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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.08.17 01:49:00 - [31]
 

FW is based on the empires being at, if not war atleast very sour relations.
How long can the ever unfolding main story of eve handle FW? Will the empires never sit down and get back to business as usual; returning lowsec to its past and militia members to sit around the campfire telling stories on how they fought back in the days.

FW should pay more for pvp and less for missions. Victory points earns you mission points? Plex to be allowed to mission, that should deal with the farm elements to an extent.
However compared to highsec incursions that the above average bear in smarts figured out how to monetize on during day one or possibly two, what does fw realy pay nowdays for the risk that was supposed to go into it? the lp reward buff didnt help that area; near all fw rewards don't sell enough quantity(eg, its items that don't get destroyed at the pace they are generated)
Here we might look at incursions and then back at the plex system. With combat sites paying each member in 7-9 man gang but not paying you if you gank a 3 man gang in a victory site meant for 7-9, ofc capturing it with a 3 man gang shouldnt pay you much either. But then we are faced with killmails>rewards and non militia groupings. We are in a sandbox to some extent after all.

Occupancy must mean something, the moon goo tied to vp is a decent idea but would likely be very exploitable and not realy balanced looking at regional moon worth etc. What should it tie into? better rewards is meh and punishes the losing side to much. Solve this riddle to something that people will actually go lose 3 ships in a single fight because its that important.

Supercaps is a problem, the ability to deploy just a lowly carrier in a fight is nothing but a game of who rings the batphone first, deployng a counter carrier ? means yours more likely to get suuuupered. How about agressing with a supercap in lowsec is a violation of yulai convetion getting concord on its behind; they are after all supercaps and might make empires nervous if used in actual combat that close to their turf. regular dreads/carriers is much less of a problem since they are perceived as actually fightable, without dialing 1-1-2-R-A-I-D-E-N and setting things up for a specific time and date.

Excuse my random idea sprouting, its quite late and while I hope to come across somewhat coherent the realization is that might not be the case.

A sidenote is ofc that fw is supposed to be nothing but a craddle, where young players can go to pickup some training, where they can form friendships and a group that will then take the step outside fw towards nullsec where the real(tm) pvp happens.
Another sidenote is my reason for being here originaly: being blinky is a pain, gcc is a pain and so on, fw seemed like a perfect chooice to get to shoot at things without that and without "wakeup at 5 go this cta, small gang is 50, godesses-nullsec-pvp-is-the-best" idiocy, I have maintained a decent sec record while getting some realy good piratey ransoms oppurtunites that leaves a glow on my face shining far better then a killmail, even if its ******ed ransoming frigates for 200k isk >_<
Sadly my romantic idea that fw would include a friendly banterish atmosphere was crushed in short order, like everywhere else grudgers will keep grudging and rearhats will be rearhats.

Peace.


Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:02:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 17/08/2011 04:07:16
Originally by: Vim
supercaps and might make empires nervous if used in actual combat that close to their turf. regular dreads/carriers is much less of a problem since they are perceived as actually fightable, without dialing 1-1-2-R-A-I-D-E-N and setting things up for a specific time and date.


Whines a person from an FDU corp which has their own titan bridge and neutral carriers/logistics to help gallente fleets? Priceless.

I quess we know now whose Nyx it was that got destroyed in Harroule...

Scuttle Bunny
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:17:00 - [33]
 

i want to be on the gallente side

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.08.17 08:08:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Vim on 17/08/2011 08:29:35
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 17/08/2011 04:07:16

Whines a person from an FDU corp which has their own titan bridge and neutral carriers/logistics to help gallente fleets? Priceless.

I quess we know now whose Nyx it was that got destroyed in Harroule...


Neutral logistics in some cases is purely thanks to the implementation of standing hits. I was for a long period of time convinced(read: its obvious it works this way) neutral logistics flagged themselves to the entire opposing side of fw, as one would expect. sadly thats another mechanic that might need a big tad of a pokearound.
If raiden have destroyed a nyx in harroule all the more power to them, I was giving raiden as an example since they are somewhat easy from my pov to get hold off, maybe I just should have written: "Dial 1-1-2-Na-na-na-na-na-na-na" to keep named entites out.

Now if you do have anything in actuality to add to a discussion I will read that. But please keep your rp out of it because someone so limited and bitter in his social interactions cannot exist other then as an imaginary persona.

