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Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:24:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Ana Vyr
If the OP is correct, the proposed changes are a game-killer for me.


hmm how strange. will be 100% oppisite for me..

I would welcome the chance to be able to build t2 ships without there being a tech bottle-neck in the game.

imo thisis a long awaited change to the game.
Whatís stopping you from building T2 ships? If you canít do it now, thereís nothing in the proposals that is going to allow you to do it later.

Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:31:00 - [272]
 

Cause nobody mines trit in null sec. They can't be bothered, too busy hunting BILLION isk officer mods.

chicoree
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:35:00 - [273]
 

If this is true, then it seems like CCP is laying the final blow on EVE.

Dusty Warrior
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:48:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
Really?

Is that the only response you 0.0 carebears can give? Every time someone says something negative about 0.0 the response is that we don't understand.


Yes, really. When the same ignorant statements are made about nullsec from people who don't live there, have never lived there and never plan on living there then it's clear that the people making them don't understand how nullsec works. Especially when it comes to Windjammer...he has an axe to grind and an obvious agenda so nobody should be taking anything he says seriously.


I have no idea the experience windjammer might or might not have in 0.0. I speak for myself and have extensive experience living in 0.0.

However, in your delusional world of 0.0 living you think you and anyone who lives in 0.0 has an entitlement to change lo/hi/wh space to cater to you?

It's abundantly clear some of the members of the present CSM and posters here are totally clueless to the mechanics of some parts of EVE, yet they still try to change something they have no clue about.

What surprises me is that you 0.0 carebears still believe in the delusion that you make up the majority of the playerbase.

Amazing!

Anywhoo... whatever floats your boat.

Not even sure why I'm responding to someone in an alliance that idolizes noob griefing via so called security deposits, full api requirements and suggesting noobs to contract over their assets only to steal said assets because you fail in everything else but the lowest form of EVE play.

Guess I'll say it again, whatever floats your boat.

Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:53:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Can any of you other Goon forum Ho's get that Wannabe Lawyer Mutten's..erm Mippens...anyway it doesn't matter, he makes BILLIONS of isk per day off us. That's all the abuse I need....for now.

Very truly yours,

Lady Spanks main (twisted pervert)

Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:56:00 - [276]
 

you carebears are hilarious. first of all, none of this will happen in your lifetime. second of all, the proposed changes would be good for the game, and despite their potential outcome (which will never happen), high sec missioning and t1 ore mining will still have a place due to its decent payouts coupled with the repetition granted such a bear due to the safety of empire.

high sec bears, lol. what's funny though is that this thread will not be anywhere near the level of the null-sec bear threadnaught.

Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:56:00 - [277]
 

Wake up, CCP, are great deal of your fanbase loves and enjoys high sec activities in relative safety.
This active, valuable and paying part of your game community is fed up with being belittled and treatet as second class gamers.

And definetly FED UP with being forced to go to nullsec!

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:08:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
Cause nobody mines trit in null sec. They can't be bothered, too busy hunting BILLION isk officer mods.
Why would anyone mine trit in a belt where anyone can kill you at a moment's notice when they're competing against people who can mine trit 23/7 because they don't have to worry about being attacked? When additionally, those competitors' product are merely a couple of jump freighter trips away.

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:25:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: ShahFluffers
Edited by: ShahFluffers on 16/08/2011 04:05:17
Originally by: Windjammer
CCP feels that the reason more people arenít in null is there isnít enough profit in null compared to high sec. The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenít in null because they donít want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.



THIS, THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!!


+1

i work in nul, but live in highsec. why? because the cost of having to deal with the drama and the requirements to just move around takes the fun out of the game. i do not want to have to go through the player created hell of being in a nulsec alliance. all i want is to come on my computer when i get home and play. talk to some corpmates jump through a WH do our thing and leave. thats it.

CCP can do what every they like to nul, but sadly for many of us, its the players that ruin the experience.

Phelan Votronski
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:45:00 - [280]
 

10/10 OP

Though lolbears are traditionally easy to bait and Greyscale gave you a really nice forward pass.

Now can people please remember that hisec has pretty much been buffed and buffed again for 5 years straight? Just recently they introduced incursions which (or so they say) allows for a much better income than even lvl4.

They're not going to nerf hisec. Not even one tiny bit. It's all smoke and mirrors to make nullbears feel special and cover up how very little content the coming 0.0 changes really have. The idea of everyone else getting a huge nerf down the road will string them along for the next two years. Just wait and see.


Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:45:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: Hecatonis
+1

i work in nul, but live in highsec. why? because the cost of having to deal with the drama and the requirements to just move around takes the fun out of the game. i do not want to have to go through the player created hell of being in a nulsec alliance. all i want is to come on my computer when i get home and play. talk to some corpmates jump through a WH do our thing and leave. thats it.

