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Epsilon Aspire
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:29:00 - [1]
 

Ok so I donít post on forums a lot but I have just looked at the latest Dev blog from Greyscale and yeah great I donít live in 0.0 so what he has listed doesnít affect me directly but looks interesting I guess

BUT and itís a big fat BUTT, CCP Greyscale you say

ďOnce again, please be very clear in your mind that this is where we want to go in the long term, and the caveats about how much we're likely to get done in five years etc still apply. Hopefully the amount of stuff in here will also make it clearer why we're saying "more than five years": for example, those few bullet points under "exploration" mean replacing all of the exploration content that's been developed in the past five years.Ē

And

ďAlso, to repeat a thing from earlier in big letters, THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN. Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen. This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.Ē


Ok fair enough at least you told the people it will effect not to expect it next week thatís fine, my question to CCP (not that it will get answered) is

WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON RIGHT NOW?

Give us a Blog hell just give us a list in this thread or whatever but just tell us what you are actually doing right now please no CCP replies of ďwell right now I am eating my lunchĒ.

What are the EvE devís working on right now, what are the QA department testing, what is actually happening. You seem to only want to tell us what might happen or what you would like to implement and not what you are actually doing, so please give us a list,

If I have missed such a list can someone link it for meÖ.

Eps

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:39:00 - [2]
 

Dust514, WoD, and new clothes and items you can buy $$. What else would they be working on? Spaceships? This is Sims in Space now.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:48:00 - [3]
 

Ya I have to admit, I always try to stay positive about Eve, but with this blog I felt a bit .. empty. Not really seeing what showing us a 5+ year roadmap has to do with answering the literly on fire questions everyone is looking to get answered and the blazing issues people are looking fixes for.

I mean its all well and good, but the big question I have right now is what is going to happen in the next month, not in the next 5+ years.

Epsilon Aspire
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Thornat
Ya I have to admit, I always try to stay positive about Eve, but with this blog I felt a bit .. empty. Not really seeing what showing us a 5+ year roadmap has to do with answering the literly on fire questions everyone is looking to get answered and the blazing issues people are looking fixes for.

I mean its all well and good, but the big question I have right now is what is going to happen in the next month, not in the next 5+ years.


My Thoughts exactly....

Eps

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:01:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/08/2011 12:04:45
Originally by: Epsilon Aspire

WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON RIGHT NOW?



Well, 5 years to implement changes to null, IDK. Sounds like another "18 months" blog but this time they're saying "60 months".

Obviously what CCP is working on is not Eve. CCP isn't going to tell you all they're working on so that everyone can rage about all they're not working on Eve. Whatever. Effectively, Eve development is dead. I'd say Incursions was probably the last developmental push specific to Eve. I don't include Incarna because it's obviously an alpha implementation of WoD. I don't consider MT items found in the NeX to be content as my industry inflated sub that I pay doesn't allow me to participate in it, nor do I consider it a loss.

Although, many people don't want to believe it, the introduction of MT into a game that wasn't designed from the ground up to utilize, is most assuredly a sign the end has already come and gone. New "features" will become a shell game as such features will basically be rehashing/fixing old ideas but, instead will be noted as "New" in the patch notes. We'll get "new" faction tower BPC drops, "new" features that actually fix horrible implementations - see role management, POS management, corp hangers/maint arrays, etc, etc, etc. And, we'll get all these "new" features at ever decreasing frequency just enough so that CCP can say that Eve is still being developed - see SGW.

Honestly, I don't think CCP even cares anymore. Their treatment of the playerbase, the lack of communication, the leaked communications debasing the playerbase makes it painfully obvious. This is the kind of treatment one expects from their cell phone provider or internet provider to which there is no customer loyalty because their is no loyalty to the customers from the company, only the desire for the cheapest most reliable service. TBH, I'm quickly losing my zeal for the game due in large part to the last couple of months watching CCP dealing with it's customers as if they're livestock.

Epsilon Aspire
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/08/2011 12:04:45
Originally by: Epsilon Aspire

WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON RIGHT NOW?



Well, 5 years to implement changes to null, IDK. Sounds like another "18 months" blog but this time they're saying "60 months".

