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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.17 02:12:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day.

Well now I see why you're such an expert on all things relating to nullsec.

Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
Posted - 2011.08.17 02:27:00 - [362]
 

I'm going to call this Rubbish! EVE Online has many clients. We have our PVP side who want to roam many hrs in space, flying many dull mission each nite. Roughly 3hrs spent roaming empty 0.0 space, making between 30 to 60 jumps a night just to kill a shuttle or maybe a hauler full of space junk or maybe even get lucky to find another group doing the same thing (which this is called pvp)

Now we have out NON pvpers, Non believer who do not care about PVP and these folks believe that they live in world called EMPIRE. They been mission running, industrial mining even POS manufacture (researching) for many years. This is normal for EVE Online because your dealing with people who just came out of work and looking to relax!

And we have our whiner who come and whine on EVE ONLINE forums, who complain each day about ISK, Over power ships and of course to complain in anything in general. (this is Trolling) or be trolled by them by joining in their dumb discussions.

TROLL

Rhinanna
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.17 02:50:00 - [363]
 

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Geared towards T2
Our current proposal is that hisec is for volume T1 goods, lowsec will be for meta/faction gear eventually, nullsec is for T2, and wormholes are for T3


Oops, sorry, but we don't want people in high sec doing anything but T1 industry. And no more Meta drops in missions!


How are meta drops part of industry? All this means is that the stuff to make T2 will be more found in null and the stuff to make metas will be found in low, not that its the only place you can build it. CCP haven't suggest removing meta-drops at all.

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Best loot
The best loot in the game should come from nullsec. High-end loot's enforced rarity gives a strong "jackpot" moment and tends towards extremely high values, and nullsec should be where you go to get high-value payouts.


That Pithum C-type Medium shield booster won't be found in high sec sites anymore. Or any good loot for that matter.


Pithum C-type shield booster isn't anywhere near the best loot. Unless you have specific here you are talking out your arse again.

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Best agents
For further discussion. The best agents in the game should all be in nullsec, in keeping with the "richest area in the game" theme. There should be a clear margin of value for nullsec agents that acts as an enticement for mission runners to move there.


No more lvl 4s in high sec it appears. Oops. Sorry mission runners.

Errr, Level 5s? Heard of them? Null-sec pirate agents as well.
Pure scaremongering.

The only thing you got right was ice and that needs a change as its a way too infinate source at the moment.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.17 02:52:00 - [364]
 

I dont mind the changes to highsec, the people who are here are not here for the money, they are here for the safety. I should know, I am a PRVTR and I spend all my time in highsec.

Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
Posted - 2011.08.17 02:58:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
I dont mind the changes to highsec, the people who are here are not here for the money, they are here for the safety. I should know, I am a PRVTR and I spend all my time in highsec.


exactly

Alxea
Posted - 2011.08.17 03:39:00 - [366]
 

Clearly if you don't like pvp, then your in the wrong game. I think you got this game somehow confused with WoW. Its waiting for you! Rolling Eyes

Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:17:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Alxea
Clearly if you don't like pvp, then your in the wrong game. I think you got this game somehow confused with WoW. Its waiting for you! Rolling Eyes


RIFT?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:58:00 - [368]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day. I sold some of my loot from those and reprocessed the rest. The high end minerals that I got from reprocessing of a couple weeks of missioning was barely enough for a T2 cruiser.


I'm still making enough Nocxium from the occasional mission that I loot & salvage to keep me well supplied with Scourge Heavy Missiles. The fact that this is at all possible annoys me, much less the fact that I'm only looting a couple of missions a week!

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:23:00 - [369]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day. I sold some of my loot from those and reprocessed the rest. The high end minerals that I got from reprocessing of a couple weeks of missioning was barely enough for a T2 cruiser.


I'm still making enough Nocxium from the occasional mission that I loot & salvage to keep me well supplied with Scourge Heavy Missiles. The fact that this is at all possible annoys me, much less the fact that I'm only looting a couple of missions a week!


maybe because 100 missiles is only 2 noxcium? so basically 1 drone missions gives enough noxcium for enough scourge missiles to last a month or 2.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:26:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Jasdemi
Lol, carebears are crying like pathetic girls in puberty.
Got about 100 pages to go to equal the Null Bears whines... THOSE were some butt-hurt carebears!

Originally by: Lord Wiggin
Wow. It's really amazing how many people think that this planned nerf is about getting people into 0.0. News flash, they have already nerfed 0.0. It's already a ghosttown now, you think a huge influx of people will help?

This is about money. As far as CCP is concerned, entirely too many people play the game without paying a dime, which means a smaller number of people are supporting the entire game.
If these people get tired of paying big money for a game, CCP will be in trouble.
Based on current plex prices, that may already be happening.

