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Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 11:55:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Shadowfoot on 10/08/2011 12:15:39
Cant you just get off forums for a sec. and go play and ENJOY the game.

It seems to me like you are playing forums. i guess people like you are enjoying destroying england in riots right now.

Whats up with this CSM minutes. or something that has to do with response from CCP.
Why dont you let CCP make their game, and you yourself just go and play it.

You dont get paid for design/programming. So why do you keep arguing about aspects like AUR/Plex, p2w. etc.

If EvE will become not what you want then just find another game.

As it currently IS. Eve has alot of new players coming every day, they have massive ad campaign on google, eventhough eve-offline showed active player decline(more mature players)- successful game.


I am really tired of coming to general forum and having to sift through your cry-posts just to find a good normal post to read.

A good example of what people like you "protesters" can do to a game has an example - World of warcraft.

They lost 1mil subscribers, and warcraftrealms show 2.2mil players total playing it(unlike 12mil advertised)

You also make developers to think that they are gods and creators(which they are not) by making "balancing" or "suggesting" threads. they are just CCP employees who work for living, just like everyone else do.

Cliffs:
Forums = end of eve prediction (miserable future for eve) - makes people lose smile
Game = very active 1 server universe, where alot of action is going on, people login, have fun and logoff.
Make general forums cry-free. If you have something to suggest, go to suggestion forums.



Thanks

Laganda
Posted - 2011.08.10 11:58:00 - [2]
 

I will start you off with trolls you are 100% correct but you now your gonna ge trolled by idiots that don't know any think but there own little world

Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari
Innera Holiday Resorts
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:05:00 - [3]
 

Your feelings are completely normal. If you have made up your mind on something seeing opposite opinions starts to irritate because we have this silly tendency to assume that world is ours alone. Indeed, in case of really contrasted opinions it can be extremely hard to understand your opponents because you will subconsciosly resist it.

Another thing is that we have amazing capability for self-deception. Humans will go surprisingly far into fitting whatever happens to their own paradigm/opinions even if it only barely fits and falls apart on further inspection.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:06:00 - [4]
 

Why would anyone care what a character bought one month ago and with no clue about the game thinks? Neutral

RAW23
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:06:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
As it currently IS. Eve has alot of new players coming every day, they have massive ad campaign on google, and their server logs has shown consistent addition of players- successful game.




You might want to check your facts before using an uninformed opinion to criticise the actions of others. If this is your definition of a successful game then eve is sadly not (not that I would judge success on the basis of this definition myself).

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
As it currently IS. Eve has alot of new players coming every day, they have massive ad campaign on google, and their server logs has shown consistent addition of players- successful game.
Wow. Who's your insider who gave you these logs?

CCP sure is leaking like a sieve these days… Shocked

Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:09:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
Cant you just get off forums for a sec.


That is horrible advice. Never stop posting.

Just post better than the OP...

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:09:00 - [8]
 

In after the bitter hatebois. Rolling Eyes


Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:09:00 - [9]
 

Unlike people like you who joined game in 2010.

I seen eve grow from 1-2k primetime to todays 40k's.




I can see trolls coming. Go away

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:11:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 10/08/2011 12:11:22
Originally by: Shadowfoot
Unlike people like you who joined game in 2010.
I seen eve grow from 1-2k primetime to todays 40k's.
Unlike someone who hasn't been paying attention, I've seen EVE grow to 55k at prime times only to have it shrink back to 40…
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I can see trolls coming. Go away
Yes, please do.

…well, unless you have those logs, that is, and want to share them.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:12:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
Unlike people like you who joined game in 2010.

I seen eve grow from 1-2k primetime to todays 40k's.




I can see trolls coming. Go away


Ah! I see now. So a constant addition of players means that the number of players now is higher than when the game started. So if the number drops to 20k next month eve will still have seen a constant addition of players despite losing many players. Wonderful use of language.

Look at Eve offline and inform yourself. Numbers are down considerably over the last 6-12 months.

Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:17:00 - [12]
 

i didnt come here to talk about eve-offline count.

