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Archa4 Badasaz
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:08:00 - [1]
 

I found some nice fits on battleclinic for ravens and CNR, but all the favorite ones were with XL-Booster. I tried my first L4 mission yesterday in a raven with XL, and yeah it was pretty easy, but I was trying to trigger spawns in specific order. But isn't it better to use Large Shield booster, instead of XL one? U get more CPU that u can use for faction mods (for CNR, don't think it's good to use them in a raven)?
With my skills I can run XL booster for 1m 2s and large one for 2m 31s. So I get about the same amount of shields but with Large one it's more gradual income, and i have lots of CPU to spare...
So, can someone give me Main reason why XL?

Ezee Monee
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:26:00 - [2]
 

The answer lies with your skills - they are weak.

Depending on the mission, fittings an XL booster allows you tank high spike damage (like a lot of ships all at once) where the LG booster is CAP STABLE so you can move about the mission as you please without micro-management of the booster.

Taron Hakard
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:37:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Taron Hakard on 08/08/2011 16:43:07
If you're not using T2 Cruise Launchers then you probably don't have enough DPS for some missions and the XL booster comes into play there. If most of the time you feel like you don't need to tank much, that's fine and normal, you stack on DPS modules to accomplish that.

On a side note, Raven doesn't have fitting issues, 'last not untill you get to T2 launchers. Also faction modules require less fitting space than T2, so i don't see what point you're trying to make.

Exploited Engineer
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:18:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Taron Hakard
On a side note, Raven doesn't have fitting issues,


Unless you're trying to come up with a PvE torpedo fitting. T2 siege launchers will eat your PG and CPU like candy.

Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:50:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 17:50:33
Mike712 has some very good raven fits on battleclinic, cheap low skill and expensive higher skill fits and he does a great job of answering questions about why he fits them the way he does.

Starter Raven

L4 Mission Raven


Taron Hakard
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:05:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 17:50:33
Mike712 has some very good raven fits on battleclinic, cheap low skill and expensive higher skill fits and he does a great job of answering questions about why he fits them the way he does.

Starter Raven

L4 Mission Raven



3x CCC rigs on a Raven? Those fittings are awful. They don't compare Liang's Raven.

grumpyguts1
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:43:00 - [7]
 

The reason you use an XL is that it has a bigger repair amount. You will not be perma running either of them so its more efficient to boost a bigger amount less of the time.
I hated using cap boosters as a noob as there was too much to worry about already so I used ccc. In the end it will depend on how your play style, but I never lost a ship to a mission yet.

My fits below, it is a sansha setup, you will need to change fit to be mission specific. Like I said this was what I felt comfortable with.. so you may prefer other fits. After getting better skills and more confidence I switched to the second fit.

[Raven, Serpentis]

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I_2
Shield Boost Amplifier I_2
Heat Dissipation Field II_2
Heat Dissipation Field II_2
Ballistic Deflection Field II_2
Ballistic Deflection Field II_2

Damage Control II_2
Co-Processor II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2

Hobgoblin II, 5i
Hammerhead II, 5i





[Raven, Serpentis 2]

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I_2, Wrath Cruise Missile

Large Shield Booster II_2
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron_2
Heat Dissipation Field II_2
Invulnerability Field II_2
LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets_2
Ballistic Deflection Field II_2

Damage Control II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I_2

Hobgoblin II, 5i
Hammerhead II, 5i



Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Taron Hakard
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 17:50:33
Mike712 has some very good raven fits on battleclinic, cheap low skill and expensive higher skill fits and he does a great job of answering questions about why he fits them the way he does.

Starter Raven

L4 Mission Raven



3x CCC rigs on a Raven? Those fittings are awful. They don't compare Liang's Raven.


As starter rigs... he admits they're training wheels. Very Happy

I've seen Liang's fit, not bad, but I don't need the cap booster. I run a booster-less fit and it works fine as long as I manage my cap. I run the exact same mids but sub a shield boost amp for the cap-booster.

Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.08.08 19:58:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 19:58:03
DP ugh

Substantia Nigra
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:23:00 - [10]
 

I still recall one of my early-days mentors advising against fitting an oversized shield booster on a ship (e.g. medium on frigate etc). IIRC the logic went something along the lines that with an oversized booster you spent less time near your shield refresh sweet spot (around 30%). I tested various approaches for mission running and found that large booster on BS worked every bit as well as xtra-large and came with less 'baggage'. Having said that I do have an oversized (large) booster fitted to my favourite tengu and am very happy with that.

BearJews
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:34:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Taron Hakard
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 17:50:33
Mike712 has some very good raven fits on battleclinic, cheap low skill and expensive higher skill fits and he does a great job of answering questions about why he fits them the way he does.

Starter Raven

L4 Mission Raven



3x CCC rigs on a Raven? Those fittings are awful. They don't compare Liang's Raven.


As starter rigs... he admits they're training wheels. Very Happy

I've seen Liang's fit, not bad, but I don't need the cap booster. I run a booster-less fit and it works fine as long as I manage my cap. I run the exact same mids but sub a shield boost amp for the cap-booster.



CCC fit raven just doesn't work with t2 cruises. I've tried it personally and i find that if a ship is moving then the t2 ammo just sucks if you don't rigor it and have a TP. And it's still not all that great. I think the raven really shines with t2 ammo when it's actually hitting for full damage for each launch.

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:35:00 - [12]
 

how is x-l booster oversized for a bs when cap ships use capital shield boosters?

It all depends on what you want to do but I always prefered pithum medium or 2 x pithi small booster because I am lazy and missions are bad enough without having to micro manage cap and shield.

Inserith Peon
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:06:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Inserith Peon on 08/08/2011 22:11:58
When you get better skills you won't want to be fitting any cap rigs at all. If you run an XL booster, you can pair it with a shield boost amp and a heavy cap booster plus two invuls. Your rigs will be all damage/rate-of-fire/optimal stuff. This works for any shield tanking BS with at least 5 mid slots. If you have 6 then you can add an Afterburner. The idea obviously is to tank by your own DPS output, killing the highest incoming damage-dealers first.

An alternative strategy, which does in fact work very well in practice, is to fit two smaller sized shield boosters with a boost amp (the boost amp affects BOTH the boosters). In these cases you can often perma-run them if you are lazy, or perma-run one, and pulse the other when you need it. This works well on cruiser sized hulls, T3s particularly do well with two Pith C-type small boosters.

I remember running a ridiculously over-tanked CNR for ages with 4 hardeners when my skills were low. Now I have pretty much everything I need for PVE at 5, I can do all my level 4s in a regular Tempest with above shield setup, 3 tracking enhancers and 3 gyros in the lows, all T2 as there is very little to gain from faction. Obviously, I know most of the missions and their triggers from experience, if I have to do a mission like worlds collide, I will fit 1 rat specific hardener + an invul.

A Cruise-fitted regular Raven would be something like this for example, obviously you snipe as often as you can, you can hit to 150km with the SEBO running (actual range is over 200 but you can't target that far), it does 600+DPs with the missiles only -

EDIT: (posted before I'd finished writing) - If you want more tank in this case then you need to drop the SEBO or the Boost amp for a cap booster.

You can also run a Torpedo fit in a similar fashion but it is a bugger to fit on a standard Raven without 5% CPU+PG implants.

[Raven, Cruise]

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Hope that helps a bit...

Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:43:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: BearJews
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Taron Hakard
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 08/08/2011 17:50:33
Mike712 has some very good raven fits on battleclinic, cheap low skill and expensive higher skill fits and he does a great job of answering questions about why he fits them the way he does.

Starter Raven

L4 Mission Raven



3x CCC rigs on a Raven? Those fittings are awful. They don't compare Liang's Raven.


As starter rigs... he admits they're training wheels. Very Happy

I've seen Liang's fit, not bad, but I don't need the cap booster. I run a booster-less fit and it works fine as long as I manage my cap. I run the exact same mids but sub a shield boost amp for the cap-booster.