Obviously what CCP is working on is not Eve. CCP isn't going to tell you all they're working on so that everyone can rage about all they're not working on Eve. Whatever. Effectively, Eve development is dead. I'd say Incursions was probably the last developmental push specific to Eve. I don't include Incarna because it's obviously an alpha implementation of WoD. I don't consider MT items found in the NeX to be content as my industry inflated sub that I pay doesn't allow me to participate in it, nor do I consider it a loss.

Although, many people don't want to believe it, the introduction of MT into a game that wasn't designed from the ground up to utilize, is most assuredly a sign the end has already come and gone. New "features" will become a shell game as such features will basically be rehashing/fixing old ideas but, instead will be noted as "New" in the patch notes. We'll get "new" faction tower BPC drops, "new" features that actually fix horrible implementations - see role management, POS management, corp hangers/maint arrays, etc, etc, etc. And, we'll get all these "new" features at ever decreasing frequency just enough so that CCP can say that Eve is still being developed - see SGW.

Honestly, I don't think CCP even cares anymore. Their treatment of the playerbase, the lack of communication, the leaked communications debasing the playerbase makes it painfully obvious. This is the kind of treatment one expects from their cell phone provider or internet provider to which there is no customer loyalty because their is no loyalty to the customers from the company, only the desire for the cheapest most reliable service. TBH, I'm quickly losing my zeal for the game due in large part to the last couple of months watching CCP dealing with it's customers as if they're livestock.


Unfortunately, its pains me to say it, but agreed Crying or Very sad

Eps

CCP Prism X


Gallente
C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:22:00 - [7]
 

I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject Wink).

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job. As it stands I'm quite content with my job security because I've never heard of any plans to close EVE-Software, EVE-QA, EVE-Content or any other EVE specific departments (which is a very decent % of the entire company).

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink

At any rate, this is the best I can do to alleviate your worries. Worries are really annoying, especially when you have no way of verifying whether you should be worrying or not in the first place. I hope it helps.

The Old Chap
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:26:00 - [8]
 

CCP appear to be playing a very risky game right now. They seem to have totally stopped investing in their only marketable product and have put all their development into future, unproven stuff on a completely different platform. My guess is that they're racing to get the new stuff bringing in revenue before EVE fades away through lack of attention.

The negative player response to Captain's Quarters will proabaly just have deepened their resolve to get another revenue stream up and running as their utmost priority. They'll have their fingers very tightly crossed that EVE retains enough life in it (ie: subscriptions coming in) to bridge the gap.

The trouble is, CCP seem to have given up on investing in EVE before their player base has. That's a real shame, because with a little TLC it would (and should) be a good runner for years to come. Now that '18 months time' seems to be being quoted as '5 years time', it kinda makes my heart sink.

Epsilon Aspire
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject Wink).

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job. As it stands I'm quite content with my job security because I've never heard of any plans to close EVE-Software, EVE-QA, EVE-Content or any other EVE specific departments (which is a very decent % of the entire company).

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink

At any rate, this is the best I can do to alleviate your worries. Worries are really annoying, especially when you have no way of verifying whether you should be worrying or not in the first place. I hope it helps.


Thank you for your reply, TBH I wasnít expecting a blue post in any form.

I understand that as a non PR person you canít say too much but if what you say is correct, and for the record, I do not doubt what you say for a second, but wouldnít it be possible for someone, anyone to just make a quick list of current projects that are underway.

When I say underway I mean being developed/tested right now there must be something you guys are working on that isnít top secret and can tell us about?

Thanks again for your reply,

Eps

The Old Chap
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Epsilon Aspire
Originally by: CCP Prism X
I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject Wink).

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job. As it stands I'm quite content with my job security because I've never heard of any plans to close EVE-Software, EVE-QA, EVE-Content or any other EVE specific departments (which is a very decent % of the entire company).

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink

At any rate, this is the best I can do to alleviate your worries. Worries are really annoying, especially when you have no way of verifying whether you should be worrying or not in the first place. I hope it helps.


Thank you for your reply, TBH I wasnít expecting a blue post in any form.

I understand that as a non PR person you canít say too much but if what you say is correct, and for the record, I do not doubt what you say for a second, but wouldnít it be possible for someone, anyone to just make a quick list of current projects that are underway.

