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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 04:29:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 11/08/2011 09:25:43
Screw it, here's a video for you. Nobody has to wait.

A debut PVP video, from the bowels of Project Nemesis:

Step1 - now reversioned and smaller!

YouTube: Part 1, Part 2

Length: 27'18"
Resolution: 1920x1360
Size: 908MB

i can render a lower res version on demand if someone needs it


Ships flown:
Cynabal (nano/cloak fit and cap booster fit)
CNR
Sniper Pest
Bhaalgorn
Machariel
Proteus
Hurricane

with cameos by the Paladin and Panther.

Music from
Sunny Day Real Estate
Pendulum
Weird Al
Ewan Dobson
Mute Math
Benny Benassi
and Neuroticfish

Entirely hisec and nullsec action in this one; some other time I'll be able to get some good w-space action and station fighting in there.

Most of the way through the making of this video I realized that it is very rich, with most of the shiptypes flown in the billion-isk realm. I can't apologize, I just whacked together a bunch of FRAPS footage from the last 2 months or so; apparently, that's what I've been flying. You should have seen the sh+t that was going on before I cleared out enough space to do FRAPS properly; there were some pretty wild fights in there.

Even in this time period there were a few great fights I just didn't remember to record. Gotta work on that. ;)

So, that's my video. Bring the hate!

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:06:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 04:39:52
I finished putting together a 27 minute video in Vegas 9, very high resolution (1920x1360), with 33 video clips shown at mostly between 2x and 4x realtime. Unfortunately, when I go to render the video, it fails horribly.

I have had 2 different problems: Either Vegas will almost totally finish the video in a relatively timely fashion, then run out of memory (I'm using 64 bit, and it took up over 15GB of RAM out of 16), or it will render OK until it reaches a particular video segment 36 minutes into the rendering process and it will stop rendering in multicore mode and drop from 5 frames per second to less than 0.8 frames per second, making the actual remaining time to render somewhere in the order of 10 hours minimum.

So far I have reduced the Dynamic RAM Preview option to 64MB, and changed the maximum number of rendering threads from 16 (wtf?) to 6 to match my processor's architecture.

I am outputting from H.264 source files (CRF 14, rendered by VirtualDub and x264vfw) to Lagarith lossless raw.

System: Phenom II 6 core, 3.7GHz; 16GB of DDR3 at 1600
Source files are on a different physical drive than the rendering output.

Any helpful suggestions would be much appreciated, I've been trying to get this dang thing to work for hours!


I seem to have found the issue. Debut video to be released in a few days.


I feel your pain - glad you got it sortedCool

Chrismyazz
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:14:00 - [3]
 

See you gave up =P

Dling and looking forward to this, size is a ridiculously large though.

Tabs27
Caldari
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:39:00 - [4]
 

Cool video Widders; I found it entertaining to watch! The Cynabal footage was my favourite! Cheers.

betterdent
Project Nemesis
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:44:00 - [5]
 

Dear god...1.2 gigs?

Tabs told me I am in it...so of course I have to download to see how terrible I am, and of course because I <3 you Widders.

Prozacxx
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:01:00 - [6]
 

Should have let the corp forum post be ur last tbh

Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:23:00 - [7]
 

Bhaalgorn and Panther have piqued my interest. Will download this tomorrow when I wake up.

HoWaa
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:29:00 - [8]
 

nice vid

Diesel47
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:52:00 - [9]
 

Pendulum makes it worth the dl.

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:06:00 - [10]
 

Oh my god I'm not banned from the forums anymore.

Also nice vid, I especially liked the parts where I'm in it.

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:18:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mystical Might on 09/08/2011 17:19:40
Yeah, I liked the vid. The solo scenes were probably the best parts, but I liked the way you cut it close while flying the cynabal.

That logistics turkey shoot was awesome, and I think I know how you managed to get em all aggressed.
Overall was A nice video, Would watch again ;P.
Would suggest trying to get more solo pvp scenes in future videos.

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:43:00 - [12]
 

whats the name of the song during the logistics turkey shoot?

Kovorix
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:30:00 - [13]
 

A couple okay fights, solid editing job (liked the damage-display thing a bunch Laughing) but really mate, low-risk, high-efficiency minded pvp does not make a good video. Not trying to be mean, just it's no fun watching a bhaalgorn with logi support, or sniper ships, or a ganking lolfit navy raven. as mentioned cynabal was the best part, but please stop using EC-300s (I know you didn't use them in some fights) and try not to use the orbit button so much, a little manual flying goes a long way, was painful watching you slip into web range from time to time.