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.17 08:32:00 - [35]
 

Supercapitals are a pain in the arse, has nothing to do with FW but rather with low-sec in general.
Same goes for the 'neutral' alts that seem to be everywhere, CCP knows about it but probably can't sort it due to the archaic standings/aggression system so instead they chose to ignore it (kind of like FW actually Confused).

Easy Fix: Remove immunity when on foreign soil (ie. not ones own sovereignty) and adopt the segregated drone bays to limit normal drone spam.

Capitals are common and cheap enough to be a non-issue. Their 'power' is easily negated by smart FC'ing and even small corps have caps of their own.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.17 09:52:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Vim
But please keep your rp out of it because someone so limited and bitter in his social interactions cannot exist other then as an imaginary persona.



Oh but such persons exist in great numbers, in the ranks of Gallentes "We are all casual dudes, only in for fun pewpew" people. What other explanation there is that after my last hiatus and return to game I was immediately labeled as dog**** and pedophile among other terms. I figured it was rp too but turns out they were completely serious about it.

But of course in your twisted mind the wronged party which returns the favor by (unsurprisingly) refusing to be polite around you, is the one who is to blame.

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.08.17 11:06:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Vim
But please keep your rp out of it because someone so limited and bitter in his social interactions cannot exist other then as an imaginary persona.



Oh but such persons exist in great numbers, in the ranks of Gallentes "We are all casual dudes, only in for fun pewpew" people. What other explanation there is that after my last hiatus and return to game I was immediately labeled as dog**** and pedophile among other terms. I figured it was rp too but turns out they were completely serious about it.

But of course in your twisted mind the wronged party which returns the favor by (unsurprisingly) refusing to be polite around you, is the one who is to blame.



Its the old circle of life then, one grudge leaves to another that then grudges an unknowing party which then feels this damar dude is a real hose and hence I respond in kind eversince. I do not know any other side of you since I came late into it all and first encounters lead to my general hostility, ofc aided by others already solidified view and happyness to share it. Not knowing where it all started, from eithers pov; and discussing that will only lead to more entrenchment of positions, I will do my best to respond in the future without resorting to lowly assaults on you or your affiliates person(s) hoping for a better future.

Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2011.08.17 12:58:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Vordak Kallager
You should try getting Militia leaders from all four Factions.
All of the are sociopaths and freaks .... right?

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:24:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 17/08/2011 13:32:12
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 17/08/2011 13:26:06
Originally by: Hidden Snake
All of the are sociopaths and freaks .... right?


In the war he was,
mere Lieutenant Colonel there.
In army he would have been at home,
had he been made to do what he was told.

But he always kept his own head,
followed his own path,
obeyed he not the word of other,
Thus were his troops destined to be of different kind.


(Translated from "Stories of ensign Stål" chapter "Otto Von Fieandt" by J.L Runeberg, originally translated from Swedish to Finnish by Paavo Cajander)


Gallactica
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:45:00 - [40]
 

As a ex-long term FW'er i'd be happy to provide any input if requested.


Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:33:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Vim
Not knowing where it all started, from eithers pov; and discussing that will only lead to more entrenchment of positions.


Then let me tell you: It started when Caldari first acquired foothold in Placid. Gallente had been on their high-horse since start of FW since their side saw themselves as "l33t outnumbered uber-pvp god side" since they would be "fighting the hord3s of n00bz from Caldari militia".

Now, the fact that plexing fleets were succeeding against opposition did not go down well with this attitude. So caldari had to be exploiting. All the system capture was done purely by cheating and using cloaking ships to run timer (back in the day it was possible and it was actually gallentes who did that, not Caldari). So on to the forums the gallente went and spared no effort to ridicule Caldari plexers, you know, because actually going against Caldari on plexing front would be "carebear pve" and they would rather sit in Tama and camp Nourvukaiken gate.

So this continued until every system was occupied and for some reason, I dont know why, your side singled me (mere footsoldier) out as the sole inventor of "exploits" which I had never done. On the other hand, gallente side was happy to continue using buggy mechanism which culminated in "Nennamaila incident" where a fleet of Qcats got their asses handed over to them by two caracals (Me and Bad Messenger) and plex rats.

That is, until Ammon Dei did the usual thing gallentes did back then and used a bug invented by Val Erian to turn the caldari npcs to fire on me and Bad Messenger. This forced us to leave the plex and disengage, with 7 killmails and no lossmails for PERVS. Gallentes then ganked other people who entered system or had tried to help us and claimed they won a great victory in the system against two of the top pvp'ers of Caldari militia. They also said that I had shot my own npcs and that was the sole reason for npc aggro shifting and was not result of anything they had done.