When I say underway I mean being developed/tested right now there must be something you guys are working on that isnít top secret and can tell us about?

Thanks again for your reply,

Eps


My previous post overlapped with CCP Prism X's, so thanks for the response. Personally I'm not worried about EVE being closed down whilst DUST & WoD are still in negative cashflow, that just doesn't make any sense. BUT there's a big difference between simply keeping EVE on 'life support' coupled with using it as a test-bed for DUST & WoD functionality, as mopposed to continuing to invest in EVE as a viable long-term product in its own right.

Like the OP, and I speak as a player with unbroken subs since May 2003, I'd like to see something concrete in terms of short-term commitment rather than an ever-extending interpretation of SOON. It's the spectre of 'nothing about spaceship pew-pew' that has us worried.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.15 13:52:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/08/2011 13:56:31
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/08/2011 13:54:10
Originally by: CCP Prism X
I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about.


Public relations is synonymous with political double speak, neither is trustworthy.

Quote:

No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity.



We have no expectation that you limit yourself. However, putting Eve in a closet and taking it out to dabble with it when it's time to feed the livestock is also not acceptable.

Quote:

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job.



No offense is meant, but database development doesn't exactly mean "content" development. I may have preconceived of ideas of a database programmer, IDK. Correct me if I'm wrong. But, I would expect you're part of the personnel responsible for maintaining Eve, not developing it unless there is something the database(s) need to do to accommodate content?

Quote:

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink



I don't think you're joking. I think you saw a post that you wanted to address as best you could. That's admirable. Unfortunately, as is most always the case with CCP. Responses come in the form of employees who "can't talk about it", who "it's not their place to say" or who say "I am not qualified to speak of specifics". The only time we get close to the truth, it seems is from leaked newsletters and emails.

The only way any of us could even hope to take what the employees say as gospel would be for CCP to publish a road map of where it's going with Eve, with specific and hard deadlines which would be met. We would have to be able to ignore what you say and instead pay attention to what you do. See, CCP doesn't suffer from immature, demanding, infantile customers, although there are many out there. What it suffers from is a lack of credibility. CCP's problem with respect to it's customers cannot be alleviated with promises, guarantees or free aurum. CCP can only improve it's customer relations through repair by actually stating something, doing it, fixing it when it is obviously wrong and broken. But, instead what we have is CCP saying it's going to do something at a certain time. That time comes and passes. At some later unspecified time it might get done. Then when it's obviously broken, like a child easily bored, CCP moves on to the next shiny thing. All the while CCP dangles the hope of re-addressing the problems similarly like a child tormenting his pet to frustration and eventually anger.

Honestly, CCP in relation to its customers has too many problems to talk it's way back into good graces. This is what becomes of your long term customers...they become bittervets. I suppose for those who are able to throw tens of thousands of dollars at the game and those who reap rewards from the RMT that is allowed to run rampant might have a different perspective. But for those of us who actually play the game to accomplish any sort of achievement....yeah....we just become bittervets.

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2011.08.15 13:58:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/08/2011 13:59:10
I'm expecting to be writing the "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter" blog in the next week or two. The reason today's blog is one huge blog rather than half a dozen smaller ones is that we wanted to discuss the underlying reasoning with you guys before we started talking about this winter, hence the rush to get it out ASAP so we can start talking to you about implementation as early as possible in the development cycle.

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:05:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Magnus Veyr on 15/08/2011 14:06:19
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/08/2011 13:59:10
I'm expecting to be writing the "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter" blog in the next week or two. The reason today's blog is one huge blog rather than half a dozen smaller ones is that we wanted to discuss the underlying reasoning with you guys before we started talking about this winter, hence the rush to get it out ASAP so we can start talking to you about implementation as early as possible in the development cycle.


Today's blog is very interesting and if you even manage to do 50% of that in the next 2-3 years we'd be going forward. But the pressing issue indeed is the "what have you done for us lately" question which has been lingering for far too long now, it needs to be addressed decisively and with facts. We've been waiting long enough and expect some "spaceships based" improvements in the next few months.

Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:21:00 - [14]
 

"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.

Decarus
Amarr
Apostlecorp inc.
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:29:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Zagam
Please do. The door is over there.


But the door don't open! Cool

Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Decarus
Originally by: Zagam
Please do. The door is over there.