I can tell you're a good pvper, just you need to switch the style up if you want to make enjoyable videos.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jack bubu
whats the name of the song during the logistics turkey shoot?


Every song is credited on the bottom left edge when it comes on. That one in particular is "Come Fly Away" by Benny Benassi.


Originally by: Chrismyazz
See you gave up =P

Dling and looking forward to this, size is a ridiculously large though.


Yeah, the size is pretty big, but I wasn't about to wait another hour and a half that early in the morning to redo it again. Imma go recode a smaller one right now, probably shoot for about 850MB and see how that looks.


Originally by: Mystical Might
Edited by: Mystical Might on 09/08/2011 17:19:40
Yeah, I liked the vid. The solo scenes were probably the best parts, but I liked the way you cut it close while flying the cynabal.

That logistics turkey shoot was awesome, and I think I know how you managed to get em all aggressed.
Overall was A nice video, Would watch again ;P.
Would suggest trying to get more solo pvp scenes in future videos.



Anyone with any sort of investigative head can figure out how we got 'em aggressed TBH :) I was gonna censor it, but at this point anyone with show-info and the KB engagement could figure it out.

I wish I had more solo footage, I really do. I haven't exactly had infinite time, though, and lately hisec wars have drawn me to small hunting gangs like a bear to an inviting waterfall.

The two months that came before this video consisted almost entirely of solo and solo+logi, anywhere from 1v1 to 1v8, fighting The Hatchery, Angry Bipeds, and any sucker who cared enough about their jet can.

I wish I'd recorded it all, but...

EVE never fades. It will happen again.

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:44:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Originally by: Jack bubu
whats the name of the song during the logistics turkey shoot?


Every song is credited on the bottom left edge when it comes on. That one in particular is "Come Fly Away" by Benny Benassi.




D'oh
I was so focused on the fights that i totally didnt notice that Laughing

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:46:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:24:18
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:23:50
Originally by: Kovorix
low-risk, high-efficiency minded pvp does not make a good video.

Maybe not, but it makes a good player. I gather that there a lot of people out there who seek to emulate Prons; this is a pretty decent selection of what we do, and I can't really apologize for that.


Originally by: Kovorix
please stop using EC-300s

I don't like them either, but to be straightforward about this... good luck killing a Drake in a Cynabal without them.

Hell, they didn't even work in the other fight I used them.


Originally by: Kovorix
try not to use the orbit button so much, a little manual flying goes a long way, was painful watching you slip into web range from time to time.

I, too, find that a little painful. "A little manual flying" is a solid shot below the belt, though; there's a lot of manual flying in there. TBH right now that's pretty much the biggest thing I need to work on.


Originally by: Kovorix
you need to switch the style up if you want to make enjoyable videos.

Don't worry about it. B)


Originally by: Kovorix
just it's no fun watching a bhaalgorn with logi support

But what IS fun is watching a Bhaalgorn die. Yeah, no. X)

Bryan Havoc
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:19:00 - [17]
 

Logistics turkey shoot was a lot of fun to participate in and to watch. Nice vid, I enjoyed it.

Prozacxx
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:24:18
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:23:50
Originally by: Kovorix
low-risk, high-efficiency minded pvp does not make a good video.

Maybe not, but it makes a good player.


AAHHAHAHA you really are a ******ed **** lol

Willl Adama
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:31:00 - [19]
 

I liked the editing and the flow of it all, there has obviously been put a lot of work into it.

But the content wasn't really my cup of tea. Even though the solo cyna stuff was probably the best part of it, it's still not very exciting to see 1on1s vs Bcs in a nanoship

Kovorix
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:40:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kovorix on 09/08/2011 20:48:23
Originally by: Iam Widdershins

Originally by: Kovorix
just it's no fun watching a bhaalgorn with logi support

But what IS fun is watching a Bhaalgorn die. Yeah, no. X)


Uh no, but a Bhaalgorn fit or being used in an interesting way, or maybe being pushed to the brink while fighting outnumbered would be. Also isk efficiency tends to be inversely related to pilot skill. In fact, isk efficiency obsession is my absolute most hated aspect of eve and it's really the thing that ruins the game imo. You don't seem to be getting this ugh

EDIT: but I don't want to get into an argument about that, it's too subjective. you play how you want to play just know I won't enjoy your movies Razz

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:04:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 23:16:25
Originally by: Willl Adama
I liked the editing and the flow of it all, there has obviously been put a lot of work into it.