Is it a requirement to be a complete and utter moron to be a Necromonger? For any plex to come in the game, they have to be paid for. Once they are paid for, they = 30 days game time. Nobody "plays for free". Your entire post was based on a mistaken fallacy.

idiot, just like the OP.


Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:43:00 - [371]
 

Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 17/08/2011 05:43:25
All I can say is CCP go ahead with your grand plan. Some carebears may cry and quit, but their number will pale in comparison to those new subscriptions man enough to take a few risks.

Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:56:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 17/08/2011 05:43:25
All I can say is CCP go ahead with your grand plan. Some carebears may cry and quit, but their number will pale in comparison to those new subscriptions man enough to take a few risks.


Yeah because all the world is waiting for some hardcore nullsec PvP action.
The only thing holding them back are a few thousand people playing along in highsec, who just dont give a **** about being forced to be in a PvP environment all the time.

My presumption; after ****ing so many people off with cpu killing Incarna and MT there is not much room for CCP to loose any more customers. And what they are doing now will certainly not get them any new ones.

Bring new content, CCP, dont destroy the old one!

Bruce Kemp
Minmatar
Skull's Reloaded.
Posted - 2011.08.17 05:58:00 - [373]
 

These changes would make EVE great once again,

who cares is we lose 50% of the carebears, Eve would be great once again.

Kurokawa Ryujin
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:09:00 - [374]
 

Dear CCP,

Here is my 2cent. I've played enough other MMOs to know this. Please be aware that, you change the gameplay at your own risk. No matter how you put it, carebears forms majority population in eve universe. Carebear IS THE BACKBONE of Eve. If any of these changes (as listed by Op) is to be implemented. I will be the among the first to be quiting this game. And I won't be the last.

For those pvper, I had enough of your rhetoric bravado's, don't think you don't need us. If you alienate us, there will come a time where there is no longer anybody to play pewpew with you. There will no longer be cheap ship or ammo for you. If worse come to worse, you might even end up flying through empty highsec system like what you are experiencing right now in null-sec. Let's see how you like playing in your little sandbox all by yourselves.


Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:17:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day.

Well now I see why you're such an expert on all things relating to nullsec.
Yes. Because I once did something that has nothing to do with null sec, it means I know nothing about null sec. Brilliant deduction. You’re staying true to your form. Honestly, how do you manage to speak around your foot?

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:21:00 - [376]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes

Originally by: Lord Wiggin
Wow. It's really amazing how many people think that this planned nerf is about getting people into 0.0. News flash, they have already nerfed 0.0. It's already a ghosttown now, you think a huge influx of people will help?

This is about money. As far as CCP is concerned, entirely too many people play the game without paying a dime, which means a smaller number of people are supporting the entire game.
If these people get tired of paying big money for a game, CCP will be in trouble.
Based on current plex prices, that may already be happening.

Is it a requirement to be a complete and utter moron to be a Necromonger? For any plex to come in the game, they have to be paid for. Once they are paid for, they = 30 days game time. Nobody "plays for free". Your entire post was based on a mistaken fallacy.

idiot, just like the OP.




No, he has a point. I get your point. A lot of people don't understand the PLEX economy and think "lolol, I playz for free", but there is a point to be made in concentrating the risk on a smaller population who actually pay real money for the game. One guy/gal who pays for an account and maybe, say 4 PLEX a month quits and the people who were buying those PLEX can't afford to IRL?

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:24:00 - [377]
 

Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 17/08/2011 06:24:00
Originally by: Kurokawa Ryujin
. There will no longer be cheap ship or ammo for you. If worse come to worse, you might even end up flying through empty highsec system like what you are experiencing right now in null-sec. Let's see how you like playing in your little sandbox all by yourselves.



What would we do without the rich content provided by highsec npc corp players?

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:32:00 - [378]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 17/08/2011 06:38:29
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day. I sold some of my loot from those and reprocessed the rest. The high end minerals that I got from reprocessing of a couple weeks of missioning was barely enough for a T2 cruiser.


I'm still making enough Nocxium from the occasional mission that I loot & salvage to keep me well supplied with Scourge Heavy Missiles. The fact that this is at all possible annoys me, much less the fact that I'm only looting a couple of missions a week!

Hey, here’s a fun fact. Nocxium is not a high end mineral. It’s found in high sec. Check out an ore called Pyroxeres. You might also be interested to know that Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon and Isogen are found in high sec and they too are not considered high end minerals. I thought you might like to know.

Also, the volume of minerals required for a cruiser are just a tiny bit more than the amount required for missiles……………..and, oh yeah, Scourge Heavy Missiles aren’t T2.

Good post, though. I mean aside from a few silly facts, you nailed it.