However, systems still didnt flip back until Gallentes had cried enough and CCP reworked mechanisms so that occupied systems with hostile sovereignty would get a ton of plexes every downtime. This effectively caused the caldari mechanism which kept systems occupied for 10 months to overload because there was no way to keep up with system which spawned between 5-20 plexes to every system at every downtime.

This culminated in "Dominion Debacle" where two systems were lost in as many hours. Qcats of course went to brag again that they had won a great victory and CCP screwing the servers up on multiple reboots (thus spawning more plexes to systems with every failed start-up) was no different from a normal downtime which occurred. Weirdly enough, PERVS had kept both OMS and Heydieles occupied against gallente quite handily.

But as Bad Messenger said "I took every plex in OMS, it was uncontested and went to bed. When I woke up in the morning, system was lost". And this in the mind of Chatgris and others is "just like regular downtime".

This was, understandably, last straw for PERVS who were fully aware of bugged mechanisms CCP was not going to fix and abandoned FW soon afterwards.

So now we are here. Plexing mechanism which massively favors the defender and where hard work of system capture which took weeks can and will be undone by a single patch deployment which ****s the servers inside out and allows other side to ninja capture system in two hours.

So congratulations, you finally won the plexing war. Not with effort but by whining long enough so you could "plex casually and still achieve something" as one of you once said. Could you perhaps have CCP install the original version now?

Commander Razama
Gallente
Fangs Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:41:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Vim
But please keep your rp out of it because someone so limited and bitter in his social interactions cannot exist other then as an imaginary persona.



Oh but such persons exist in great numbers, in the ranks of Gallentes "We are all casual dudes, only in for fun pewpew" people. What other explanation there is that after my last hiatus and return to game I was immediately labeled as dog**** and pedophile among other terms. I figured it was rp too but turns out they were completely serious about it.

But of course in your twisted mind the wronged party which returns the favor by (unsurprisingly) refusing to be polite around you, is the one who is to blame.



Dude you were acting like a troll when you came back to Faction War and I remember the whole "pedophile" incident we called you that over 2 years ago Damar holy **** let it go! There must be some truth to it if you held on to that so damn long.

Hunter Bowman
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:52:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion

This was, understandably, last straw for PERVS who were fully aware of bugged mechanisms CCP was not going to fix and abandoned FW soon afterwards.

So now we are here. Plexing mechanism which massively favors the defender and where hard work of system capture which took weeks can and will be undone by a single patch deployment which ****s the servers inside out and allows other side to ninja capture system in two hours.

So congratulations, you finally won the plexing war. Not with effort but by whining long enough so you could "plex casually and still achieve something" as one of you once said. Could you perhaps have CCP install the original version now?


well let me start by saying you started with +100 cool points. Now lets break down your cool points after i read your post:

-1 for wall of text.
Not doing too bad at this point +99 cool points is kinda ok i guess
-2 for using l33t and n00bz
Still up 97 points, ok what ever
-2 for obiously not having a life
Ouch ur down to 95 points
-95 for being a tool
Oh snap, your at 0 which means i must take your Man Card also.
Please hand in your tools, testicals, and member to the nearest hardware store near you.

P.S.

Really, you need to get out!

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:55:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Hunter Bowman
well let me start by saying you started with +100 cool points. Now lets break down your cool points after i read your post:

-1 for wall of text.
Not doing too bad at this point +99 cool points is kinda ok i guess
-2 for using l33t and n00bz
Still up 97 points, ok what ever
-2 for obiously not having a life
Ouch ur down to 95 points
-95 for being a tool
Oh snap, your at 0 which means i must take your Man Card also.
Please hand in your tools, testicals, and member to the nearest hardware store near you.

P.S.

Really, you need to get out!


Hunter Bowman, on behalf of the non-Jersey Shore watching EVE population, I must ask you to refrain from posting for a period of no less than 1 week.

Your post, while appreciated in spirit, is a failure of an attempt to troll and exhibits levels of douchebaggery usually only seen by men wearing pink t-shirts two sizes too small with a v-neck that goes down to their navels.

For the safety of all persons involved, and to reduce the risk of your orange spray-tan infecting the rest of EVE, we need you to take a few steps back, away from the computer, and preferrably into on-comnig traffic.