CCP can do what every they like to nul, but sadly for many of us, its the players that ruin the experience.
You can still do that while grinding level 3 missions instead of 4s in Empire, problem solved.

catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.08.16 08:28:00 - [282]
 

The dev blog is a collection of ideas , and you are invited to give your own feedback
So if you feel strongly toward it i suggest. To go and post your own opinion about those ideas

Reading those feed backs i get the feeling. That alot of the industrial/mining reforms are not taken positive
Some of the other ideas i can support but not the idusteial/ mining reforms

So go and post your feedback

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.16 08:35:00 - [283]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
Really?

Is that the only response you 0.0 carebears can give? Every time someone says something negative about 0.0 the response is that we don't understand.


Yes, really. When the same ignorant statements are made about nullsec from people who don't live there, have never lived there and never plan on living there then it's clear that the people making them don't understand how nullsec works. Especially when it comes to Windjammer...he has an axe to grind and an obvious agenda so nobody should be taking anything he says seriously.


And yet you offer no other reasoning as to why he knows nothing about nullsec, The mega alliances of 0.0 is what ccp needs to sort out to get the small corp and small alliances into 0.0 at the moment you either have to be pets or renters which to alot of people isn't acceptable hence they will not go into 0.0 at the moment.

It's better to be thought the fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt, which is sadly a phrase you goons should really think about when you post.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.08.16 08:46:00 - [284]
 

Yes, good ideas, make 0.0 more attractive...like lets say, give them some form of anomaly to make ****loads of isk.

Then watch as everyone and his 5 alts join 0.0 to make said isk. Then watch CCP-economists break out in tears as inflation skyrockets out of control, and lets watch how the emergency NERF turns out.

0.0 is profitable because FEW PPL ARE THERE in relation to the large populus living in lesser valuable space.
BUT...the higher income in 0.0 should not be visible at first glance, or everyone will want to do it.

But hey, go on and repeat your mistakes.

Aramatheia
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:04:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 15/08/2011 14:30:42
For all the risk vs. reward posters:

How much isk do you actually lose through combat and the threat of combat in a week?

My, admittedly limited, experience of null is that people will lose ships now and again, which is hardly surprising since people go to null SO THEY CAN PVP, but not with the kind of regularity that causes any serious financial impact (most fleet losses also get reimbursed by alliances from the vast isk flow from that ultra high risk activity, moon-mining). So, I can see the need to have some extra cool stuff in null to compensate for the limited risks. But the idea that people who want to spend their time PvPing should receive huge rewards for doing what they already want to do, and that all those who don't want to PvP should be penalised for wanting to play the game their own way seems like a steaming crock of **** to me.

Of course, if someone can enlighten me on the great burdens and sufferings that I neither experienced in null nor ever had mentioned to me by those friends of mine who have spent many years there, I would greatly appreciate the lesson. In my, again, limited experience the thing that nullsec dwellers tend to whine about are their alliance hierarchies and, demands and CTA's, not the risk.


this post is another great way to categorize the difference in viewpoint postings on this highsec vs low/null topic.

Those who dont see the need to have EVERYTHING as "your ship will be blow up no challenge no chance go die now" as would be the case if there was no highsec are able to type well crafted and thoughtfull posts. With sentences, paragraphs and punctuation.

Those on the other side... just use silly 2 year old name calling in thier mishmash 15-word-tops posts.

Anyways lol... I'd be fine with pvp EVERYWHERE if you werent garanteed to lose everything (unless you were good, well equiped and had alot of SP). Some people want the act of stepping out of any station in any security space to grant them instant rights to kill you over and over (discarding wardecs cause thats what a wardec does!). This however is not Halo. Players DO NOT res with new guns, ammo and full health/shields. Every ship loss is gone forever and killing pods furthers the loss.

What people want is the ability to do certain things with a degree of safety. In eve there is no rules against a player in a rubbish ship jamming logis in incursions or outright killing them or the infamous hulk suicide kills. Those have a sufference (often limited if any) to the pvper and to the victim. Highsec space is also unsafe if wardecced as it should be.

Low/null i havent been too and currently have no plans to do so But who knows the pvp bug might infect me yet. From what i understand lvl 5 missions already exist in null/low, maybe they could move lvl 5's to low away from stations and have lvl 6 missions in null sec as a higher tier of valuable mission/loot income for the high risk inhabitants. Also maybe boost the value further of low/null incursions. Also perhaps they could increase the yield on pvp drops in low/nullsec. Lower the sec rating the more gear that may survive a ships destruction?

I'm not against low/null sec, but i wouldnt support moving pve all into the pvp realm. Purely pvp games already exist and they work, cause they operate on viable and long term principles (dying isnt the loss of everything).

I would support further boosting of the value of low/null offer pve options out there of greater worth (much greater?) with loot and rewards appropriate.