But the door don't open! Cool

LOL. Good catch! +1

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:32:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Zagam
"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.



Your the one whining like some 12 year old at those are are whining.

Hypocrisy at its finest.




Epsilon Aspire
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:38:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/08/2011 13:59:10
I'm expecting to be writing the "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter" blog in the next week or two. The reason today's blog is one huge blog rather than half a dozen smaller ones is that we wanted to discuss the underlying reasoning with you guys before we started talking about this winter, hence the rush to get it out ASAP so we can start talking to you about implementation as early as possible in the development cycle.


Greyscale, its great to see that you still want our feedback and input into things before you start doing something thatís great to see and I hope it continues. BUT thatí not really what I meant, the blog itself isnít what made me ask the question it was just the thing that made me WANT to ask it.

Again you say "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter", so what are you all up to now? If you doing a blog on what your planning on doing for the winter expansion thatís great look forward to reading it, does that mean all the devs (the ones that work on EvE) are sat around on Facebook? They must be doing something right? If every single Dev is planning stuff then great how about a list of that?

@ Zagam, if my OP came across as a whine my apologies it wasnít supposed to be at all. I am quite happy with what has been done for EvE recently what I am asking is what are the devs doing now? I feel thatís a fairly simple question, donít you?

Eps

Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.15 16:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Zagam
"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.



Your the one whining like some 12 year old at those are are whining.

Hypocrisy at its finest.





I'm sorry, but I fail to see how me asking someone to grow up is "whining like some 12 year old". Did I not use enough big words?

Honestly though... the whining about not enough shiny stuff in this patch is getting quite tiresome. If you don't get what you want via the first 497 posts about a single topic, what will the 498th do? (hint: Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result each time)

Also... Its not "your" its "You're". And there should be only one "are" in your post. And... even with those corrections, the first sentence of your post makes no sense... you're missing a "who" in there.

/grammar police off


Zagam
Posted - 2011.08.15 16:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Epsilon Aspire
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/08/2011 13:59:10
I'm expecting to be writing the "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter" blog in the next week or two. The reason today's blog is one huge blog rather than half a dozen smaller ones is that we wanted to discuss the underlying reasoning with you guys before we started talking about this winter, hence the rush to get it out ASAP so we can start talking to you about implementation as early as possible in the development cycle.


Greyscale, its great to see that you still want our feedback and input into things before you start doing something thatís great to see and I hope it continues. BUT thatí not really what I meant, the blog itself isnít what made me ask the question it was just the thing that made me WANT to ask it.

Again you say "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter", so what are you all up to now? If you doing a blog on what your planning on doing for the winter expansion thatís great look forward to reading it, does that mean all the devs (the ones that work on EvE) are sat around on Facebook? They must be doing something right? If every single Dev is planning stuff then great how about a list of that?

@ Zagam, if my OP came across as a whine my apologies it wasnít supposed to be at all. I am quite happy with what has been done for EvE recently what I am asking is what are the devs doing now? I feel thatís a fairly simple question, donít you?

Eps

My response was not directed specifically at you, but rather lots of people asking for "what are you doing now?" (and in hindsight, specifically at the poster that first replied to your original post).

As for the clarified intent of your OP, yes, it is a very legit question. I think what got me all kinds of riled up was the capital letters, and the fact that I had not had enough caffeine this morning.

Callic Veratar
Posted - 2011.08.15 16:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/08/2011 13:59:10
I'm expecting to be writing the "these are the bits we're planning on doing this winter" blog in the next week or two. The reason today's blog is one huge blog rather than half a dozen smaller ones is that we wanted to discuss the underlying reasoning with you guys before we started talking about this winter, hence the rush to get it out ASAP so we can start talking to you about implementation as early as possible in the development cycle.


By "this winter" do you mean EVE: [Next Title] or Incarna 1.1 through 1.*? Incursion received 6 releases and even more sub releases and client patches with bullet points that weren't just bug fixes.

What are the other 2/3s features coming out for Incarna?

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.15 18:01:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: CCP Prism X
I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject Wink).

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job. As it stands I'm quite content with my job security because I've never heard of any plans to close EVE-Software, EVE-QA, EVE-Content or any other EVE specific departments (which is a very decent % of the entire company).