Chris Audacity
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:59:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: X Gallentius
Edited by: X Gallentius on 16/08/2011 05:28:14
Things that need fixing:
#1. Remote Reps on FW entities that are below -5.0 and taking a Faction HIT.

#2. Fix for Plexing in order for control of systems. Better mechanic make it mean something to control systems. OR give out good chunk of Faction LP for taking Offense or Defense Plexes.

#3. FW alliances. There ought to be a way to get the role play alliances into FW.

#4. Minnies and Gallente Should show up with same purple tags. Amarr and Caldari should also show up purple to each other.

#5. Pirate faction ships are treated as T1 ships for plex entrance requirements. They should be treated as T2 ships since in all cases they are better than their T2 equivalents. This flaw limits the ability of poor (read: newer) players from having good fights.

Things that are great about FW:
1. PvP is great

2. Missions ae lucrative.

3. System occupancy mechanics suck, but there are still fights to be had, and ship limited combat is great (in both missions and plexes).

------

One last thing: Please don't let the podcast be dominated by a crappy plexing mechanic everybody knows sucks. Only one portion of FW is implemented poorly, but otherwise there is great pew to be had and that's what 90% of the non-mission running alts want when they log on.



If those fixes could be done it would massively improve things on the FW side. Only other thing I would add is that if your at war with another state then you shouldnt be able to dock in that states stations (makes sense to me).

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.17 18:27:00 - [46]
 

This thread reminds me why I fight on the Amarr Minmatar front.


David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.08.18 07:32:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: David Devant on 18/08/2011 07:40:46
I'll come provided it isn't at some silly time. Quite want to hear what Veshta and Mystical sound like... Wink

Hit me up in game

David Devant
CTRL-Q CEO and euro TZ FC

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.21 06:00:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Hunter Bowman
Really, you need to get out!


Despite being a troll, I respond.

Last time that happened, it caused widespread smacking and forum posting from Gallente about person being a n00b and loser for focusing on things like studies and so on. Of course in Gallente mind someone doing couple of hours of plexing per downtime is a sad bastard but when they have a militia person doing at least 12h of plexing a day, he is most praiseworthy person Laughing

Anyway, i'm starting as video editor for national broadcasting company next week so my downtime presence should become limited from now on. Gallentes can now start their usual smack that this is either a) flat out lie b) claim victory in the plexing war despite losing two systems so far c) that I only took the job because I could not win them in said plexing war where they lost two systems and needed a gracious exit.

Take your pick.



Mongo Edwards
Posted - 2011.08.22 05:28:00 - [49]
 

wow so much hate on the gal/caldari front.

I'd like to parrot these issues:

1) FW occupancy is meaningless
2) Super Caps ruining normal cap fights
3) Pirate factions treated as T1 for plexing sake.
4) The whole orbiting a button thing for running plexes sucks and doesn't lead to good fights in plexes.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.22 06:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mongo Edwards
wow so much hate on the gal/caldari front.



No its just Dramar and his inability to have fun playing eve. Most of us Gallente/Caldari don't mind each other, its just those few bad apples that can't break free of the RP.

Name Family Name
Posted - 2011.08.22 07:24:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Veshta Yoshida
Originally by: Vordak Kallager
Fleet Commanders, CEOs of the Major Corps, etc.

Goddess NO! Majority of FC's have no inkling when it comes to the broken bits (ie. plexing), they are just in it for the pew and CEO's have a good understanding of the corp(s) but not necessarily of anything else.

You'd ideally want people who have been through all the aspects, like:
Caldari - Damar Rocarion (actually quite reasonable most of the time Wink).
Minmatar - Sasawong (my persoanl scapegoat for everything that goes wrong for me Laughing), alternately someone from CTRL-Q, HUANG or AUTOZ.
Gallente - whomever fits the bill, imagine the Q-Cats are 'into it' but no clue really.
Amarr - Any 'older' member from PIE, 1PG, KoTMC, ARETR, 0000, etc. (we have a lot Plexers-become-Killers Smile)

In short: You don't want "leaders" or CEO's but the people to whom the aforementioned turn when they need advise.



Having been in Amarr FW from day one until about two years ago on various alts, my knowledge may be a tad outdated (well - from losely following various FW threads, not much has changed), but why would you pick someone still engaging in a broken game mechanic over someone who doesn't anymore because of just that?

