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Tyears
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:15:00 - [1]
 

Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?

OMGWTFResearch
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:19:00 - [2]
 

You do understand the point of the wardec system no?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world
Who cares about the real world? This is EVE — not the same thing.

And no, attacking targets in highsec is one of the main points of having wardecs to begin with. Moreover, it would make highsec corp assets completely untouchable without that ability. It's a good thing.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:21:00 - [4]
 

See Reference

The Kennedy family, Marilyn Monroe affair, ted Kennedy, etc.

See also

O.J. Simpson
Casey Anthony
Joan Benet Ramsey family
Al Capone
Bugsy Malone
Congressman Gary Condit and Chandra Levy
KGB


Ok not going to go on but you get the idea.



Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:22:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.

Tyears
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:22:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
You do understand the point of the wardec system no?


To let people gank others? If they want to do that, they can go to nullsec or lowsec.

Tyears
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.
Not really, it just forces people to stay in NPC corps or switch corps, which just destroys community building, damaging the game in the long run.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:26:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
You do understand the point of the wardec system no?


To let people gank others? If they want to do that, they can go to nullsec or lowsec.


You clearly do not understand the system or you are a troll. Consideing your name, I will go with troll and give you a 0/10 score.


Slade

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
You do understand the point of the wardec system no?
To let people gank others?
No. You can do that without wardecs. It's there to let you go after targets en masse or to disrupt activities that would otherwise be completely safe under the protection of CONCORD, and that level of safety would be bad for… well, almost everyone.
Quote:
If they want to do that, they can go to nullsec or lowsec.
No, because highsec is in no way meant to be free of combat — it's just a place where combat comes at a cost, and wardecs is one method of paying those costs.


Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:27:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Rikeka on 15/08/2011 22:28:06
To OP.

True, so... CCP, make it that after 30 days of registering, you are assigned to a corp, or make it that factions can be wardecced!

The problem would be then be solved. Thx OP for bringing this up.

Trax Rabbit
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?



Yes in many countries this is normal.

the good news is, Eve is just a video game so who cares. Makes it more exciting.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:41:00 - [12]
 

Look, this thread again!

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.
Not really, it just forces people to stay in NPC corps or switch corps, which just destroys community building, damaging the game in the long run.


It doesn't damage the game. Harden the **** up pubbie.

Monstress
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?
The whole point of war decs is so you can fight in hi sec.
Not really, it just forces people to stay in NPC corps or switch corps, which just destroys community building, damaging the game in the long run.


Not really, you and/or your corp mates are just too dumb to do anything about it.

Iron Breaker
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:49:00 - [15]
 

I don't understand why one side can pay to start a war, but the other side cant pay to end it.

Summer Tame
Posted - 2011.08.15 23:12:00 - [16]
 

Trololololo ppl, don't feed the troll... Cool

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.15 23:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Iron Breaker
I don't understand why one side can pay to start a war, but the other side cant pay to end it.


pay the manYARRRR!!

Hydraka
Posted - 2011.08.15 23:47:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tyears
My hulk just got blown up while I was mining in Abudban

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.15 23:53:00 - [19]
 

These threads never get old.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
These threads never get old.


*munch* *munch*

Popcorn?

Zendi Hoffstra Okaski
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:06:00 - [21]
 

lol

You haven't met many real life cops have you?

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:18:00 - [22]
 

And on top of everything else that's wrong with this thread, in some countries people can and do kill others in public while authorities look the other way. Of course, the "authorities" in question are not typically measuring up to any sort of reasonable standard in their application of the law. So when the police force responsible for punishing the actions of immortal pod pilots deals with things in a way that you may find unusual, well you shouldn't be surprised. Different places, different systems. I really can't believe I actually just typed this post.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:37:00 - [23]
 

I have seen better, and more eloquent posts on somethingawful and 4chan.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:49:00 - [24]
 

Successful trolling is successful. I'm amazed no one seemed to even look at the name of the op.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.16 01:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
See Reference

The Kennedy family, Marilyn Monroe affair, ted Kennedy, etc.

See also

O.J. Simpson
Casey Anthony
Joan Benet Ramsey family
Al Capone
Bugsy Malone
Congressman Gary Condit and Chandra Levy
KGB


Ok not going to go on but you get the idea.





Fox News viewer spotted!

Queue K'Umber
Posted - 2011.08.16 02:17:00 - [26]
 

Not as good as this.

Try again please.

JC LoveLust
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:15:00 - [27]
 

This is obviously a troll thread as his name is Tyears and he wants to see them about how internet spaceships is run.

Wardec system is to:
1) keep kids in WOW not EVE
2) keep destruction of isk up so the market dosn't flood and the game does not collapse.
3) provide fun in high sec
4) provide Tyears

if anything they should up the cost to create a corp to stop macros from hopping corp every time I dec them. (like 20m instead of 1m)


thanks all, hope more tyears are posted, nom nom nom nom.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:28:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 16/08/2011 03:30:01
Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE? How does that make sense? This is basically bribing the police to break the law, how does that make sense in a society far advanced than ours?


Advanced civilization can have many meanings and has been debated for a long time.
The undisputed bit is that one form of an advanced race means there technology is just that, advanced beyond current levels. CHECK

Now the second bit the bit that has lots of discussion.
Does technology and social development come hand in hand.
And by being a advanced race does that mean they are void of all wars.

Think Klingons and Vulcans.

Now based on the fact that the human race went back to the dark ages in EVE and is basically in a constant state of war.
That Concord was made to protect the masses but does not enforce peace.
Therefore personal disputes are just that personal, and one pays Concord to ignore the parties involved.
As long as it doesn't spill over so to speak, there really is no issue.

Keep in mind, Concord is NOT there to enforce the peace, only to keep a semblance of order.

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2011.08.16 05:49:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Tyears
Seriously, in the real world can you go up to your government and give them some money for them to allow you to kill other people RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE?


Yes. You can also get the police to kill them for you for the right price. Alas, that is not possible in EVE.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:29:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 16/08/2011 07:32:08
Paying off CONCORD to allow killing is something that's always struck me as odd and I wish, at least, the lore in this respect would be changed.

I wouldn't mind seeing the definitions and boundaries of high/low/null being changed. For example:

1.0 to .8 sec: Empire governments and CONCORD assumed to be in total control, no war allowed. The number of these systems would be greatly reduced from the current amount.

.5 to .7: Mega corporations assumed local control and systems are run by corporate law. CONCORD not alerted so long as the proper fees/bribes are paid to controlling corps (mechanically it works like it does now, but CONCORD isn't the one charging the fees). "Smart" interdiction ambush points for war targets only allowed if fees paid (see lowsec below for description of how it would work).

.1 to .4: Currently low sec is only more secure because of gate guns and not allowing bubbles and bombs. I think it's silly that these structures (gates) which are armed and obviously intended to provide some level of protection are dumb enough to allow obvious gate camping. Same with station camps. Doesn't make much sense to me. I'd prefer to see:

* Loitering timer for gate gun aggro. Stick around too long, you're assumed to be camping.
* Same for stations.

"But how do you gank and PvP in low sec???"

Allow people to set up actual ambush points on jump routes away from the guns and stations. Allow for some strategy in navigating and catching prey in low sec. Allow interdiction away from gates and stations. Introduce a new feature to heavy dictors that allows them to interfere with navigation computers and draw near-by prey in mid-warp to their location. Have a countermeasure for this too of course.

To me this would make more sense and keep low sec dangerous without the station games.


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