But the content wasn't really my cup of tea. Even though the solo cyna stuff was probably the best part of it, it's still not very exciting to see 1on1s vs Bcs in a nanoship

There was a fantastically messed up fight in KBP where I pointed an obelisk, then the Se7eranc3 guys I was supposedly working with decloaked and webbed me and started shooting the freighter, and ewoks was shooting me and -7-, and eventually the freighter did die but I learned that -7- has the worst comms in the world.

Also somehow my MWD had turned off its auto-repeat, which almost got me killed. It was a spectacular clusterf+++, but the half fraps was messed up and I ended up not including it, since the best parts were gone.


Anyway, I will strive to get more sweet ass-fights for the next video. I really don't want to screw around making videos for a while now, not after spending 12h putting this one together and then having to go through the Death Gauntlet just to get it to render all the way.


Originally by: Kovorix
Also isk efficiency tends to be inversely related to pilot skill. In fact, isk efficiency obsession is my absolute most hated aspect of eve and it's really the thing that ruins the game imo. You don't seem to be getting this ugh

I vehemently disagree. Implying I might be obsessed with ISK efficiency is pretty ridiculous; I just don't see the point of going into a fight when you're gonna lose your frickin ship most of the time. The hardest thing to learn in PVP is which fights to take, and how far.

I agree that ISK efficiency on a killboard is fairly meaningless. If you just focus on that, you never leave the big gang and just ***** onto every kill. That's ******ed, and makes you an idiot. Simply being involved in a bunch of valuable kills is completely worthless next to going out there and killing two or three things yourself.

I'm not blowing a fat wallet on PVP and going out and running on the top of a fence to see which way I fall. I'm giving you a snapshot of what I do. If you like it, that's great! But I'm not about to go out and lose a bunch of ships because someone says it'll make me better.

I hope we see eye to eye on this. I know that a large portion of the crap in this video is supersafe lolpvp, and much of the rest is pretty mild, but there are plenty of people who don't know that you can take on a slaved hurricane with a vaga ship like that, to give an example. I mostly just had a couple guys beating me over the head to get some of these clips published :P

Hopefully there will be a higher proportion of stuff you like next time!

Shiroi Okami
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:29:00 - [22]
 

My data cap is already stretched thin so I won't be able to DL this just yet I think.

However this does irk me, a lot:

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Implying I might be obsessed with ISK efficiency is pretty ridiculous


Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:24:18
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:23:50
Originally by: Kovorix
low-risk, high-efficiency minded pvp does not make a good video.

Maybe not, but it makes a good player.


Isk efficiency has nothing at all to do with pilot skill, as Kovorix pointed out, the people with the highest efficiencies are often terrible at the game, they just engage in completely risk free pvp. People are not asking you to change your playstyle, if that's what you enjoy then that's fair enough, but saying things like 'low risk, high efficiency pvp makes for a good player', just annoys the **** out of me, because for those of us who actually enjoy the risk in taking on hard fights, that exact mindset is what makes the game so hard for us. People are afraid to engage because they might lose some isk efficiency or might have to actually take a risk.

Also as far as the bhaalgorn comment goes, you should look up a video called 'daredevil', where the guy used a slaved bhaalgorn to fight gangs solo without logi or links. He got some pretty awesome fights in it.

All that said I'll prolly still dl this when my cap resets, just to see what's up.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:47:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 10/08/2011 00:48:29
Originally by: Shiroi Okami
My data cap is already stretched thin so I won't be able to DL this just yet I think.

However this does irk me, a lot:

Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Implying I might be obsessed with ISK efficiency is pretty ridiculous


Originally by: Iam Widdershins
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:24:18
Edited by: Iam Widdershins on 09/08/2011 20:23:50
Originally by: Kovorix
low-risk, high-efficiency minded pvp does not make a good video.

Maybe not, but it makes a good player.


Isk efficiency has nothing at all to do with pilot skill, as Kovorix pointed out, the people with the highest efficiencies are often terrible at the game, they just engage in completely risk free pvp. People are not asking you to change your playstyle, if that's what you enjoy then that's fair enough, but saying things like 'low risk, high efficiency pvp makes for a good player', just annoys the **** out of me, because for those of us who actually enjoy the risk in taking on hard fights, that exact mindset is what makes the game so hard for us. People are afraid to engage because they might lose some isk efficiency or might have to actually take a risk.