Durty Nell
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:55:00 - [379]
 

Edited by: Durty Nell on 17/08/2011 06:56:09
Edited by: Durty Nell on 17/08/2011 06:55:17
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: saltrock0000
The only reason ccp are doing this is less ISK in game means more cash for them, more people unable to afford PLEX and in return driving the prices up and up.
Eh, no. Less ISK in game means prices on everything go down, including the price of PLEX, and in the end, a PLEX buys you just as much as it does now, so people will buy them at the same volumes to feed their lifestyles.




As you quite rightly pointed out turning the faucet off could increase the value of ISK per unit as the total amount of available ISK decreases.

The only suggested change that could possibly have real impact to this end is the change to ice fields which would in effect be a massive capital/POS nerf to 0.0, Low sec and Empire space alike. This would happen as ice products would be in short supply. Null sec alliances would have no choice but to hoard ice products in their claimed systems otherwise it would create possible problems impacting POS, logistics, moon harvesting, capital production and further to that anyone in Empire space running POS structures would have a hard time acquiring these products at a reasonable price point at all. I’m sure you’re aware of all the possible subtexts of this hence I haven’t covered all possible impacts for the sake of brevity.




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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.17 07:33:00 - [380]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Windjammer
I used to do a lot of L4 missions. Several hours a day.

Well now I see why you're such an expert on all things relating to nullsec.
Yes. Because I once did something that has nothing to do with null sec, it means I know nothing about null sec. Brilliant deduction. You’re staying true to your form. Honestly, how do you manage to speak around your foot?


It also seems that you are an expert at posting badly. It must be nice to speak with such authority.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.08.17 09:43:00 - [381]
 

I really want to see :

- how much CAP and POS gonna be out of fuel without the empire "icecarebear".
- how the rig market will react
- how the ammo market will react too (think about your precious Republic Fleet EMP and Caldari Navy Scourge)
- How you gonna pimp your Tengu

Hi-sec bear provide an huge effort to let you play your game style.

I'm not sure that everybody will go in null sec, just because some of us dont want add other source of stress (some of us got a life, job, kids, wife) and arent ready to listen some stuff like "****in*g ******ed z*on of b*iatch you have again loose your mack".

There's so many reason why ppl want apply in large alliance :
- mandatory CTA with 4 hours of waiting and finally nothing because hostile have too much supers on field
- tax
- rules for ratting
- due to RL obligation some of us must logoff without worring about 'does i have aggro timer'
- madatory fitting (player : 'but i cant fitt that' / FC : 'so you logg of and dont farm')



Raynohr
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.17 10:38:00 - [382]
 

ccp will loose more players form this then from nex rage, mark my words.

WeirdNoise
Caldari
tagueuletoi
Posted - 2011.08.17 10:46:00 - [383]
 

Edited by: WeirdNoise on 17/08/2011 11:10:23
posted before reading the thread.

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:12:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Kurokawa Ryujin
Dear CCP,

There will no longer be cheap ship or ammo for you. If worse come to worse, you might even end up flying through empty highsec system like what you are experiencing right now in null-sec.




To be honest, I miss the days when a 1400mm Howi was 12mil a pop and a hulk was 400mil, it made sure that not every 3 month old clueless newbie was flying **** he should better not fly. And empty high sec systems ) Dont see a problem either, more free production slots in stations and more Ore in the belts.


Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:51:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Kurokawa Ryujin
Dear CCP,

There will no longer be cheap ship or ammo for you. If worse come to worse, you might even end up flying through empty highsec system like what you are experiencing right now in null-sec.




To be honest, I miss the days when a 1400mm Howi was 12mil a pop and a hulk was 400mil, it made sure that not every 3 month old clueless newbie was flying **** he should better not fly. And empty high sec systems ) Dont see a problem either, more free production slots in stations and more Ore in the belts.




This.

To hell with high sec peeps. They want to keep making 40m an hour (plus LP), without taking a single risk in the game. EVE is a fricking PVP game. CCP, play hardball, you'll lose some customers, but you'll gain more in the long run. And it doesn't have to be even that harsh, nor change a thing in high sec! Increase the reward in low sec and null. Once you've done that, whatever ISK people make in high sec will be pointless, since null-space residents determine the Jita prices, not the high sec population.

Sure, the cost of stuff will increase. But even high sec manufacturers will like it, since they will have a higher profit for their products.

Admiral Leviathan
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:56:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Bronden Neopatus
Originally by: Iron Breaker

If they do this CCP will likely lose half of their suscribers; the half who are not interested in PvP. All of the stuff that was discussed seemes to involve getting peole out into low & null sec. I, and a lot of other people are not interested in PvP, which seems to be something CCP cannot understand. Trying to force us to do something we do not want to do, and expecting us to pay $15 for it, seems like a poor business model. Rolling Eyes


This, which means OP is full of bull. The devblog is about nullsec evolution, not about "let's tell half our suscribers that they can pretty much go play another game".