I came here to ask for public's help to stop those crythreads. or at least get an explanation why people care so much about it, do they live inside eve to require EVE CCP POLITICS? or what

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
i didnt come here to talk about eve-offline count.
Tough. Then maybe you shouldn't have included claims that kind of contradict what eve-offline tells us…
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I came here to ask for public's help to stop those crythreads.
Well, for starters, don't try to invent your own reality without anything to back it up.

Secondly, you can try to read the threads you refer to, rather than just dismiss them as “crythread”, since they explain things well enough.

Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:25:00 - [14]
 

here are the crythreads:

issue with pi
When do we get the functionality back?
Hybrid Balance Petition
FW tweak thread. CCP Soundwave callout
DUST 514... Are all Eve Players scared of this game?
The New Turret Icons are Terrible
Please FIX
Warp Disruption Fields and Grid Manipulation - Valid tactic? CCP?


.THATS JUST FIRST PAGE. you are welcome to add more from 2nd page..

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
here are the crythreads:
Well, that pretty much proves that you didn't actually read them… Rolling Eyes

Cedar Locus
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:34:00 - [16]
 

obvious dev alt is posting in forums

Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:48:00 - [17]
 

The first page of replies to this thread have done nothing but prove that my original post is extremely valid. Thank you for unintentionally supporting my argument, this is irony at its purest form.

Let me begin with the first class of "counter-arguments", those questioning my experience with Eve Online. Guess what guys, Eve Online is a game. I am a human being playing this game, as are you. We are all entitled to the same amount of enjoyment, and those of us who do not enjoy the game can leave any time - no one is imprisoning you in the Eve Universe. To suggest that I cannot have an opinion because I am supposedly not as "experienced" as you, and that you are a superior individual because you're a 'veteran' is not only pathetic but also laughable.

The other type of "counter-arguments" I have seen so far revolves around a redundant philosophical definition of "What is success" and nitpicking around customer base numbers. This is completely irrelevant. I have made dozens of points in my original post, and the fact that you only respond to this one to try to break down my argument pretty much shows that you have nothing else to say about the 'meat and potatoes' of my main post, so to speak.

This is completely ignoring the fact that every single one of you have avoided directly addressing the majority of my points. You are living so deep in this forum-reality-life of yours that the moment you find a small point to argue against you latch onto it for dear life and spam this forum with your miserable nonsense.

You aren't doing anyone a favour by bringing your negativity here. As one equal person to another, I would suggest you to find better things to do with your time than cry about the nitpicked specifics of a video game. Enjoy the game, or find a meaning to your life elsewhere.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:53:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
The first page of replies to this thread have done nothing but prove that my original post is extremely valid. Thank you for unintentionally supporting my argument, this is irony at its purest form.

Let me begin with the first class of "counter-arguments", those questioning my experience with Eve Online. Guess what guys, Eve Online is a game. I am a human being playing this game, as are you. We are all entitled to the same amount of enjoyment, and those of us who do not enjoy the game can leave any time - no one is imprisoning you in the Eve Universe. To suggest that I cannot have an opinion because I am supposedly not as "experienced" as you, and that you are a superior individual because you're a 'veteran' is not only pathetic but also laughable.

The other type of "counter-arguments" I have seen so far revolves around a redundant philosophical definition of "What is success" and nitpicking around customer base numbers. This is completely irrelevant. I have made dozens of points in my original post, and the fact that you only respond to this one to try to break down my argument pretty much shows that you have nothing else to say about the 'meat and potatoes' of my main post, so to speak.

This is completely ignoring the fact that every single one of you have avoided directly addressing the majority of my points. You are living so deep in this forum-reality-life of yours that the moment you find a small point to argue against you latch onto it for dear life and spam this forum with your miserable nonsense.

You aren't doing anyone a favour by bringing your negativity here. As one equal person to another, I would suggest you to find better things to do with your time than cry about the nitpicked specifics of a video game. Enjoy the game, or find a meaning to your life elsewhere.


