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Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:15:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: mkint
CCP is going to do it their way, and it is going to go on record as one of the worst failures in gaming history. No amount of feedback and warning to CCP will make any bit of difference.


It is hard to see why you even play Eve with such a positive outlook on things :) but at least you made some attempt to structure you posting in a way that:
1. Itemized your perspective on CCP
2. Supported your ideas drawing from past experience with CCP
3. Attempted to sound relevant yet left us all with the after tastes of emo sprinkled with a pinch of troll.

While your post made me smile I still would like the hypotheticals discussed about way the game could succeed in the eyes of Eve players, elements Eve players would like to see in the game, etc instead of the typical doom and gloom; unconstructive critism that lays in every other posting regarding new "features" within Eve. :)



Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:18:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: handige harrie
I would love to see the whole weapon/armour and vehicle thing being run like EvE. You can buy Plex to sell for isk [or just grind/transfer isk from EvE] and EvE gets Blueprints for every weapon (and ammo) in Dust, so if you want a weapon, you have to purchase it on the market.

Keep the prices a bit lifelike, so a weapon can cost anywere between 150 and 50000 isk, but if you want big toys like a tank, it'll cost you a good couple of million. This way anyone can buy cheapish weapons and ammo to do pew pew, but big toys, are still for big boys, or a lot of smaller boys.


+1

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:19:00 - [33]
 

Eve's development has suffered because of Dust.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:19:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Smoking Blunts on 07/08/2011 14:19:52
my one concern regarding dust is:

that ccp will use aur as a way for us to pay them. making it so alliances are buying up plex's with all there moon goo income and using it to pay for sov attacks, sov defence and anything else ccp is gonna link dust to sov with.

while i dont think ccp are supid enough to wreck the balance of the markets in eve. i do think ccp are stupid enough to link aur to dust.

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:49:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 07/08/2011 10:26:56
I think people are concerned rather than scared... I'm looking forward to it, but I really hope it is done right.

Conceptually I actually like the idea but I'm worried that there is a tradeoff between making the link do something meaningful, and having it break Eve.

The main problem I can see is with the currency and/or any method of directly trading with Dust players:

Either: Having the same currency would be required, assuming there is some direct way of transfering cash, or the realmoney-for-isk situation will not work (as people will buy isk in whichever game is cheaper, and then transfer it).

Or: If there is no transfer of currency, but there is trading of Dust-produced stuff for Eve-produced stuff, then this will be tricky to balance... any stuff which is used in one game (eg small arms used in Dust) but possible to produce in the other (small arms is a commodity in Eve) will have to be cheaper to produce in the other (to make the link in any way meaningful the markets should interact), but not so cheap as to break the market in the game where it is used (small arms should not be so cheap in Eve that we can flood the dust market with them).


From what I have seen/heard:
-Both games will use the same currencies
-Eve players will be allowed to transfer ISK from Eve to Dust
-No real player based market planned at this time everything will be NPC seeded to my understanding

I do have hopes that eventually they will open this up for Eve players but I think upon release this is a smart idea to leave things NPC seeded

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:52:00 - [36]
 

Can you just plug a PC mouse into a PS3's USB port and use it?

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:55:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Eve's development has suffered because of Dust.


There is no way to actually prove that unfortunately, especially since they hired an outside team to develop most of it at their China division. The dollars they spent on these the type of investments would of been allocated for other new development ideas most like anyway if they weren't allocated for this project. Most corporation set a budget for the development of new projects and the other part for the fixing and "streamlining" of existing features. That being said I actually take more issue with the waste of time of this Encarta release which has really brought nothing new feature wise to the table. I suppose it boils down to what aspects of the Eve world players wish to take part in will skew their perspective towards whether the development dollars are allocated in their minds correctly.

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:58:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Can you just plug a PC mouse into a PS3's USB port and use it?


I use the keyboard/mouse all the time on my PS3, that being siad I have never tested its responsiveness on an FPS

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:00:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mitauchi
Originally by: Bane Necran
Can you just plug a PC mouse into a PS3's USB port and use it?


I use the keyboard/mouse all the time on my PS3, that being siad I have never tested its responsiveness on an FPS


It can't possibly be any worse than the knob on console controllers.

As long as using a mouse on a PS3 is that easy i'm sold.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:07:00 - [40]
 

Just my opinion, but having a very small fanbase (250k at best, with alts probably more like 50-100k actual subscribers) limits your ability to do great things. (Might be why monocles are 70$, sub revenue coupled with plex profits just aren't cutting it these days) I believe most people who play this game are probably not interested in a completely different genre based on another platform that costs 400$ and is not really worth purchasing save for a few good exclusive titles here and there. I also believe most people who don't play EvE are barely aware of its existence (if people here never talked about it here on the forums, I personally would forget it existed). I don't foresee this game being a blockbuster in any sense of the term.