Also as far as the bhaalgorn comment goes, you should look up a video called 'daredevil', where the guy used a slaved bhaalgorn to fight gangs solo without logi or links. He got some pretty awesome fights in it.

All that said I'll prolly still dl this when my cap resets, just to see what's up.


We seem to have a misunderstanding of sorts.

Having good ISK efficiency is not a bad thing. Being an efficient PVPer does not make you bad. Having a terrible isk efficiency means you are almost certainly bad.

Whoring onto a lot of kills on some station, on the other hand, doesn't seem efficient to me. Whoring onto suicide gankers, either. Kills are what they are, and if those ships were dying anyway there's not much reason for you to be there, and you aren't making much an account of yourself with your ****ty redundancy. Really, setting out with a high ISK efficiency as your end goal in mind, and gearing your actions towards that, DOES make you bad, as it makes you never take any risks at all.

If you are good, you can do things that are more ballsy without having a significant chance of death. If you can kill like 20 to 50 dudes per lossmail, but still going out there and getting good fights, you're doing it right. That's what I try to do. My top priority are making sure **** dies while my wallet stays happy; I'm all for taking risks if there's gain to be had!

If I'm gonna go out and lose a bunch of ships in PVP just to go do it again the same way hoping it will go better and I'll get some good video, I probably shouldn't have done that. While that methodology does produce some FANTASTIC videos (like Kil2, who set me on the path to training Amarr with his incredible sexy videos), I just don't want to do it like that. That cynabal I lost in the video, I'd had that ship for 53 weeks and killed literally hundreds of people with it.

Also I have health problems up the yin yang, so I usually feel sh+++y and tired. When I do, or when I just feel lazy, I'll fly around in hisec and kill WTs with the brosefs. I try to go for more high-points engagements, and really enjoy times when I can just settle down and f+++ with people on the undock or go "ratting" in null.

TL;DR I actually agree with you, I just really dislike losing ships. That's it really.

Easley Thames
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:22:00 - [24]
 

Good editting, mediocre footage.




Kovorix
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.08.10 05:35:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Iam Widdershins

TL;DR I actually agree with you, I just really dislike losing ships. That's it really.


I see your reasoning dude, and yeah eve is great for just going out and blowing **** up sometimes. All I can say is that from my personal experience,

1. I would not be nearly as good as I am now (which isn't very good still Laughing) if I hadn't lost tons of ships in reckless ways and thought about why, and

2. The absolute best and most enjoyable fights I've been in happened because I engaged with little to no regard for my own ship. f*ck making videos or producing footage, that feeling when you just pull through is incredible, and it usually doesn't happen if you think through "risk and reward" before you start a fight.

That's all I can say, I'll watch your next one whenever it may be made.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.10 10:31:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kovorix
Originally by: Iam Widdershins

TL;DR I actually agree with you, I just really dislike losing ships. That's it really.


I see your reasoning dude, and yeah eve is great for just going out and blowing **** up sometimes. All I can say is that from my personal experience,

1. I would not be nearly as good as I am now (which isn't very good still Laughing) if I hadn't lost tons of ships in reckless ways and thought about why, and

2. The absolute best and most enjoyable fights I've been in happened because I engaged with little to no regard for my own ship. f*ck making videos or producing footage, that feeling when you just pull through is incredible, and it usually doesn't happen if you think through "risk and reward" before you start a fight.

That's all I can say, I'll watch your next one whenever it may be made.

Yeah, that can be pretty awesome. Personally I have lost quite a number of ships in stupid ways, but I learn fast and I learn well. Some things I learned from watching other people die in stupid stupid ways. (I did a lot of this kind of learning while I was in FCON.) I generally don't make the same mistake twice (but when I do, I lose 400M isk in sacrileges).

I can understand the rush from running pell mell into a fight and just going nuts. However, losing the ship kinda ruins it for me. I've definitely gotten that "just pulled through" rush before. To me, it means "That went well, but damn you should be more careful next time." Different folks, different strokes I guess.

I enjoyed your video as well. Good stuff.

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.08.11 09:25:00 - [27]
 

I'm really awful and I posted this video to youtube like 2 days ago. The OP is now updated; enjoy your youtubes.


 

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