Your whole argument (at least the few coherent bits) is predicated on the assertion that eve is a successful game. Pointing out that it is not, by your own understanding of success, is not a tangential point but, rather, speaks directly to the point you are trying to make. Eve is a broken game, in many respects, and that is why many of the threads complaining about aspectsof it are perfectly valid. What you really need to do is provide an argument for why people shouldn't complain even when the game has lots of problems.

Also, meta-cry threads are still cry threads. Wink

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:54:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
The first page of replies to this thread have done nothing but prove that my original post is extremely valid.
Oh, don't worry. You proved that yourself by posting a crythread.
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The other type of "counter-arguments" I have seen so far revolves around a redundant philosophical definition of "What is success" and nitpicking around customer base numbers
Well, you shouldn't have brought it up if it's so redundant and nit-picky.
Quote:
This is completely ignoring the fact that every single one of you have avoided directly addressing the majority of my points.
Your only point was "waah! I don't want to read negative threads". Well, tough. Learn to be discriminate in your reading and/or stop judging threads by their titles (as you have so obviously done) and start to read them instead. You might actually learn something.

Hroya
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
here are the crythreads:

issue with pi
When do we get the functionality back?
Hybrid Balance Petition
FW tweak thread. CCP Soundwave callout
DUST 514... Are all Eve Players scared of this game?
The New Turret Icons are Terrible
Please FIX
Warp Disruption Fields and Grid Manipulation - Valid tactic? CCP?


.THATS JUST FIRST PAGE. you are welcome to add more from 2nd page..




What exactly is wrong with those topics ?
This is afterall General Discussion where people discuss issue's among them that they encounter in the game.

Some use proper wording while others just rant and lash out. It's a choice and everyone is permitted to voice his or her opinion in a matter they see fit within the rules of the forum. Moderators will react appropriatly to topics with no content or posts that violate the forum rules.

If people didnt care about the game, they wouldnt post on the forum.
On that note, if you advise people to play the game and not hang on the forums all the time, then why are you troubled by the forums since you would be playing the game instead of hanging here ?



Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:00:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 10/08/2011 13:00:49
I've stated what I believe about this game and that's that, I don't hate EVE, I don't necessarily hate CCP, even if they have acted like outrageous douchebags about all this, I just hate the direction everything is going because I can see clearly it's going to end badly.

I'd love to play this game and enjoy it, but frankly, with all the bull****, I don't see the point.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:02:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 10/08/2011 13:03:07
If you want a detailed reply to your points:

Originally by: Shadowfoot
Edited by: Shadowfoot on 10/08/2011 12:15:39
Cant you just get off forums for a sec. and go play and ENJOY the game.


Not really any points made here. People enjoy the game in different ways and some people enjoy trying to improve it via the forums or enjoy trolling the forums.
Quote:

It seems to me like you are playing forums. i guess people like you are enjoying destroying england in riots right now.


Pointless ad hominem comparison to rioters in the UK. But yes, many people like playing forums. Still no points made as yet as to why threads you don't like shouldn't be posted.
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Whats up with this CSM minutes. or something that has to do with response from CCP.
Why dont you let CCP make their game, and you yourself just go and play it.


This isn't a point of argument, it is a statement (or rhetorical question, really) based on a failure to understand the motivations of others.

Quote:

You dont get paid for design/programming. So why do you keep arguing about aspects like AUR/Plex, p2w. etc.


To the extent that this constitutes an argument it is a mere argument from authority and as such not worth considering.

Quote:


If EvE will become not what you want then just find another game.


Again, not really a point so much as an instruction. And, no, btw. It's not up to you to issue such commands.

Quote:

As it currently IS. Eve has alot of new players coming every day, they have massive ad campaign on google, eventhough eve-offline showed active player decline(more mature players)- successful game.


I am really tired of coming to general forum and having to sift through your cry-posts just to find a good normal post to read.

A good example of what people like you "protesters" can do to a game has an example - World of warcraft.