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink

At any rate, this is the best I can do to alleviate your worries. Worries are really annoying, especially when you have no way of verifying whether you should be worrying or not in the first place. I hope it helps.

Where have YOU been all your life? They NEVER tell people beforehand they're phasing out their job. You get called into the office. They say, "Guess what..." and you're in the career modification mode. Nothing personal, but there are people who should worry even if they're not sure exactly what it is.

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.15 18:35:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Magnus Veyr on 15/08/2011 18:36:12
Originally by: Zagam
"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.



I see you conveniently forgot about my "spaceships" remark.


- CQ, nothing but WOD alpha
- UI framework, I've yet to see the advantage of that so far all it does is mess things up
- turret models, that's just looks (while looks are important there's more pressing issues). Also turret icons wtf.
- you mean those animations that make it more difficult for PVPers to figure stuff out? (you turned one point into two btw)
- the maller did not need a redesign, now it looks LESS like an Amarr ship completely forgoing on heritage (and the Sacrilege at the login screen firing lasers is just... sacrilege)

We need SPACESHIP improvements, balancing, SOV, more balancing, addressing ISSUES. All that's been happening is nothing but an effort make EVE look better in trailers.

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:08:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Alina Wize on 15/08/2011 20:08:49
Originally by: Magnus Veyr

I see you conveniently forgot about my "spaceships" remark.


- CQ, nothing but WOD alpha
- UI framework, I've yet to see the advantage of that so far all it does is mess things up
- turret models, that's just looks (while looks are important there's more pressing issues). Also turret icons wtf.
- you mean those animations that make it more difficult for PVPers to figure stuff out? (you turned one point into two btw)
- the maller did not need a redesign, now it looks LESS like an Amarr ship completely forgoing on heritage (and the Sacrilege at the login screen firing lasers is just... sacrilege)

We need SPACESHIP improvements, balancing, SOV, more balancing, addressing ISSUES. All that's been happening is nothing but an effort make EVE look better in trailers.


Did someone say, Sacrilege?
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=home&w=32&y=2011&scl_id=9

Look, Magnus, the Art team does art stuff, the database team does database stuff, the _______ team does _______ stuff. You're going to see a multitude of various updates related to art, mechanics, ships, content, etc. Get your head out of your butte you little publet.

EVE is for your entertainment, $15/mo is cheap entertainment, let's think of it that way shall we. You're not entitled to anything.

How many game companies get this balls deep with their customer base to being with. CCP is legit, they're cool bros.

You want to know why carbon was implemented? Watch the fanfest presentation.

inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:12:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: inexistin on 15/08/2011 20:12:25
Originally by: CCP Prism X
I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject Wink).

What I can tell you is that I, CCP Prism X, work on EVE Online. I'm a Database Programmer in EVE Software and if I had any reason to believe we were shutting EVE down I'd be looking for a new job. As it stands I'm quite content with my job security because I've never heard of any plans to close EVE-Software, EVE-QA, EVE-Content or any other EVE specific departments (which is a very decent % of the entire company).

Of course you have no reason to take me seriously. Other than the fact that most people do not joke around with their professional career as it's a big part of their life. However I'd forgive you for thinking of me as a joker. Just look at my signature. Wink

At any rate, this is the best I can do to alleviate your worries. Worries are really annoying, especially when you have no way of verifying whether you should be worrying or not in the first place. I hope it helps.


Dude, you remind me of a corpmate of mine - too nice to everyone for his own good.

Edit: failgrammar, bestgrammar

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:16:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Zagam
"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.


LOL that is nothing - what they have done - seriously...they have a huge team of people and what we have seen is only this?

OMG a team of less than 10 people took Mount and Blade from a simple RTS/RPG to an online multi-player game and revamped the entire game in less than 2 years. Maybne if CCP actually worked on EVE instead of WoD of Dust514, we'd have our walking in stations and other CQ's all ready - and they'd be working on other essential parts of the game as well by now.

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Originally by: Zagam
"What have you done for us lately?"

Uh... Incarna?
- Getting CQ running (badly, but its running)
- CARBON framework in place
- ALL new turret models
- ALL new turret animations
- Redesigned the Maller
Thats just the highlights.