CCC fit raven just doesn't work with t2 cruises. I've tried it personally and i find that if a ship is moving then the t2 ammo just sucks if you don't rigor it and have a TP. And it's still not all that great. I think the raven really shines with t2 ammo when it's actually hitting for full damage for each launch.


Mhmm, good point Bear, I think the idea with that fit is most people are going to be moving on to the Raven from the passive tank drake and those CCCs give just a little bit of needed confidence. Most fits I have seen with the CCCs are running arbalests. By the time someone is able to run T2 cruises switching to the rigors would definitely be the way to go... no arguments from me on that.

Substantia Nigra
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime
how is x-l booster oversized for a bs when cap ships use capital shield boosters?


Good point, thanks. That's one thing I enjoy about eve, and these forums: There is always something new to learn, relearn, or be corrected upon.

/me revises mental model of small booster = frigates, medium = cruiser/BC, large = BS, XL = well, extra large!

Thanks.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.08.09 01:21:00 - [16]
 

My Raven fit, based mostly on Liang's with minor adjustments for my preferences and skills.

I use an X-L as it is really great for handing the initial big spike of damage one can get on warp-in. After that group is done, I can turn-off my hardeners as I orbit the gate/beacon at 105 km, as nothing can touch me.


[Raven, Basic vs. Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster

[empty high slot]
Small Tractor Beam I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Tre'bor Adnama
Posted - 2011.08.09 04:04:00 - [17]
 

Who does missions in battleships? WTF. Come on now. Stick to manly smaller ships. If you must a battlecruiser. For shame, for shame.

greengimp7
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Archa4 Badasaz
I found some nice fits on battleclinic for ravens and CNR, but all the favorite ones were with XL-Booster. I tried my first L4 mission yesterday in a raven with XL, and yeah it was pretty easy, but I was trying to trigger spawns in specific order. But isn't it better to use Large Shield booster, instead of XL one? U get more CPU that u can use for faction mods (for CNR, don't think it's good to use them in a raven)?
With my skills I can run XL booster for 1m 2s and large one for 2m 31s. So I get about the same amount of shields but with Large one it's more gradual income, and i have lots of CPU to spare...
So, can someone give me Main reason why XL?


To answer your question there is no real reason why you should use the XL over the large. Most people just like being able to boost a big chunk at one time but the thing is that both the large and the XL are both going to give you the exact same amount of shield boost per cap used (speaking for T2) It is just that one gives it faster than the other, and neither one on properly fitted gank setup will be stable.

And to clarify there is no mission that can't be done with the large that the XL will let you do, all the missions can be done with either booster just the same the large is just easier to fit.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:43:00 - [19]
 

It's been a very long time since I did any missioning. But when I did, I used an X-large booster and 3x CCC rigs.

I understand the point of the rigor and flare rigs. But I prefer to let my drones handle the small stuff while I use the cruise missiles to mop up the bigger ships.

I also used to use lots of cap recharge stuff like rechargers and flux coils. However, after reviewing the old fit, I decided to revise it and go with a cap booster w/400s and a pair of PDS II in lows. So this:

lows:
BCS II x3
PDS II x2

mids:
X-large C5-L shield booster
Shield Boost Amp
2x mission specific T2 hardeners
Heavy Electromechanical Cap booster w/400s
Sensor Booster II w/range script

Highs:
6x Arbalest Cruise Launchers w/mission specific missiles
1x salvager
1x tractor beam

Rigs:
3x Large Cap Control circuits

Drones:
5x Mission specific small T2 drones
5x Mission specific medium T2 drones

It's a shame to have 235km range on my cruise missiles and only a locking range of 80 or so. So SeBo with range script. Alternatively, I could put in a prop mod of some kind. Plenty of grid for it.

With the cap booster I now get almost 5 mins of continuous cap with everything running. As soon as I shut off the shield booster, I can kill the cap booster and sit pretty at 88% cap.

I find PDS to be one of the most useful mods to fit in low slots besides a DCU or nanofiber. More grid, cap, shields, mmm.