They lost 1mil subscribers, and warcraftrealms show 2.2mil players total playing it(unlike 12mil advertised)

You also make developers to think that they are gods and creators(which they are not) by making "balancing" or "suggesting" threads. they are just CCP employees who work for living, just like everyone else do.


And the rest of this is based on your successful/unsuccessful distinction which has been shown to be flawed

So, which of your wonderful points of argument do you think we should take more time to consider?

Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:02:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: RAW23

Your whole argument (at least the few coherent bits) is predicated on the assertion that eve is a successful game. Pointing out that it is not, by your own understanding of success, is not a tangential point but, rather, speaks directly to the point you are trying to make. Eve is a broken game, in many respects, and that is why many of the threads complaining about aspectsof it are perfectly valid. What you really need to do is provide an argument for why people shouldn't complain even when the game has lots of problems.

Also, meta-cry threads are still cry threads. Wink


My whole argument is based on the assertion that if you do not think eve is a successful game (which it is, it is one of the few games to survive and grow for years), then you can leave. You are under the assumption that it's reasonable that 90% of the threads in this forum are complaint threads. Do you honestly have nothing better to do than complain?

If you want to suggest, go to the suggestions forum. If you want to discuss (GENERAL DISCUSSION, not GENERAL COMPLAINTS), then post in this forum. If you're unhappy, you can leave. There are people who play the game and don't voice their opinions on these forums and they're having a lot of fun. The reality is, you're the loud, visible, and miserable minority.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Shadowfoot
My whole argument is based on the assertion that if you do not think eve is a successful game (which it is, it is one of the few games to survive and grow for years), then you can leave.
…and the simple counter-argument — or more accurately, parallel argument — is that if you don't want to discuss EVE, both good and bad, then you can stay out of the forums.
Quote:
If you're unhappy, you can leave.
…or, more constructively, try to address the cause of said unhappiness.

Partenope
Gallente
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:07:00 - [25]
 

Shadowfoot,

in a democracy you have to live with that other people think diiffent as you.
Everybody has the right to say waht the think about the game, maybe you do not agree with them, but you should respect them.

Best for now

Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:10:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shadowfoot
My whole argument is based on the assertion that if you do not think eve is a successful game (which it is, it is one of the few games to survive and grow for years), then you can leave.
…and the simple counter-argument — or more accurately, parallel argument — is that if you don't want to discuss EVE, both good and bad, then you can stay out of the forums.
Quote:
If you're unhappy, you can leave.
…or, more constructively, try to address the cause of said unhappiness.


I'm glad you're into creating arguments "parallel" to mine, maybe one day we can create an argumentative trigonometric masterpiece.
Lets be realistic here for a moment, if this forum had a balance of 'good and bad', there would be nothing wrong. Except that it's 95% negative, and 5% constructive.

You are not an Eve developer. You're also not a customer service vigilante, an anarchist warrior. It is not your job to address the "cause" of the unhappiness - in fact you're the one creating the unhappiness and then complaining that no one is there to fix it.
CCP has a vision for the game. They will take your advice into consideration; IN THE SUGGESTIONS FORUM. If their vision does not align with yours, then yes, really, you can leave the game. Stop trying to impose your views on how things should be run.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:12:00 - [27]
 

ITT: Displeasure at poor implementation of features or concerns regarding bugs = ANARCHY.

Hroya
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:13:00 - [28]
 

I think i ended my post with a question.


Shadowfoot
Caldari
STRONG TRADING BRO
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:13:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Partenope
Shadowfoot,

in a democracy you have to live with that other people think diiffent as you.
Everybody has the right to say waht the think about the game, maybe you do not agree with them, but you should respect them.

Best for now


The first intelligent reply to my thread. Thank you.
I am not being sarcastic either.

People do have different opinions, and respect goes both ways, these forums would be a much more fun place to participate in if everyone was truly respectful and argued constructively as opposed to spewing negative criticisms all over the place about every minor detail they can think of.

Partenope
Gallente
Pilots of Epic
Roughneck Regulators
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:14:00 - [30]
 

well, it´s seems to me the only one it´s trying to impose something is you.


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