then it turns out there's a massive gatecamp that's still active. I guess it's for the best though. That sort of intel would be way OP if delivered in real-time.

edit: Where is "Bridge" btw?

FarosWarrior
Amarr
Pure Dutch Damage Corp
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:52:00 - [3]
 

He could mean Branch, that's next to it.

But most of nullsec is deserted really... Half of it is unclaimed as well, check this this and this

So yeah... Not really much to do down there except the bots running rampant

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:52:00 - [4]
 

Was just running around Tenal. Space was definitely pretty empty; with the exception of one Raiden. system. It was a combo of unclaimed and empty claimed space. Surprised Raiden. Doesn't try and rent it out at all, something to get use out of it.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:01:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 16/08/2011 13:08:19
CCP Soundwave is waaaaay ahead of you.

0.0 is, was, but won't always be, "quiet".

There's no magic bullet to fix this. Players need to be able to find better *sand* in the box out there.

I don't know just how this intel would break the game (but someone would be justified in crying about a bit if dumbing down), but what if CCP added the potential ISK generation per system.

Idea being that people generally don't know about something, they won't go investigate further without some advertising. You drop a big ISK value on systems and you'll get the sortie gold rush effect kick starting exploration and migration.



Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:11:00 - [6]
 

Funny thing. I have plenty of motivation to go to null, but I've got a few specific bits of space I'd like access to. I don't see any decent way of getting into any of the alliances that hold those bits of space. If CCP wants more people in null, they may need to address that. As far as I've been able to determine, much of null is claimed (but not used) by alliances that really aren't even using the space or recruiting.

I'd move in anyways...but any sandcastle I built would be kicked down pretty quickly. Can't beat them, and don't see a clear way of even joining them. But eh, I'm new to looking at null, mainly been in high/low so far. Perhaps I'm missing obvious things.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nemo deBlanc
I don't see any decent way of getting into any of the alliances that hold those bits of space.

you know name of alliance holder. roam around, find someone in this alliance (or blue to it) and send him a message "Who is a person i should convo about renting here?". I would do it if i were you.

according to my traveling - i move to west. Will see how many days my cloning facility will live without meLaughing Main idea is: walk around the universe. So any one knows my way... ugh

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:01:00 - [8]
 

Last I've seen, renting rates were pretty steep. And that was for just one system. I'd want to jump around 4 or 5 probably. Didn't really seem worth it; especially since I'm not against trying out the whole null game. Actually joining the alliances seems like a better option..couldn't hurt to inquire I guess. Nothing to lose, and could lead to some fun.Surprised

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Nemo deBlanc
Last I've seen, renting rates were pretty steep. And that was for just one system. I'd want to jump around 4 or 5 probably. Didn't really seem worth it; especially since I'm not against trying out the whole null game. Actually joining the alliances seems like a better option..couldn't hurt to inquire I guess. Nothing to lose, and could lead to some fun.Surprised

afaik my corp pays 300-500mils a week to Legion of DEATH for each system we rent.

Other option (funny) is: ninja living in system inside enemy claimed territory. Shocked I found many systems noone will take in Tenal for example. Would be funny to test it. How many days your POS will live there before you are detected and infiltrated.... Laughing
hm... idea... one day i will do it for fun....

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:24:00 - [10]
 

Ahar. You can't have it both ways: Make it inviting for habitation. Make it dangerous to enter (CCP's preferred approach.) On the horns of a dilemma, eh?

CHAOS100
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:03:00 - [11]
 

There was a patch a couple years back that encouraged all null sec to be inhabited because you could upgrade all systems to be worthwhile to be in.

Then they removed it. So now only the systems worth being in are the only ones inhabited. Just like ccp wanted it.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:33:00 - [12]
 

Wasn't that patch the *very reason* we have dumb ammounts of super caps?

Wasn't any point in spending isk for fighting over territory when whatever they had, you had as well?

It was defo the right direction but poorly implemented. Resources needed to be removed forcing a reason to care about other regions of the universe.

Rat drops don't inspire.

Renting is enabling large alliances to get larger. I Worry about those that rent and get zero protection. I am in awe at those little entities that try to carve a hole for themselves.