Leave highsec space as it is. Oh except the mining that can be nerfed in highsec. Its easy enough to make cash on veldspar, dont need rare stuff in highsec.

*switches on hardeners* Kiddy Name Call hits Aramatheia for 0.0. She is immune! /cheer

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:15:00 - [286]
 

Awsum thread, lots of idiots argueing over stuff that probably never will hit Tranq. High sec bears in epic fear of there ISK/hour ratio maybe dropping and Null sec bears in rage over the richness of high sec.

Would read again.


Neurotica
Abh Empire
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:49:00 - [287]
 

same old issues IMO, and CCP stil putting subscriptions over gameplay.

QUALITY not quanity CCP, sigh...

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:07:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Originally by: Hecatonis
+1

i work in nul, but live in highsec. why? because the cost of having to deal with the drama and the requirements to just move around takes the fun out of the game. i do not want to have to go through the player created hell of being in a nulsec alliance. all i want is to come on my computer when i get home and play. talk to some corpmates jump through a WH do our thing and leave. thats it.

CCP can do what every they like to nul, but sadly for many of us, its the players that ruin the experience.
You can still do that while grinding level 3 missions instead of 4s in Empire, problem solved.
Yeah. Until the leet PVPers start whining about having level 3's removed from hi sec because easy targets are still not flocking into their gatecamps.


Neurotica
Abh Empire
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:14:00 - [289]
 

Why gate damage should be not linear.

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:26:00 - [290]
 

Lol, carebears are crying like pathetic girls in puberty.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:28:00 - [291]
 

A heap of good intentions, but in the end we all know CCP will **** it up beyond belief, getting nowhere near their desired goals Laughing

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:30:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: Phelan Votronski

Now can people please remember that hisec has pretty much been buffed and buffed again for 5 years straight? Just recently they introduced incursions which (or so they say) allows for a much better income than even lvl4.



There are incursions in null and low too if you hadn't noticed, it's not like they're a highsec only activity.

Thorn Galen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:48:00 - [293]
 

Carebear facts.

1. A "Carebear" is someone who wants to play this game.
2. Contrary to local forum belief, Carebears live in High and Low sec.
3. You are automatically labelled a carebear if you enjoy the game without partaking in Pvp.
4. If you do not do pvp, you are a carebear.
5. If you're not a "Carebear", I don't care.
6. I don't care if this sandbox is just two inches deep and full of pizz (as mentioned in some other post), it's a sandbox and I am paying to play in it the way I want to play it, not the way you want me to play it.
It's my time, my money, my entertainment, trying to force me to pvp is like trying to force me to watch a movie I do not like.
7. Throwing your toys out of your cot just because I prefer HiSec and refuse to go peeveepee you is not going to make me peeveepee you.
8. Carebears are now pathetic teenage girls ? ROFL!! You have huge issues, whoever you are. I think you have a monocle stuck sideways up your chutney chute with an attitude like that.

'Nuff said.

List goes on, but I'm tired of walls.

Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:49:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Phelan Votronski

Now can people please remember that hisec has pretty much been buffed and buffed again for 5 years straight? Just recently they introduced incursions which (or so they say) allows for a much better income than even lvl4.



There are incursions in null and low too if you hadn't noticed, it's not like they're a highsec only activity.


In case you didn't notice, in 0.0 everyone can just shoot each other, no 50 random people will join a fleet.

Thinking that this might or should happen is not a possibility, it's ******ed.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:03:00 - [295]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 16/08/2011 12:04:02
Originally by: Phelan Votronski
Though lolbears are traditionally easy to bait and Greyscale gave you a really nice forward pass.

Now can people please remember that hisec has pretty much been buffed and buffed again for 5 years straight? Just recently they introduced incursions which (or so they say) allows for a much better income than even lvl4.


Nullsec also have same Incursions with omgwtf rare drop of Sansha supercapital. This is not enough for you?

Also who is talking about lolbears? My industrial alt have more kills than you (since you have zero) so please stfu and gtfo, nullbear ugh

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:33:00 - [296]
 

The problem with many high sec players is that they have an impression or vision what low sec and null sec are while the reality is very very different.

The perception is that everyone there is trying to kill you, they are all bad ass 100 million point characters and are eagerly looking for victims by the hundreds of thousands.

Here is the reality.

First off, null sec is practically an empty wasteland. I have spent hours looking for someone ... anyone in null sec more times than I care to admit.

Second. Everyone in null sec assumes three things about you right off the bat. 1. That you know what your doing and your a PvPer. 2. That you have friends waiting around the corner and you being their alone is some kind of trap. 3. That the odds are most likely in your favor.

Why? Becaue people flying in null sec don't want to get blown up anymore than you do.