Salvager and tractor should be self-explanatory, though they are not as useful without a prop mod. If you find them to be crap, with all your extra grid from the PDSes you could fit a couple heavy neuts if your fitting skills are good (AWU 5). They'd be one hell of a surprise if you get ganked. Oh, and with Energy Emission Systems 5, you're still cap stable with them running. It's the shield booster that kills your cap. Use it wisely.

To those of you fitting 4x BCS, you are wasting a slot. The fourth unit gives almost no bonuses due to stacking penalties, especially with the built-in DPS bonuses of the Raven. Every time you waste a slot, a kitten dies somewhere.

I understand the point to rigor and flare rigs. I prefer to use my drones for small stuff, since the Raven doesn't have a large drone bay. Those will eat anything that your missiles have issues with.

Blackberry Cobbler
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:23:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tre'bor Adnama
Who does missions in battleships? WTF. Come on now. Stick to manly smaller ships. If you must a battlecruiser. For shame, for shame.


Who does lvl 4 missions in battlecruisers? Yuck.


Dave Auscent
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:29:00 - [21]
 

My Gist C-Type Large is pretty close to an X-L, it cycles for less (but cycles quite a bit faster), and my SNI (I know, different ship) is cap stable with it running.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:23:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Substantia Nigra
I still recall one of my early-days mentors advising against fitting an oversized shield booster on a ship (e.g. medium on frigate etc). IIRC the logic went something along the lines that with an oversized booster you spent less time near your shield refresh sweet spot (around 30%).


There are two "sweet spots" to look at. One is the shield recharge rate, the other is the capacitor recharge rate. But "sweet spots" only matter for sustained operation.

The X-Large and Large give similar HP per cap, but the X-Large produces about double the HP per second. Thus during crunch times (e.g.: between aggroing the whole room and killing off the major DPS sources) you can run the X-Large for a couple of minutes before you run out of cap. A large booster will not cope with that much incoming DPS.

Taron Hakard
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:36:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Maximum Kiely
I've seen Liang's fit, not bad, but I don't need the cap booster. I run a booster-less fit and it works fine as long as I manage my cap. I run the exact same mids but sub a shield boost amp for the cap-booster.


If CCC rigs are enough for you, then why not trade them with a capacitor booster and do alot more damage while sacrificing absolutely nothing.

Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
Posted - 2011.08.10 16:04:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Taron Hakard
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
I've seen Liang's fit, not bad, but I don't need the cap booster. I run a booster-less fit and it works fine as long as I manage my cap. I run the exact same mids but sub a shield boost amp for the cap-booster.


If CCC rigs are enough for you, then why not trade them with a capacitor booster and do alot more damage while sacrificing absolutely nothing.


Actually Taron I think I'm getting to the point skill-wise (and L4 knowledge-wise) where I can ditch my 2 CCCs for more Rigors and still not need to cap booster for most L4s. For things like "The Blockade" I could always fit one for backup though. It is hard to give one fit that is ideal for all L4s, sometimes you need a bit more tank other times you can safely sacrifice the tank for more DPS, etc...

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.08.11 06:37:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Rip Minner on 11/08/2011 06:38:06
I can run my Malstrom at cap stable with a large Gist C-Type Shield Booster+Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier+4 Mission shield hardners tech 2 and full gank on low's and highs full of ether 800mm Auto's or 1200mm Arty's as I see fit and be cap stable but I do have 2xFull Crystal Implants. And have 3xCCC rigs.

Basicly I just think you need a better BS and not a better set up for the Raven.ugh

Hayward Cyprus
Caldari
Elite Force
Posted - 2011.08.11 15:01:00 - [26]
 

The only reason for an XL Booster is that you need it on some very few occasions when **** really hits the fan.
Most missions you are fine with Large and as a newbie it will be much easier to fit. There are missions where you don't ever need to boost at all.

If you are skilled out, with an XL booster you should be able to run it for at least 3 minutes or so. That's enough time to tank 500-600dps (that some harder missions can dish out) and either reduce damage enough to a tankable limit or to kill scramblers and warp out.


That's really the only reason you would fit an XL-Booster, but that **** does happen.

Also for newer players Cap Boosters are actually pretty good, because they can buy you a lot of time where your tank holds up.



 

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