It's like the neverending "move X to lowsec" nonsense, or how risking 100 ISK to get 1 should be appealing to any carebear with half a functioning brain just because they tell you so.Rolling Eyes

Wanna see people in lowsec? Make those Lvl 5 missions worth 150 million a piece & have the agents hand out only 1 each 24 hours per corporation and/or player.


They are already worth about half that ammount and are handed out as fast as you can complete them. Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.

Bodega Cat
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:59:00 - [387]
 

Imagine for a second, you are an industrial minded player. You have a hulk and you spend the majority of your time mining. This is an experience you find enjoyable and what you tend to do with your minerals once you're done is you take them to Jita to sell. This is how you make your living in eve. One day you are out mining, and 4 Thrashers show up while your taking a sip of coke, lock you, and suicide kill you.

This is something that typically happens, and it sucks for the hulk who got ganked, but bare with me....

Because what people CANNOT imagine, is that the ore they sell in jita, gets bought by a manufacturer who makes ammo. That ammo manufacturer sells his ammo in jita too, and on a particularly fateful day, 4 guys bought thrashers, and bought ammo from the dealer who used a miners minerals to make bullets, and then those 4 thrasher pilots went out and killed the guy who had a hand in the very arms they are using to slay him.

My point is... Everything in EVE is "versus other players". Period. I don't care if you are a 0.0 alliance mogel, a wormholer, or an empire miner, everything any of us do is at the expense of someone else thats doing something as well.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:00:00 - [388]
 

CCP in "Moving All The Macro Ice Miners To Where Nobody Can See Them" non shocker.

No more of those pesky petitions to deal with!

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:26:00 - [389]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 17/08/2011 14:39:16
Edited by: Signal11th on 17/08/2011 14:29:11

Originally by: Rikeka
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Kurokawa Ryujin
Dear CCP,

There will no longer be cheap ship or ammo for you. If worse come to worse, you might even end up flying through empty highsec system like what you are experiencing right now in null-sec.




To be honest, I miss the days when a 1400mm Howi was 12mil a pop and a hulk was 400mil, it made sure that not every 3 month old clueless newbie was flying **** he should better not fly. And empty high sec systems ) Dont see a problem either, more free production slots in stations and more Ore in the belts.




This.

To hell with high sec peeps. They want to keep making 40m an hour (plus LP), without taking a single risk in the game. EVE is a fricking PVP game. CCP, play hardball, you'll lose some customers, but you'll gain more in the long run. And it doesn't have to be even that harsh, nor change a thing in high sec! Increase the reward in low sec and null. Once you've done that, whatever ISK people make in high sec will be pointless, since null-space residents determine the Jita prices, not the high sec population.

Sure, the cost of stuff will increase. But even high sec manufacturers will like it, since they will have a higher profit for their products.


Although your post's are usually ok.....I have to take umbrage with the above statement.
Since when is EVE a "PVP" (as in a ship against ship if this isn;t what you mean't I apologise) game? Although I dread the thought of even venturing anywhere near high-sec Eve is a sandbox game, you do what "you" want to do. You want to have fun in 0.0 and low-sec you do it, you want to mine all day you do it. You want to earn money all day in high-sec it's your choice.
You have to realise that although people in 0.0 shout the loudest and have a unreasonble amount of clout in the EVE world they are actually a minority of the playerbase.

Personally myself I would like to able to shoot the hell out of anyone I please where ever they are but unfortunately those are not the rules. I've spent the last 2 years in 0.0 and tbh until your sort out the issues of one or two allainces or coalition of alliances ruling pretty much 75% of the map you will not get guys from highsec going into 0.0.
People want to work and earn for themselves not to work and earn just to fill someone elses wallet.
(it's bad enough with have to do that in the real world let alone in a virtual world where "we" are supossed to be making the rules)

I do believe though there should be no faction goodies in high sec at all only low-sec or below. You want the shiny goodies you should be taking some risk.

Ishabell Solario
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:52:00 - [390]
 

"Since when is EVE a "PVP" game? Although I dread the thought of even venturing anywhere near high-sec Eve is a sandbox game, you do what "you" want to do. You want to have fun in 0.0 and low-sec you do it, you want to mine all day you do it. You want to earn money all day in high-sec it's your choice.
You have to realise that although people in 0.0 shout the loudest and have a unreasonble amount of clout in the EVE world they are actually a minority of the playerbase."

+1 for this
You can't advertise EVE as a game where you can choose your career path & then take a huff because people don't choose the path you thought they would/should take.


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