Ya their are large alliances out their hugging their asteroids and on occassion they squable but its not the all out gank fest everyone things it is. Hell I feel a hell of a lot safer in null sec they I do in Jitta, now thats a freaking dangerous place.

All I'm saying here is that this perception of null and low sec as being some sort of area filled with uber pirates who always have everyone outgunned is a comfplete falicy.

I took my 4 day old alt and three of my friends who are all 4 day old characters out into low sec last night for some PvE in frigates. We ran up on a Dramiel and Hurricane piloted by 3 year old characters. In PvE fittings those guys ran from us like chumps as soon as we locked them and started firing.

How did this happen? Simple. They where just like us. Just a group of guys out in low sec trying to make a buck.. We found each other and me and my friends acted like we knew what we where doing and tackled them like pirates. They had to assume we where a bunch of bad ass vets booked and ran. Later they realized we where nubs and started hunting us but the point Im trying to make is that the cowardice and victim mentality of high sec players is really what ensures that PvP players always win.. A player doing level 4 missions solo in a Navy Megatron or whatever is a real freaking threat in low and null sec and the presumption that you are just a victim is just silly. You are indeed a bad ass and can take on a lot of what is out their.

Skill points are meaningless.. in Eve its all about attitude and calculated risk. Show some balls and you will find all these pirate corps and pvpers talk a big game but in the end the only advantage they have over you is they took the time to learn whats what out there and thats really not that hard to do.

Its all just perceptions. Things are not at all what people in high sec think they are.

Lonox
Gallente
Hilmar is Lord
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:36:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
Cause nobody mines trit in null sec. They can't be bothered, too busy hunting BILLION isk officer mods.
Why would anyone mine trit in a belt where anyone can kill you at a moment's notice when they're competing against people who can mine trit 23/7 because they don't have to worry about being attacked? When additionally, those competitors' product are merely a couple of jump freighter trips away.


Oh boo hoo! You guys have it so tough out there, what with being able to run multiple jump freighters back and forth filled with high-ends to buy our ill-gotten lowly trit. You poor little things. There's a reason your morons are bored. You can throw down and lose hundreds of billions worth of supercaps and titans without breaking a sweat. Maybe if anything you people did out there actually mattered anymore, you wouldn't have all this time to obsess over what everyone else was doing. Seriously, it's unhealthy. Laughing You people think you're actually helping your case when you brag about how much you blew up today but you're only making our case for us.

Maybe when the loud minority failquit whiners realise that you don't matter anymore and that none of this is actually going to happen, you'll finally actually quit. Laughing Your time is up, carebears rule eve now and we demand ponies and handholding! Your fail troll threads and posts were funny at first but now it's just pathetic to watch. "Hey guys! Look at us! Look what we're doing out here!" "Uh guys?! Come on guys! Look! Please? Please look at us." LaughingLaughingLaughing What eve needs is more boots, more pants and gold ammo.

Ok, in this next scene, you realise I'm right and you are mad. Action! LaughingLaughingLaughing

spyor
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:47:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Thorn Galen
Carebear facts.

1. A "Carebear" is someone who wants to play this game.
2. Contrary to local forum belief, Carebears live in High and Low sec.
3. You are automatically labelled a carebear if you enjoy the game without partaking in Pvp.
4. If you do not do pvp, you are a carebear.
5. If you're not a "Carebear", I don't care.
6. I don't care if this sandbox is just two inches deep and full of pizz (as mentioned in some other post), it's a sandbox and I am paying to play in it the way I want to play it, not the way you want me to play it.
It's my time, my money, my entertainment, trying to force me to pvp is like trying to force me to watch a movie I do not like.
7. Throwing your toys out of your cot just because I prefer HiSec and refuse to go peeveepee you is not going to make me peeveepee you.
8. Carebears are now pathetic teenage girls ? ROFL!! You have huge issues, whoever you are. I think you have a monocle stuck sideways up your chutney chute with an attitude like that.

'Nuff said.

List goes on, but I'm tired of walls.


This... been there done it, don't have time to fanny about waiting for corp/alliance to get its ass in gear to play!

catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:04:00 - [299]
 

Originally by: Jasdemi
Lol, carebears are crying like pathetic girls in puberty.

You you are a idiot sir
It is likeanother post on here
I pay and play this game how I like to play it not how you like. Me to play this game
My money , my time my entertainment

Timeto Die
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:11:00 - [300]
 

Take away bubbles from 0.0 and I might attempt to venture there.

I never managed to scoot into 0.0 without guaranteed certain insta-pop death even in a shuttle.

One problem is that the CSM are obviously going to be well weighted to the hardcore, not the casual.

I'm not willing to make Eve into a second job. When I do mine ice on occasion in high sec for a relaxing couple of hours, you know how much I make? Not much. Not much risk, not much reward really.

In one line: I want to casually play when I want, how I want. Thanks.



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