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Thanatha
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:11:00 - [1]
 

hello, this is a serious suggestion for improvement and not a trolling attempt, so please read calmly. ;-)

Considering that one can buy ISK with PLEX, and knowing that CCP needs more money - otherwise CCP wouldnt have come up with the NEX clothing-store, which at THIS point is USELESS since you can NOT show it off really as nobody can visit you in your captain quarters (am not saying the NeX is bad in itself), or that CCP is right now having a wholesale of their real-world items store.

How about the ability to buy skill-points for real-world money ? say 1 million skillpoints for 10 USD ?
Reason I suggest this: CCP's original idea against "grinding/camping/hoarding/griefing" is to make the skills realtime trained, on- or offline.
Which was good.
But now, with the amount of skills available, and lots of them ranging in MANY DAYS or MONTHS even to learn them at higher levels...there are immense daisy-chains of skill learning necessary to be just on your own (example: flying an ORCA) this isn't just about the "catch-up game for beginners". Sure, newbies get twice the speed in skill points until they reach 1,6 million skill-points. But 1,6 million skill-points is really nothing. And unless you've been with EVE since the beginning like I have (since Beta 4), it's rather pointless. Sure there are things you can do to be a PvP-tackler, but maybe that's not for everybody?

So to further CCPs income flow (to accelerate the "'Incarna' across EVERY ship, station,base,planet-surface") I recommend to allow to charge 10 USD for 1 million skill points.
You can also LIMIT it to a total max of say 10 or 20 million skill-points altogether, that way the "elitists" of EVE arent an 'endangered' species ;-)

thoughts? opinions? suggestions?
feedback is most welcome.
cheers Mateys

souhyeahright
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:13:00 - [2]
 

Counter-proposal: drink bleach.

Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:46:00 - [3]
 

Personally I think if it was limited to each ACCOUNT...not character, there was a hard cap on the amount and they stopped allowing the sale of characters it MIGHT be an ok idea.

Personally I think it would just be a better idea to start characters out with 3mill unassigned skill points so people could start out and choose what they want and also allow the respec of skillpoints for a cost.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:24:00 - [4]
 

Run me through your logic on why you expect a different response here than what you are receiving in the F&I section.

No.

Byteflux
Southern Cross Incorporated
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2011.08.09 00:04:00 - [5]
 

No.

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:13:00 - [6]
 

No, having to spend time on skills is one of the things that makes the acquisition of a new ship or item worthwhile. If you want instant gratification please find yourself a nice FPS.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:40:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Jint Hikaru on 09/08/2011 11:40:23
You know you should test your idea in 'Features and ideas' forum first.

While you did post there, the resulting thread of people shouting 'NO' should have told you that this idea is not for Eve.

NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Get it yet?

Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar
Dopehead Industries
True Reign
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:07:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Jhonen Senraedi on 09/08/2011 12:08:18
Bit of a laugh really all these people saying no...

Didn't see them complaining when GTC/Plex came in...........oh look..poor in game..can't be bothered to spend time and effort to build up their assets...spend real money and hey presto you're rich!

Nor do I..or did I see many complain about character trading..a most ludicrous state of affairs where a person can basically sell on his history/personality etc. to,once again,people who can't be bothered to do it themselves and want an ingame fast track..Bought with ingame isk..often funded through plex..

Don't see why this is such a big issue either..it would generate cash for CCP..and..experience of actual gameplay counts for a lot more than sp to be honest.

How many people saying no have bought characters in game?If any have and say no to your proposal..they are hypocrites..

Agree with the person who says amount avaialble to buy should be restricted per account..
Still think it would be nice if people who have to drop from game for a period of time could have their sp's pooled and available to dole out as they wish if they maintain sub..rather than having to log in to manually change skills..sometimes it isn't possible..Ill-Health,Overseas Service,Prison etc.

Kali Omega
Immortalis Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:53:00 - [9]
 

No....no.....and no

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:01:00 - [10]
 

Cross posting is bad and you should feel bad.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:18:00 - [11]
 

1: Was against PLEX's and GTC's from the start.
2: Trading Chars is wrong IMHO.
3: This proposal sucks ass. (That's no in simple terms)

End of discussion.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:18:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Alex Sinai on 09/08/2011 14:22:45
Just another brainless OP

No. Was no. Still no. Will be no.

Thomas Turnpoint
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:34:00 - [13]
 

Also a duplicate of the thread in Features & Ideas Discussion.

You going to post this in General discussion too?


Roonia
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:41:00 - [14]
 

I dont know why people are so ****ed about allowing your character to BUY skill points. You can already BUY with $$$$ a whole new PVP or whatever character. Why not be able to buy 2-3 skills for my character instead of having to wait 84834 days to train them.

