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Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:00:00 - [61]
 

Awesome stuff. Thank you for the replies so far and the future replies... keep 'em coming :)

CCP, If any of you are reading this, I hope you learn something from each and every post. I may not feel as strongly as they do, but I can empathize along with them. I agree on some points raised and although I still stand by my OP, I hope that the devs will focus more on current problems and more transparency.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:06:00 - [62]
 

It's Ironic that you all feel entitled to these changes so much. You pay for this game much like you pay for a magazine. And in the end they have quite a lot in common considering. I understand you feel like writing to the editors about how you detest the new more graphic changes to their work. But how often do you see someone doing what works, stop doing it?

1. CCP wants to make money to stay a float.
2. They are the developer not you, so learn how to do any array of jobs required to develop and apply. If you care so much.
3. Sure some of you have 6 month to eight year old accounts. You are not special because of it. Actually the guy who buys your entire subscription time worth of Aurum, in a month, probably is. And That is perfectly normal for any sane company/developer/game industry.
4. I'm glad they joined the Micro transactions market at this time. They could of done it later and had to try and incorporate it with everything else in a way more sloppy manner. Not to mention every major MMO, free, or otherwise, is doing it. So now I get to play my favorite internet space ship game and others from a good developer for years down the road. All thanks to the guy who used to play SWG in a storm trooper outfit. Who thinks having a monocle/implant will be more immerse.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:25:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 06/08/2011 17:26:22
Originally by: Digital Messiah
They could of done it later and had to try and incorporate it with everything else in a way more sloppy manner.
The funny part is that they did just that: they incorporated it late and sloppily.

Well, sloppily for an MT store at least, but since the purpose of the NeX isn't to make money, that's hardly surprising.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:40:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 06/08/2011 18:06:55
I'm going to give my two cents without looking at the other answers, and I shall presume they will mostly say about the same thing I say.

1. It's not horrible (though it is outrageous) but it is a bunch of nothing that doesn't contribute to much-needed game balance.

2. No prob if they make money, but isn't keeping old players a way to do that? I'm not sure if you know this, but EVE caters to a very specific crowd. Changing the game so as to draw new people isn't going to work very well and it's going to lose the old players. Also, the new ones will get tired of it soon after and quit.

Or maybe they're cheating with us since they know they have no competition with EVE. Maybe they figure as long as they keep EVE different, we'll stay.

3. Nice to see our characters fleshed out (in the flesh), but it's hard on the graphics. Players should definitely be forced to take on the dangers of WiS, but should not be forced to load the graphics of WiS. Also it's a lot of development toward critical game balance that we aren't getting.

4. Is this really question four, or just more of three?

-edit-
Well, would you look at that!

So many great replies here, I can't possibly reply to you all! But OP, perhaps now you understand why we're outraged.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:06:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Nova Kira
1. Is the NeX store truly that horrible?


Well, it's the only functionality of Incarna so far, and it's ludicrously overpriced for average players who aim at playing to get the plex to get the aurums to get the clothes. The fact is that I was enthusiastic about the NEx when it was at Siis, an now I could completely live without Incarna at all. This is NOT the way to treat your customers.

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2. The Leaks.


I never was too worried about them. If CCP aimed to kill EVE, let them have it, it's their jobs what are in danger, not mine.

What shocked me was the fact that CCP's response was completely botched and they showed null skills in dealing with the crisis. And even now they still keep alienating people around with nonsense like the NEx "pricing strategy" or the EVE is Real awfully botched site (I just learned that today; how the hell were approved the pixelated-yet-still-smallish images?).

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3. Is the CQ really that terrible?


