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Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:37:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Iron Breaker
I don't understand why one side can pay to start a war, but the other side cant pay to end it.
Hmmmm, good point.

General Atrocity
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:44:00 - [32]
 

with the currant war dec mechanics thats a null and void point.
it takes about 35 secionds to leave a corp and join a new one.
yet it takes around 2 dats to war dec a corp.
either way war decs are failed mechanics.

Phelan Votronski
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:51:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Who cares about the real world? This is EVE not the same thing.



But but but... EVE is real I ... I mean I was there for ... for real ...

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:51:00 - [34]
 

5/10 for making it to a second page

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:13:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
5/10 for making it to a second page


I'd go with 1/10, seeing as the original rating was 0/10 Cool.

I love how newer players think that the corporations are meant as nothing more than tax evasion (as compared to NPC) and should have zero drawbacks...

Yeah, I learned my lesson the hard way

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:19:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?


EVE society is technologically advanced, not culturally advanced. All of the empire factions are riddled with corruption and crime.

PS If you think that police in RL dont get paid off or ordered to ignore crimes, then you're living in a dream-world. Remember that even the average mpire mission runner commands wealth that makes Warren Buffet look like an office boy.

EvEa Deva
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:23:00 - [37]
 



1) keep kids in WOW not EVE.......this is true

2) keep destruction of isk up so the market dosn't flood and the game does not collapse......maybe

3) provide fun in high sec....most are only fun for the decking corp

4) provide Tyears......people who say they eat tears sound like creepers, sorry its true.



Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:39:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: General Atrocity
with the currant war dec mechanics thats a null and void point.
it takes about 35 secionds to leave a corp and join a new one.
yet it takes around 2 dats to war dec a corp.
either way war decs are failed mechanics.


Well thats the exact mechanic we want.

Owning a corporation and being part of a corporation is a statement. It says "This is my team, my friends and represents our unified goals". A player should always have the option to walk away from a corp if it doesn't do what they want. War decs on the other hand are also a statement "We want you dead, you are our enemy and we will kill you all". You war dec people you want to kill, the reasons why you war dec are part of your motivation. Maybe its for profit, maybe the corp is invading your corps favorite mining area, maybe their corporate members are screwing up your market oppertunities, or perhaps one of the corp members offended you somehow. Whatever the reason is, you attack them, their members in turn have a choice to make. Either they stand by their corp and fight, or they run and hide and abandon their team.

Hence the system is designed to always ensure that if you don't want to fight you don't have to, but thats an individuals choice. As a corporation you are part of a community of corporations all with their own ideals and goals in a very competative enviroment. War decing is their to ensure that you can do something about your competition if you so choose.

Their is no such thing as ganking or griefing in Eve, thats a catch phrase made up by people who have goals and motivations in the game and think that they should be free to persue them unmolested. That would be grossly injustice to corps who are affected by your freedom negatively. Everyone should have the right to defend their investements and persue their goals, the fact that corps often have exact oppossite goals means their has to be a way for competitors to work out their differences. War is the ultimate resolution system. Anyone who has played Eve for any length of times knows that through war you can eliminate your competition and its exactly what war is for.

So the point here is that as an individual you can do whatever you want in Eve and play the game in the safe haven of High sec and a NPC corp where aside from the occassional Kamakazi ops that take place in high sec you are very safe. If you want to be part of the game however and influence it you have to join a a corp and do it as a team and by such doing you are immediatly making enemies as you are the competition to other corps trying to do the same thing.

War in Eve is enevitable and the war dec mechanic is not broken. It works quite well. Ya individuals can run and hide, let them, they have that luxary. Corporations and alliances however that intend to stick around better be ready for a fight.

Long John Silver
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:33:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.
Not really, it just forces people to stay in NPC corps or switch corps, which just destroys community building, damaging the game in the long run.


WRONG. People just use an alt to do the carebear stuff when their main is wardecced. Rolling Eyes

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:44:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Long John Silver
Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.
Not really, it just forces people to stay in NPC corps or switch corps, which just destroys community building, damaging the game in the long run.


WRONG. People just use an alt to do the carebear stuff when their main is wardecced. Rolling Eyes


Your corp are your teamates, your friends the people who you share your goals. Its your commitment in the game. By playing alts, leaving the corp your just abandoning them. Weak status.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:00:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Thornat

Owning a corporation and being part of a corporation is a statement. It says "This is my team, my friends and represents our unified goals".