Id rather spend a bit of money than wait real life hours and time instead. Its not even an issue of player skill or PAY TO WIN as you can already do it just have to buy whole character...seee...here...

$$$ -->10 x PLEX ---> ISK ----> BUY CAHRACTER ---> voila skills for money. Not only 1 skill, but I can buy A WHOLE SET OF SKILLS.

Think about it YOU CAN BUY SKILS NOW and if they implemented this...I ... WOULD ...BUY...SKILLS.

I mean cmon, its my days and my years we are talking about here, my real life that is being wasted waiting for skills to finish so I can have fun. Gives me no advantage over anyone else as I can already buy a character but I have to spend about 250 USD to do it, instead of 10 for a skill or two.

and yes...it would massively kick up CCP Revenues.

Roonia
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Roonia on 09/08/2011 22:03:53
Originally by: Drake Draconis
1: Was against PLEX's and GTC's from the start.
2: Trading Chars is wrong IMHO.
3: This proposal sucks ass. (That's no in simple terms)

End of discussion.
End of discussion.


Well you can go ahead and waste 5 years waiting for an online timer to say you can fly a certain ship (this is what skills are)....I wont.

People will money should buy skills if you dont wana change characters.
People with isk should be able to buy skills or skill sets (skill sets = characters)
People with both can do whatever.

As I explained above, this is not a PAY TO WIN situation as people can already buy characters. EVERYONE HAS SKILLS, the same skills, its just a matter of time. You are actually buying TIME. I dont know about you but my TIME is my life.

I work a lot and got a busy life, I want to get on a play sometimes but I cant because I lack the skills to fly the ships i want to fly. I dont have the cash to buy 30 mil worth of character in ISK or Cash but I can afford to pay maybe 10-15 bucks to fly a T2 drake and shorten my waiting time by 3 months.

I do not agree with being able to buy PTW items, which I define as items which based on IN GAME Mechanics, give you the ability to beat other players, like better guns, better ammo, better anything...they key word here is BETTER.

What I got for you and all those out there who cannot see beyond the PTW cloud, shove the elitism up your @$$. I value my life and its my time I want to buy

Flapkonijn
Diamonds and Guns
Posted - 2011.08.12 12:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Roonia
$$$ -->10 x PLEX ---> ISK ----> BUY CAHRACTER ---> voila skills for money. Not only 1 skill, but I can buy A WHOLE SET OF SKILLS.[/b]
You forget something about yout little step system,

Supply and demand... you still need people to train up the chars to get to the point of selling one and find someone who like it.

If everyone would buy the 100mil chars then the demand goes up and supply goes down... meaning the once 80bil char goes up to 160bil.

All the isk spend is mostly still generated through plex and in-game revenue.
Which keeps it all still within game mechanics.

With buy SPS for $$$$ with RL money you would replace isk entirely making the rich just uber titan fleets.

SO sorry i say NO to =)

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Roonia
I dont know why people are so ****ed about allowing your character to BUY skill points. You can already BUY with $$$$ a whole new PVP or whatever character. Why not be able to buy 2-3 skills for my character instead of having to wait 84834 days to train them.

Id rather spend a bit of money than wait real life hours and time instead. Its not even an issue of player skill or PAY TO WIN as you can already do it just have to buy whole character...seee...here...

$$$ -->10 x PLEX ---> ISK ----> BUY CAHRACTER ---> voila skills for money. Not only 1 skill, but I can buy A WHOLE SET OF SKILLS.

Think about it YOU CAN BUY SKILS NOW and if they implemented this...I ... WOULD ...BUY...SKILLS.

I mean cmon, its my days and my years we are talking about here, my real life that is being wasted waiting for skills to finish so I can have fun. Gives me no advantage over anyone else as I can already buy a character but I have to spend about 250 USD to do it, instead of 10 for a skill or two.

and yes...it would massively kick up CCP Revenues.


Constantly reappearing "ideas" like this makes me wonder. Maybe CCP should make a different game, which would consist just of getting SP over time. Because apparently there are lots of people who play solely "number of SP" game. Then CCP would introduce paid SP into that game and make a shiny profit...

Kelevana
Posted - 2011.08.14 00:49:00 - [18]
 

I think its the same 10 people who go from thread to thread saying NOOOOO to this and so many other new ideas. But yet so many people keep posting about the same ideas. Buying SP is buying SP, whether its from buying a character or straight up buying SP.

But also should be a limit to it, 1 plex for a months worth of training, max of 6 per acct per year. So can get 18 months worth of training done in 12 months, so many people who want this can get them extra skills they want, but also for the super rich, can't get 0 to max SP in a day. Plus they still will have to think about what they will put them points into.

And them bitter vets will still have a huge lead over newer players in SP and skill wise. YARRRR!!

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:06:00 - [19]
 

Absolutely not, GTFO you are clueless and must hate EVE online to suggest such a terrible thing.

