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T'kimat
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: T''kimat on 10/08/2011 22:54:41
I quote:

GM correspondence removed. Please see Forum Rules number 9 for more information. Zymurgist

*EDIT*
Ok, since no logs are allowed, here the short version:

- Server goes boom
- Players log back in to server
- I find an unpiloted Hulk in a belt
- I jump into the hulk and am happy
- Next day, I receive a notification from CCP, that the hulk, which was left in the belt, will be taken away from me and returned to its rightful owner
- I was sad


I would be quite interested in the reasoning to this decision. Why would you allow me to steal everything a corporation owns, but on the other hand take away what a player legitimately finds?
Would you "duping" a hulk have such a major impact on the economy, that you were forced to make this decision?



I'm sorry CCP, but my logs show nothing..

fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:11:00 - [2]
 

lolololpwnt

Trjaros
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:16:00 - [3]
 

Awww logs are H4CKoR$ i tell you

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:17:00 - [4]
 

rofl

Riveting Tale Sibling
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:22:00 - [5]
 

So, in other words, it's now CCP Policy to remove assets from one player to reimburse another...

Wow, guys.

And I thought your reimbursement policy was weak before..

NoLimit Soldier
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:49:00 - [6]
 

If it makes you feel any better:

I was told "no" to re-imbursing my crystal set that were lost due to a client de-sync (was half way in warp to station, splashed to station 20 jumps away) The damage done was even in my log in the NEW system.



So maybe they only reimburse carebears?


Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.08.11 00:00:00 - [7]
 

Indeed.

If you lose your pirate implants to Server DeSynch, CCP's logs show nothing.

However, should you benefit from some dummy ejecting from his Hulk in an icebelt directly before a server crash, you'd better give it back.

Macro-Miners must be protected. They're the backbone of the EVE economy!

:cripes: :CCP:

malaire
Posted - 2011.08.11 08:06:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: T'kimat
I would be quite interested in the reasoning to this decision.

You were exploiting a bug.

Some GM answers about this topic in this thread:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1563607
e.g.
Originally by: GM Gusto
If we can verify that a ship was left out in space due to the crash and got stolen as a result, we will take the ship from the current owner and give it back to the rightful owner.

Disastro
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.11 11:38:00 - [9]
 

If you think this is funny consider this story:

During that server crash 2 nights ago (the same night of the most recent patch) a group of us was pirating in low sec and had just killed an ishkur and the server began crashing. People began discoing and the pod flys away safely when no one is around left to hold the point.

When the server comes back online one of our guys was no longer in system with us. He went back to a place in 0.0 where his clone was bound but he did not die or lose his implants. His ship, a mega, was floating in space in the low sec where we had been pirating and was moving at a phenomenal rate of speed. It was traveling thru the star in the system and we probed it out and he boarded it again after making 20 some odd jumps back in his pod.

If someone else had stolen this ship do you think CCP would have given it back too? I kind of doubt it.

Nirnias Stirrum
Posted - 2011.08.11 11:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum on 11/08/2011 11:48:47
jeez your some muppet do you even follow what goes on in eve at all?

Any unpiloted ships that were floating in space was due to a bug that occured when the server crashed the other night.

Alot of people that were in space when the server crashed, when they logged back in they were in a capsule in a station but their ships were left floating in space wherever they were before the server crashed!

SellStuff Hunny
Posted - 2011.08.11 12:15:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Disastro
If you think this is funny consider this story:

During that server crash 2 nights ago (the same night of the most recent patch) a group of us was pirating in low sec and had just killed an ishkur and the server began crashing. People began discoing and the pod flys away safely when no one is around left to hold the point.

When the server comes back online one of our guys was no longer in system with us. He went back to a place in 0.0 where his clone was bound but he did not die or lose his implants. His ship, a mega, was floating in space in the low sec where we had been pirating and was moving at a phenomenal rate of speed. It was traveling thru the star in the system and we probed it out and he boarded it again after making 20 some odd jumps back in his pod.