You forgot "In order to achieve our goals, we'll do what is necessary to ensure our success" (i.e. declare war)

Originally by: Thornat
Anyone who has played Eve for any length of times knows that through war you can eliminate your competition and its exactly what war is for.


Hell, sometimes that "griefing" corporation becomes an ally...

Originally by: Thornat
War in Eve is enevitable and the war dec mechanic is not broken. It works quite well. Ya individuals can run and hide, let them, they have that luxary. Corporations and alliances however that intend to stick around better be ready for a fight.


TBH, maybe re-vamping the cost mechanic could take a looking at... but otherwise, yeah, it's fine.

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:12:00 - [42]
 

Ugh god...

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:21:00 - [43]
 

CCP Wrangler > You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.


think that covers this thread ^_^

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:23:00 - [44]
 

Wow... talk about grade A ******ation.

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:26:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Successful trolling is successful. I'm amazed no one seemed to even look at the name of the op.
No one? He did:
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Consideing your name, I will go with troll and give you a 0/10 score.

Ovella
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:28:00 - [46]
 

Why not just remove wardecs altogether then... along with concord Twisted Evil

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:32:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Ovella
Why not just remove wardecs altogether then... along with concord Twisted Evil
Because self declared PVPers would camp rookie stations in such numbers it would crash the nodes.

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:56:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Iron Breaker
I don't understand why one side can pay to start a war, but the other side cant pay to end it.


The corp Im in mostly offers a ransom to our targets to end the war ( and we hono(u)r it if paid ), sadly most prefer to stay docked for 14 days.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:59:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Ovella
Why not just remove wardecs altogether then... along with concord Twisted Evil


Indeed if some players had their way their would be no PvP in this PvP game at all.

But actually .. strictly on a philosphical level I could see Eve being a game about corps rather than alliances. It would certainly eliminate a lot of the drudgery that alliances bring to the table. It certainly would make cutting out a piece of the pie in Eve a lot more attainable by motivated players without the overwhelming real life requirements of trying to manage thousands of players.

I mean in Eve Alliances rarely get defeated in 0.0 through gameplay, they usually fall apart because the people running them burn out.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:02:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Iron Breaker
I don't understand why one side can pay to start a war, but the other side cant pay to end it.


The corp Im in mostly offers a ransom to our targets to end the war ( and we hono(u)r it if paid ), sadly most prefer to stay docked for 14 days.



Too short of a period to motivate a reluctant target.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:20:00 - [51]
 

There are a lot of illogical events in EVE.

Pirate ships (rats) in 1.0 systems makes no sense to me.

The existence of pirates that can shoot your raven without concord magically arriving to WTF own them and yet, if you shoot a wreck not belonging to you .. Kaboom!

I could go on to explain sec rating of systems and quantities of rats spawning but will take too long and I have to make breakfast for my pod spawn

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:49:00 - [52]
 

I KNOW!

EVE needs to much more closely follow it's real world analogues! People should only be able to mine after a 2 year waiting period after obtaining mineral rights to an asteroid belt! Missions should "run out" in high sec as you kill all off all of the criminals and all loot should be impounded by CONCORD/the faction police!

And what's up with this jello that we are flying through? There's no air resistance in space, so there should be no maximum speed until you hit relativistic velocities!

<serious>
NO
</serious>

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:51:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Ovella
Why not just remove wardecs altogether then... along with concord Twisted Evil


If we do that...

who would like ammunition (and perhaps ships) at reasonable costs?ugh

Zinyai
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:00:00 - [54]
 

1/10

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:18:00 - [55]
 

The OP is in the wrong game.

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:27:00 - [56]
 

Ye one does wonder how those ex hellokitty players keep ending up in EVE somehow..

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:11:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE?


Yes. You can also get the police to kill them for you for the right price. Alas, that is not possible in EVE.



Damn, now that's an element of RL I'd like to see introduced.

CONCORD ganks! Film at 11.

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:15:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
See Reference

The Kennedy family, Marilyn Monroe affair, ted Kennedy, etc.

See also

O.J. Simpson
Casey Anthony
Joan Benet Ramsey family
Al Capone
Bugsy Malone
Congressman Gary Condit and Chandra Levy
KGB


Ok not going to go on but you get the idea.



Oh! A conspiracy nut! How refreshing!


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