Y'all seriously need to stop whining. In life, you can't get everything you want instantly. Most of us whom have passed puberty (and gotten a job) realize that. Bear in mind that beyond your base subscription (which can be paid for via PLEX), you are paying NOTHING for expansions. You don't have to ask mommy for her credit card to buy it online, and you don't have to ask daddy to drive you to Best Buy to buy it.

If you're threatening to leave over "OMG you aren't giving me EVERYTHING I want instantly!!!!11!!!"... Please do. The door is over there. We won't miss you, and please send your stuff to Zagam.


LOL that is nothing - what they have done - seriously...they have a huge team of people and what we have seen is only this?

OMG a team of less than 10 people took Mount and Blade from a simple RTS/RPG to an online multi-player game and revamped the entire game in less than 2 years. Maybne if CCP actually worked on EVE instead of WoD of Dust514, we'd have our walking in stations and other CQ's all ready - and they'd be working on other essential parts of the game as well by now.


Are you guys literally this ******ed? CCP's Shanghai office is building DUST. CCP's Atlanta office is building WoD. CCP Iceland is Important Internet Spaceships!

EdTeach
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:42:00 - [28]
 

Dev Quote - "I cannot tell you what is our P.R. peoples place to talk about. There's also not much point to it: Everyone knows CCP is not just working on EVE and I, personally, doubt people ever expected anything else. No development/publishing studio has ever focused solely on a product for all eternity. To my knowledge you just wont find a successful example of that in the industry (and if you do please share.. as much as I hate being wrong, and that has happened, I love not being wrong repeatedly on the same subject )."

Battlefront.

Combat Mission series.

Now it is the furthest thing from an internet spaceship game(WWII sim), but they have been doing this same engine type and game type since 1999. Successfully I might add. Their foray into modern warfare still used the same engine and UI, AI, etc. It is what they do, it is all they do, and they do it WELL.

I like EVE enough to come back and check it out again, but it is not the game I hoped it would turn out to be.... yet.

I have hope for the future though.


K'uata Sayus
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:48:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 15/08/2011 12:04:45
Originally by: Epsilon Aspire

WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON RIGHT NOW?



Well, 5 years to implement changes to null, IDK. Sounds like another "18 months" blog but this time they're saying "60 months".

Obviously what CCP is working on is not Eve. CCP isn't going to tell you all they're working on so that everyone can rage about all they're not working on Eve. Whatever. Effectively, Eve development is dead. I'd say Incursions was probably the last developmental push specific to Eve. I don't include Incarna because it's obviously an alpha implementation of WoD. I don't consider MT items found in the NeX to be content as my industry inflated sub that I pay doesn't allow me to participate in it, nor do I consider it a loss.

Although, many people don't want to believe it, the introduction of MT into a game that wasn't designed from the ground up to utilize, is most assuredly a sign the end has already come and gone. New "features" will become a shell game as such features will basically be rehashing/fixing old ideas but, instead will be noted as "New" in the patch notes. We'll get "new" faction tower BPC drops, "new" features that actually fix horrible implementations - see role management, POS management, corp hangers/maint arrays, etc, etc, etc. And, we'll get all these "new" features at ever decreasing frequency just enough so that CCP can say that Eve is still being developed - see SGW.

Honestly, I don't think CCP even cares anymore. Their treatment of the playerbase, the lack of communication, the leaked communications debasing the playerbase makes it painfully obvious. This is the kind of treatment one expects from their cell phone provider or internet provider to which there is no customer loyalty because their is no loyalty to the customers from the company, only the desire for the cheapest most reliable service. TBH, I'm quickly losing my zeal for the game due in large part to the last couple of months watching CCP dealing with it's customers as if they're livestock.


Most of my posts in the last 3 months are a mirror of what is above. I am certainly outta here for an indefinite time period, maybe permanently. The Dev blog is so far removed from immediate needs of the game I wonder what was expected to be accomplished by posting it. As an exercise in defining the parameters of null-sec development it is cogent enough, as "boots on the ground" management of game-specifics I see nothing.

I've got managers at work who say a lot and promise a lot but when it gets to crunch time all I then get is excuses and delays. Eve's management seem to have the same affliction.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:54:00 - [30]
 

I'm making a mad dash for Jita later this week...ya know...just in case...


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