If someone else had stolen this ship do you think CCP would have given it back too? I kind of doubt it.


whoa dude.... the real question is - WH OTHE F*** pirates in a MEGA of all ship(t)s ?

Jack Tronic
Posted - 2011.08.11 12:27:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Disastro
If you think this is funny consider this story:

During that server crash 2 nights ago (the same night of the most recent patch) a group of us was pirating in low sec and had just killed an ishkur and the server began crashing. People began discoing and the pod flys away safely when no one is around left to hold the point.

When the server comes back online one of our guys was no longer in system with us. He went back to a place in 0.0 where his clone was bound but he did not die or lose his implants. His ship, a mega, was floating in space in the low sec where we had been pirating and was moving at a phenomenal rate of speed. It was traveling thru the star in the system and we probed it out and he boarded it again after making 20 some odd jumps back in his pod.

If someone else had stolen this ship do you think CCP would have given it back too? I kind of doubt it.


Welcome to the magic of grids, objects in eve only tick/do something when someone is on grid. The mega was launched into space by a bounce somehow and nobody was on grid to observe it to cause the physics engine to start deceleration. This bug is how people still make deep safes regardless >:) (Launch ship into space, wait a few hours, probe your new safe).

Uuali
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:07:00 - [13]
 

You have to be "important" in this game to legally get to keep stuff.

High rollers, big dogs… Whales… Mittanis.

Guys that know how to suck ....s and which ....s to suck. Know what I mean?


That corp theft video ain't for everybody. Only the sexy people.

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:51:00 - [14]
 

This is what you get when you have a bunch of developmentally challenged boys parading around as men applying their "personal judgement" to the local sandbox dust up. The only thing they don't do is take their ball and go home...which they would if they weren't being paid for it.

I've complained long and bitterly about a bunch of children whose life experiences go no farther than diddling with each other in daddy's garage...they do have garages in Iceland?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.11 18:59:00 - [15]
 

I see most of you have no clue about the bug that occured to some people when the server crashed, seperating them involuntarily from their ships in space.

This bug was easy for CCP to track down and verify if the person legitamately should have his ship returned. Favoritism doesn't enter into it.

Easy come, easy go.


Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
I see most of you have no clue about the bug that occured to some people when the server crashed, seperating them involuntarily from their ships in space.

This bug was easy for CCP to track down and verify if the person legitamately should have his ship returned. Favoritism doesn't enter into it.

Easy come, easy go.




And yet, how many ships are reimbursed due to crashes when they die in PVP?

The point was not the fact that they reimbursed the ships, it's the fact that the person who boarded the ship found a legitamately empty ship in space, and boarded it, only to be told they now have to give it up because of an anomaly caused by :CCP:.

To take it back, and give it back to the original owner, goes against everything that is EVE.

But hey, whatever tickles your fancy. Poopin' in the sandbox and whatnot.

Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: malaire
Originally by: T'kimat
I would be quite interested in the reasoning to this decision.

You were exploiting a bug.

Some GM answers about this topic in this thread:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1563607
e.g.
Originally by: GM Gusto
If we can verify that a ship was left out in space due to the crash and got stolen as a result, we will take the ship from the current owner and give it back to the rightful owner.



Exploiting a bug involves prior knowledge. If you see an empty ~200 million ISK ship in space, empty, what are you going to do, take it to the lost and found?

When you do so, please remember that the Lost and Found is currently located in my hangar.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:53:00 - [18]
 

I have to admit that it kinda does sound like bull****, but apparently this bug happened to a lot of people. Still, you invested time and, potentially, effort to profit from what you assumed was a mistake made by another player, something that is perfectly normal in EVE.

captain dirka
Caldari
Sinister Elite
Raining Doom
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:45:00 - [19]
 

they cant find anything in their logs, but they found that hulk!


 

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