No offense intended, but even back then, I regarded people like Sasawong as some kind of autistic insomniacs, sitting in a rusty car wreck without wheels every waking hour and going "VROOOOOM! VROOOOOOM!" all day long.
After realizing how broken plexing/occupancy is, any normal, reasonable person would just quit doing it - someone still extensively engaging in said activities after years (does he still do it? Shocked) is clearly not a good representative.


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.22 07:42:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Name Family Name
...

Because like me he has also gone para-military. He still semi-afk's on buttons but seem to be quite aggressive when it comes to putting gangs together as well as joining them.

The only 'pure' plexers left are alts being used to farm standings and new-comers who want quick access to the ISK faucet that is FW missions, as far as I know.

Markius TheShed
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.22 09:32:00 - [53]
 

I've been in FW for a year now and I've seen the good and bad of the plex war many time.

My first few months were spent having great fun chasing around the guys from 1PG and PIE inc and it was a fantastic PVP learning curve and produced some epic 1v1 plex fights.

Then someone started multi boxing 10 clients and using vigils' to capture the Eugidi constellation, I not totally sure but I think 1PG refused to be part of the exploiting and stopped plexing Crying or Very sad

As everyone knows it takes 2 to tango and everyone needs a enemy to fight But the broken and exploitable FW mechanic has created to much bad blood.

There are no more GF GF in plexing it's all Alt's and faction ship blobs, How much longer can CCP ignore FW?

(And please come back and fight 1PG)


Name Family Name
Posted - 2011.08.22 10:18:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Name Family Name on 22/08/2011 10:30:31
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Name Family Name
...

Because like me he has also gone para-military. He still semi-afk's on buttons but seem to be quite aggressive when it comes to putting gangs together as well as joining them.

The only 'pure' plexers left are alts being used to farm standings and new-comers who want quick access to the ISK faucet that is FW missions, as far as I know.


[nitpicking]Is 'para-military' the RP term for non-plexers? By definition, any member of a militia would be described as 'para-military'. Also, unless things have changed, FW missions are are an LP faucet and therefore an isk-sink due to LP store purchases and the lack of bounties on FW mission rats.[/nitpicking]

I don't doubt that you, Damar and Sasawong (although I haven't read much from him on the matter) are probably the most competent players when it comes to plexing and you certainly know how to pvp, but the mere fact that you used to plex extensively for whatever reason makes you unrepresentative.
Moreover, having read some of your posts on the matter, the discussion would likely end up being rather elaborate, convoluted and detail-stricken, thus lacking the bigger picture and - most importantly for a podcast - entertainment value for the broader audience.

A mix of one (ex?)plexer, CEOs and FCs would be best, imho.

I know that RPers like PIE, 1PG etc. always claimed to be representing (Amarr) FW and I don't doubt that this is true for plexing forces since it is entirely pointless if one doesn't do it for RP reasons (or some temporary standing grind for FW missions), but in my time and area of interest in FW, they were rather irrelevant compared to the likes of slacker industries, gunship diplomacy, absinthe brothers, helljumpers, no.mercy and whoever followed after them...

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.22 12:35:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Markius TheShed
Then someone started....

Heh, PERVS last grand gesture before reforming with pew as primary focus .. they set out to show just how broken it is and managed to make everyone turn away in disgust of the reality of it when they did.
The :awesome: is that the ****-storm that hit the forums when it was happening still did not manage to get a response from CCP .. that was when I (finally!) realised that FW is for all intents and purposes abandon-ware.
Originally by: Name Family Name
Is 'para-military' the RP term..

No, just an applicable word that defines plexers who bathe in blood .. can't really use "PvP'er" as they generally hate plexing so had to come up with a third option.
Originally by: Name Family Name
.. A mix of one (ex?)plexer, CEOs and FCs would be best, imho.

You lost me am afraid. You seriously suggesting that anyone with a passion for FW (ie. the ones who will listen to the recording) would rather be entertained than hear constructive/lively discussion of the topic?
Originally by: Name Family Name
I know that RPers like PIE, 1PG etc. always claimed to be representing..

Whoa! What? All the RP'ers (on all the sides) are leading by example, none have ever claimed anything of the sort.
That people choose to heed our calls and advice can hardly be interpreted as us claiming to represent anything other than know-how.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.22 14:28:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Heh, PERVS last grand gesture before reforming with pew as primary focus .. they set out to show just how broken it is and managed to make everyone turn away in disgust of the reality of it when they did.