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:21:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Just my opinion, but having a very small fanbase (250k at best, with alts probably more like 50-100k actual subscribers) limits your ability to do great things. (Might be why monocles are 70$, sub revenue coupled with plex profits just aren't cutting it these days) I believe most people who play this game are probably not interested in a completely different genre based on another platform that costs 400$ and is not really worth purchasing save for a few good exclusive titles here and there. I also believe most people who don't play EvE are barely aware of its existence (if people here never talked about it here on the forums, I personally would forget it existed). I don't foresee this game being a blockbuster in any sense of the term.


The interesting thing is truly it doesn't have to be a blockbuster to actually be a success for CCP. I have been contacted by several gaming communities on PS3 that I used to play games like MAG, SoCom, etc. All of the players knew I played Eve Online as well and know little about Eve but really are interested in the game DUST and are following it closely. I was surprised by how many people really showed interest in the game that have had no real clue about Eve.

Nyrak
Posted - 2011.08.07 16:00:00 - [42]
 

When the game was first announced, I had an interest because it was supposed to have been interlinked with planetary interaction which was a new angle in Eve I was starting. While only a "carebear" at heart, the thrilling thought of having my soldiers destroy my neighbors on the same high sec planets I was mining had a certain appeal to me. Though the past video had me more a benevolent ruler - which was an aspect never implemented, I wanted to crush my enemies and claim the planet as my own. But then it was recently announced Dust was for null sec and their sovereignty issues. Since then, I lost interest in Dust and casually watch my long left neighbors' set-ups rot away on the planets.

Plus it might have brought a new angle to the walking in station stuff - walking on planets (or at least your own little set-ups).

Zela Kahn
Posted - 2011.08.07 16:01:00 - [43]
 

Sounds like EvE players are scared...

1.09 K/D ratio in BFBC2

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.08.07 17:31:00 - [44]
 

DUST has the potential to change how everyone looks at FPS. The fact that EVE players need to handle the logistics of DUST players is pretty amazing. And the maps look massive so I guess we'll be transporting them as well.

DUST kinda looks like a mix between Arma and battlefield with a sci-fi twist. It requires the coordination of Arma but still has the action battlefield has.


Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.07 17:37:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Fredfredbug4
DUST kinda looks like a mix between Arma and battlefield with a sci-fi twist. It requires the coordination of Arma but still has the action battlefield has.


It looks a lot like BF2142, which i enjoyed thoroughly.

Wasn't as popular with the battlefield crowd as the others in the series because they couldn't get past the sci-fi aspects, but it was a very good game.

Dusty Warrior
Posted - 2011.08.07 17:41:00 - [46]
 

Only thing scared me about DUST ### when I heard about it was it would take away resources once dedicated to EVE content development and bug fixes.

Looking over post announcement expansions "I" myself feel my fear has merit.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.07 18:31:00 - [47]
 

Hi,

I was looking forward to play Dust 514. I very much liked the idea of interconnecting EVE Online players with Dust 514 players. That would be outstanding success and revolution in gaming industry if done right. I don't have PS3 at the moment but was actually planning to buy one to play Dust 514.
Once i hear that Dust 514 will have MT P2W scheme my interest dropped considerably but I still had a wish to give it a try without use of its P2W offers just because it will be a game connected to EVE universe. And of course I was interested to see how the interaction with EVE Online will be via Dust 514 players eyes to make it more useful for me in EVE Online and interesting for Dust 514 players.

That was before ongoing NoX MT P2W attempt on EVE Online. I got so disgusted by CCP actions concerning that ongoing attempt that I lost nearly all my trust to CCP's continuous development of EVE free of P2W and so worried that P2W will be implemented into EVE that I'm not even remotely considering Dust 514 anymore.

Atirix
Posted - 2011.08.07 20:13:00 - [48]
 

A part of me thinks it's going to be successful, at least initially. People are gonna read about it and be like "Wow, it affects another game, thats COOL!" Like the sheep they are, they will flock to it. Then it'll eventually fall to the way side.

But I also suspect it's gonna be buggy as hell, only appeal to a very small amount of people, and not be able to handle all the competition, that the game EVE itself does not have. If CCP is incapable of fixing the numerous bugs and unfinished features in EVE, what makes you think they are capable of launching a successful FPS in a market already full of competition?

Either way, I'm still gonna be playing internet spaceships...


Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.07 20:31:00 - [49]
 

The sooner Dust fails and gets rid of console kiddies in Eve the better.

Zela Kahn
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:40:00 - [50]
 

Dust will prove to be a great endeavor regardless of this post.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:49:00 - [51]
 

Just will throw 2 cents.

Cent #1: Japanese localized client hand-with-hand with NEXCOM, who essentially rules the MMORPG market in Japan
Cent #2: 23 million PS3 in Japan

Am I making myself understood?