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:52:00 - [13]
 


No. Super-cap proliferation was inevitable as soon as they were buffed to be decisive weapons on the battlefield, technetium and drone regions being massive resource spigots. Anomalies are mostly the means for individual pilots to gain wealth.

And there are pretty much no new powers entering null-sec. The environment has never been more hostile to fresh starters. Either you are under the protection of an older power or are renting. That's part of why null-sec is so stagnant.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.17 08:37:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Spurty
I Worry about those that rent and get zero protection.

not really sure if those exist somewhere or not. After all by renting place you get status "blue" to neighbours and right to use whole "blue" place. So anyway rent is little more than "paying for nothing".

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.17 12:35:00 - [15]
 


Renters generally don't get protection, they get access to space they couldn't take or hold themselves.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.17 12:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Empy Ralt

Renters generally don't get protection, they get access to space they couldn't take or hold themselves.

well. you can set up your industry inside 0.0 territory. And very likely you will not have supercap fleet on top of your head next day. Just because this is territory of alliance you pay for rent. I not sure what "protection" means other way Very Happy

and yes, having body guards around you costs little more than simple rent.

Rebbecca Black
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:08:00 - [17]
 

When roaming look for who holds sov in the majority of the constellations of the region..
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenal#sov
Now use a tool called google and find their killboard..
http://kb.raidenalliance.net/
Look at the systems they're getting kills in, or getting killed in, and plug that into dotlan..
Now troll Kugu and figure out what's going on in regards to politics in the galaxy to figure out where the fights are going to be or..
I would assume at this point the only 'people' left in Tenal are raiden.dot alts, and even their prime time is going to be rather empty because they're all fighting in catch.

Wait you're just looking to gank pve'ers and then claim they're bots when they dock up before you get into system (lol @ pipes and intel channels.)

TLDR: Don't be an idiot, the in game map is arguably one of the worst ways to gather intel when you're planning for roams/regions to hit.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:15:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Rebbecca Black
....

thanks for the info. However i passed Raiden.'s territory already. Now i'm visiting Goonwaffe.

Found another interesting thing: territorial claim unit "protected" by POS. Almost bumped shield while warping from gates to claim unitVery Happy Well. Finding something new is always good.

Milkyway Tzu
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:53:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt

Other option (funny) is: ninja living in system inside enemy claimed territory. Shocked I found many systems noone will take in Tenal for example. Would be funny to test it. How many days your POS will live there before you are detected and infiltrated.... Laughing
hm... idea... one day i will do it for fun....


I'm doing it right now. One toon in a tengu chaining belts or anoms, one toon in a blockade runner to resupply ammo. I also have black frog logistic Corp delivers tons of extra ammo/modules to a nearest NPC station. The blockade runner also acts as a scout in case I need to dockup the tengu toon in the npc station.

Plenty of deserted systems....rat then move on to the next one if some body decide to place a afk cloaker in the current system. Kinda lonely sometime but the occasion conversation with strangers and isk income are nice.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:09:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 17/08/2011 14:10:59


I can solo 4000 rats in a day.

The systems that are obvious bots are out in xXshadowXx space.

Outer Passage

The Spire

This one is the winner with over 25k kills in a day.




What is typically found when you go out there are ravens with drake support on d-scan who salvage/scoop the loot as you enter system. By the time you enter warp, they're already off to their safe pos.

Each person who runs their bot, does so with a different "return to ratting" timer. They typically run large fleets of bots across multiple systems. In a normal botting fleet, we've found they run anywhere from 3-6 ravens + 2-3 drake support. You can learn the timers and get a login trap setup at random belts. We do this with crews where we found one of the timers to be at about 5 minutes and we'd log in at exactly 4 minutes 45 seconds and be spread across belts in a system to hopefully land as they do, get point and blow em up.

They're obvious bots, we report them daily and have had GM's come out to check out what we do to see how we catch em.

If you annoy them enough, the bot owner will eventually get mad and warp a bait domi or something on you, grab point and drop a supercap fleet on your head.


 

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