Gallente had Ankh and Val Erian doing it (Val even using alt named Ramad Noinacor), with former having done it since start of FW and nobody seemed to mind. She certainly didnt consider it an issue when she was in CSM. Since this was not a problem on her mind and neither it was on CCP's mind*, PERVS decided to repeat it on industrial scale and as expected the people who were farting stuff like "working as intended" before it, were screaming for bloody murder and permabans.

(*Bad Messenger even mailed GM's and told them exactly what we will do, how we will do it and when we will do it and asked if it was ok. Answer was "go ahead, have fun")


Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.22 15:00:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: David Devant
Edited by: David Devant on 18/08/2011 07:40:46
I'll come provided it isn't at some silly time. Quite want to hear what Veshta and Mystical sound like... Wink

Hit me up in game

David Devant
CTRL-Q CEO and euro TZ FC


My voice is soft as a kitten. True story.
On a side note, I don't know if I personally will be attending due to me simply being a :troll: Neutral.

We'll see what happens.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.22 15:44:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 22/08/2011 15:45:33
Originally by: Cearain


Keep in mind talking about “fixing faction war”, and talking about how faction war currently works in a broken state are 2 completely different things.

Most people in faction war do not use the foundational mechanic of faction war - occupancy plexing. The heads of larger corps may or may not have any interest/knowledge about this.



I just quoted this again because I think this is where this is leading.

I also agree with X Gallentius that too often the discussion of faction war revolves around what is broken with it. That in turn leads to many people missing out on what I consider the best part of eve.

I really think 2 podcasts would be in order. This is a sizable part of game and would be time well spent.

The first podcast could describe the basic mechanics, and what fw is like currently. For this you would probably want a ceo an fc and maybe someone who goes solo etc or who someone who does some of it all. This podcast could cover why people join fw as it exists today and really what are fun things to do in fw. If someone had experience in null sec or as a pirate they could talk about the advantages and disadvantages of each type of game and pvp in particular. This podcast could be an explanation of what is great about fw and how it provides many unique opportunities in eve.

The other podcast could cover how to fix fw. At first you could again rehash the basic plex mechanics and give the skinny on why it is broken. If you just look at the list of items that have been brought up and briefly covered those with a groupd of people interested in fw then you would certainly have a sizable podcast.


edit: BTW I would think the two podcasts would have different people on them. Maybe some overlap but pretty much each would discuss distinct topics.


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.22 16:16:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Gallente had...

All sides had people using all the "features" (not bugs and hence not exploits according to CCP Rolling Eyes), but it was the scope of it that shocked people (industrial scale, I like that description Smile).
An entire constellation dropped like a stone in what 10-12 days with nothing the matari could do to stop it even if they had wanted to ..

@Cearain: Really not sure what you plan to talk about. Super-ISK missions, size restricted plexes and perma-dec for pew and occupancy .. not much more than that really.
One has to assume that the podcaster has a plan for the roundtable with topics that must be covered before the children are given free reign .. if not then I am not sure its even worth participating in to be honestSmile

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:40:00 - [60]
 

@Hirana Yoshida

I had listened to pod goo before. And if I am remembering right he doesn't know much about faction war and thought it would be good to have people on, who do. They could explain it to him and his audience. Most people who play eve probably only have a vague idea about faction war so I think this is a great idea.

So I was thinking it would be a bit of fw 101 with the added benefit of having some people explain how as a practical matter the mechanics play out on tranquility. So yeah some explanation of the fw missions and how they are different than others. Some explanation of the plexing mechanic. Yes explain the war dec and what that means for where you can go in high sec etc. How do people make a living? What people do with the various mechanics etc. What are some good solo fits? Where fights occur and what types of fights occur where? Is it good for solo small gang pvp or just blobs? What sorts of ships are fcs looking for? Will people in the different militias let you in a fleet? What criteria are they using? What sort of players are different corps looking for? Are there any shared goals among corps? Is there any infighting? Just really try to give people an accurate picture of what fw is and is not. Thats just skimming the top of my mind. There actually is quite a bit to talk about.

The second session could talk about the different changes people have been proposing. As you can see from the list I made its pretty lengthy and could easy make for a great podcast in itself.

But I think if they try to do both in one podcast it will get a bit convoluted. I think that was the concern of XGallentius. We can get sidetracked onto how we would all like to fix the plexing mechanic and not inform people of what is great about fw as it is. That is why I was thinking 2 seperate podcasts.


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