Kelevana
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:18:00 - [20]
 

Why is it so many that are against something like this is always so rude and crude. This is suppose to be a civil place to discuss new ideas and suggestions. Not "clueless" ignorant people like you. You don't speak for everyone, so stop trying to pretend you do.

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2011.08.14 23:37:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Bo Tosh on 14/08/2011 23:37:16
Not supported.

If you want instant gratification EvE is not the game for you. I suggest you find a nice FPS where everything is served up on a platter for your instant use.

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.14 23:42:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kelevana
Why is it so many that are against something like this is always so rude and crude. This is suppose to be a civil place to discuss new ideas and suggestions. Not "clueless" ignorant people like you. You don't speak for everyone, so stop trying to pretend you do.

This isn't a new suggestion by a long stretch and feel free to go check the general consensus from all those other threads. I will give you a breakdown to save you some time' it's "NO GTFO".

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.15 10:19:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kelevana
Why is it so many that are against something like this is always so rude and crude. This is suppose to be a civil place to discuss new ideas and suggestions. Not "clueless" ignorant people like you. You don't speak for everyone, so stop trying to pretend you do.


It didn't start that way. But you or OP should have searched the forum before posting Yet Another SP cheat thread. The fact that you didn't is the reason why people are rude to you.

Alx Warlord
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:39:00 - [24]
 

Posting this you know that you would be trolled by everyone...
Also you know that this is the only thing you cant sereously sugests...
Becouse CCP already had allot of headache and players leaving just becouse 1 dev sugested the possibility...
so...

No...

Can I Unsuport the Idea?

Spazz21
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.08.15 15:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: souhyeahright
Counter-proposal: drink bleach.


I don't support OP's idea, but I do support this counter proposal.

Incase you live under a rock, this idea was brought to attention few weeks ago with the leak of the CCP magazine. To sum it up, people thought they were going to let people buy an advantage in EvE. Pretty much everyone, including myself, went ape **** over this. It's a horrible idea.

Not even WoW or any other game that has buy item features instead of paying monthly subscription that I am aware of has the feature to buy levels with real money.

One needs to realize that not everyone has rich parents to give their fat loser kids to buy everything. A lot of us have jobs and other **** to pay, so paying extra on top of the monthly costs for a game isn't really something for everyone. Then again, if the OP and anyone agreeing thinks having more SP makes you better, you are sadly mistaken. I have 110mil SP, and I know for a damn fact theres plenty of lower SP players that could easily take me on in a 1v1 fight.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.08.15 15:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Roonia
I dont know why people are so ****ed about allowing your character to BUY skill points. You can already BUY with $$$$ a whole new PVP or whatever character. Why not be able to buy 2-3 skills for my character instead of having to wait 84834 days to train them.
Because when you buy a character, it comes with a choice history. Not only the choice of what skills it trained, but to what level.

What you and the OP are asking for, are ways to avoid having to make those choices. You want instant SP and skill level gratification, that is what we are against.

David Fightmaster
Gallente
The Black Legionnares
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.15 21:45:00 - [27]
 

Go play a free MMO. This is the dumbest proposal by far.

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:14:00 - [28]
 

If you's would check, I post in a lot of the other threads that propose a idea like this. And a lot of other MMO's, have double XP potions, weeks, weekends etc to help close the gap from newer players and vet players, they do that so the game will survive and attract new players. I know several people who didn't start play eve and a lot more that quit eve cause of the SP gap.

If this game is to survive, it needs something like this or will have a slow death. As more veteran players leave the game and the lack of newer players that leave the game after a little, this game will die and none of us will be able to enjoy this wonderful game. If people like you's have your way, this game is dead.

Say what you want, call me names all you want, you doomsayers will kill this game. Eve needs something like this and some other things for it to survive. Or the player count when we all log on will keep going down.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:13:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Roonia
I dont know why people are so ****ed about allowing your character to BUY skill points. You can already BUY with $$$$ a whole new PVP or whatever character. Why not be able to buy 2-3 skills for my character instead of having to wait 84834 days to train them.
Because when you buy a character, it comes with a choice history. Not only the choice of what skills it trained, but to what level.

What you and the OP are asking for, are ways to avoid having to make those choices. You want instant SP and skill level gratification, that is what we are against.


Thanks for putting that so succinctly Mag's. I couldn't have said it better myself, and lord knows I've tried.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:39:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Roonia
I dont know why people are so ****ed about allowing your character to BUY skill points. You can already BUY with $$$$ a whole new PVP or whatever character. Why not be able to buy 2-3 skills for my character instead of having to wait 84834 days to train them.
Because when you buy a character, it comes with a choice history. Not only the choice of what skills it trained, but to what level.

What you and the OP are asking for, are ways to avoid having to make those choices. You want instant SP and skill level gratification, that is what we are against.


Thanks for putting that so succinctly Mag's. I couldn't have said it better myself, and lord knows I've tried.
<3 Thank you mate, you're most welcome.


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