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:10:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Fredfredbug4
DUST kinda looks like a mix between Arma and battlefield with a sci-fi twist. It requires the coordination of Arma but still has the action battlefield has.


It looks a lot like BF2142, which i enjoyed thoroughly.

Wasn't as popular with the battlefield crowd as the others in the series because they couldn't get past the sci-fi aspects, but it was a very good game.


Battlefield 2142 was my obession at one point. It was a fantastic game that would of changed the gaming industry if people weren't so concerned with the sci-fi setting.

This is part of why I want to see DUST succeed. It reminds me of a game I was attached too. But unlikely 2142 where the sci-fi setting didn't fit into the rest of the series (even though I loved it) DUST fits in perfectly.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:23:00 - [53]
 

im so glad i didnt go for the xbox when the rumours came out, however since i hate the stupid PS3 and sony and their failures i think i will get the xbox anyway and play forza 4 instead.

funk dust and the pony it rides in on.

Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:40:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Albetta
Or the two years they have spent on it indicates it will be very, very good, and not a cookie cutter FPS. I hope.

This. I mean just look at the amazing quality of Incarna after only 6 years of development.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.08.07 23:00:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Ghoest on 07/08/2011 23:01:20
I think most EVE players are 99& indifferent to the game itself. Although most people resent that it let to 18 months of no new content being added to EVE.

Ill be playing PlanetSide 2.

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.08.07 23:09:00 - [56]
 

Dust will be a failure guaranteed.

And yes i'm rasheed wallace

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.08.08 00:21:00 - [57]
 

look at sales of FPS games this gen
1st place is 360
2nd place is PS3
3rd is PC

that looks fine, but shooters sell probably 150% more on 360 then PS3 nearly tripling sales... dust is a new game, no one on console knows or cares about eve online. so PS3 only is a stupid idea in many ways...
lets look at it
-PS3 already has lots of exclusive shooters that are branded as AAA titles such as uncharted and killzone so goodluck dust making an impression
- 360 has only a few exclusives, adding a new one would probably have monetary incentives from microsoft, also, the RTS style aspect could have utilized kinect which again, microsoft wanted.
-sales wise 360>PS3 in america and Europe so again, 360 would be a better place for the game.

i have both consoles... i have 1 online shooter on PS3 ( mag) and one single player shooter (uncharted 2) the rest of my shooters are on 360, why? its better for shooters, PS3 has lots of good RPGs and stuff but for shooters PS3 is a stupid choice

Bustin Jieber
Posted - 2011.08.08 00:21:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Brusanan
This. I mean just look at the amazing quality of Incarna after only 6 years of development.

Boosh

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:10:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Atirix
If CCP is incapable of fixing the numerous bugs and unfinished features in EVE, what makes you think they are capable of launching a successful FPS in a market already full of competition?



1. They hired a complete different team to make the game based out of China to create the game.
2. Being such a different game that COD or BF not sure if it will have any direct competition. I think different FPS players will play different games. Some just want to run and gun others will like the potential depth DUST will offer. Hard for me the lump these games together anymore than I would lump Eve Players with those in WoW.

Mitauchi
NOMAD.
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:20:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Herping yourDerp
look at sales of FPS games this gen
1st place is 360
2nd place is PS3
3rd is PC

that looks fine, but shooters sell probably 150% more on 360 then PS3 nearly tripling sales... dust is a new game, no one on console knows or cares about eve online. so PS3 only is a stupid idea in many ways...
lets look at it
-PS3 already has lots of exclusive shooters that are branded as AAA titles such as uncharted and killzone so goodluck dust making an impression
- 360 has only a few exclusives, adding a new one would probably have monetary incentives from microsoft, also, the RTS style aspect could have utilized kinect which again, microsoft wanted.
-sales wise 360>PS3 in america and Europe so again, 360 would be a better place for the game.

i have both consoles... i have 1 online shooter on PS3 ( mag) and one single player shooter (uncharted 2) the rest of my shooters are on 360, why? its better for shooters, PS3 has lots of good RPGs and stuff but for shooters PS3 is a stupid choice


-Check the MAG boards and then tell me they won't be playing DUST. Every clan from MAG I know is going to check it out especially since MAG is dead.

-I believe CCP only released it on PS3 intially because there is less competition for this type of game there. You have Planetside 2 releasing on PC only and Xbox is crafting their own version of a DUST like FPS since they could not reach an agreement with CCP which would allow them to run the game on their own servers.

Also, it is not a matter of competition with other FPS's for the following reasons:

1. No other game will offer the features of DUST as far as community, corporation control and objectives on the PS3 platform.
2. Most FPS players play more than one game anyways and rarely stick to it since after you max level, top leaderboards and hit all achievements in the game there is no point. Dust does not have this issue.
3. Give FPS players more depth and purpose within the games you offer and they will rise to the occasion.


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