It's a non-functional feature that so far doesn't even work well. I understand they want to test the stuff before going on, but the CQ is almost useless, provides nothing that couldn't be achieved via the old interface, and is horribly below standards in performance and graphics. I was utterly appalled when they claimed that Sisi's lighting was "final", provided how 70% of the CQ casts on your character grotesquely disfiguring shadows. And don't even get me started on smaller detail like how my all-dark Khanid is exactly as pale as my all-white Khanid... now we must wait for months to get the other CQs, which likely will have the same or even worst lighting issues, which likely won't be looked upon until two years later. And from what I learned about CCP's corporate policy, that's gonna be interesting as documentation is optional, at least at Reykjavik. Very fun when in two years a green-hired developer haves to look upon CQ lighting, the guy-who-knows is gone and the greenman is told he can expect to be moved to another project in 6 months wether he finished or not his assignment on the "lighting issue".

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4. The Door.


The hangar worked. And as we haven't been told why oh why it was mandatory to remove it, we must suppose it could keep working along with CQ. We can even suppose they wanted to force people to use the CQ (to avoid noobs missing it by never exploring the hangar view or the button leading to the CQ), but, why don't just allow to switch between CQ and hangar? It would make a gazillion times more sense and would have not upset the community.

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:16:00 - [66]
 

1. Don't care. Never cared, but it will end up being Gold ammo...

2. The attitude displayed was unacceptable by most people's opinions. I wouldn't tolerate that from my Cable company, why would I tolerate it from CCP?

3. I was looking forward to walking in stations, not laggin in a box. Only my new computer can run it worth a damn, and even then, the FPS is less than half of being out in space...it's just another badly coded addon, that will be more headaches than it's worth.

4. Could care about spinning ships, but the door is just as laggy as the box....



Lors Dornick
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:37:00 - [67]
 

1. I don't see any issues with NeX (yet). If people want to spend surplus game or RL cash for lols, it's their problem and might even be a good thing. Comparing to using same cash to mess up the market, for the same lols.

However, if they would start to sell any form of items relevant to actual gameplay, I'd start to look for some other game.

2. **** happens in any company with more 2 people involved. A complete non-issue in my book.

3. CQ really is both that horrible, and not to shabby at the same time.

What we currently have is an early tech demo of something they hopefully plan to expand on.

And this in turn leads to several horrible issues.
- It was marketed as some fantastic new feature, which wasn't exactly what was delivered.

- Instead of inviting us to test their latest, while seriously unfinished, shiny toys, it was force fed to us, ignoring the fact that it currently serves no purpose and breaks fundamental parts of the EvE Backstory.

- CCP has a proven track record of introducing new shiny features and then get sidetracked with new shiny toys before they can be arsed to finish the stuff they've started.

4. The Door was a serious mistake for 2 reasons.
Showing your paying customers the door for opting not to partake in something that really should be voluntary testing is not good customer management.

Replacing the earlier hangar view with either an alpha release of a new (shiny but broken) UI or a deprecated version of something we already have isn't a very good release strategy.

Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.06 19:14:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen on 06/08/2011 19:18:01
Dear Nova Kira;

I think u missed the whole point. How long are u playing eve? and what exacly do u do in EVE? The answere's on those questions can differ from person to person and it tells u everything about atitude vs the next things. Someone who runs missions only views it totaly different than someone who's active in 0.0 in big allaince. Put it in perspective from someone who's active. There is just too much stuff that is totaly broken and god knows how many patches ago they intorduced something usefull to people that live in 0.0, pvp and such. Let me summ up some stuff quickly out my head;

-gallente shiptypes usefullness in pvp and roams
-omgpewpew canes that kills most T2 ships and most battleships solo
-overpowerd drams
-sov mechanic's
-moon go "solution"
-supercaps
-wormhole future "more pew pew due wh's" only takes 3 hours to scan one 0.0 to another 0.0 region
-many more broken ships
-anomaly buff & nerf
-Plex loot nerf (yes there is/was stealth nerf)
-Recent jumpbridge nerf

Instead of trying to fix this or do something on it we get shoved down our troath some stuff nobody realy wants. I think people are more upset and shocked about the wasted dev time on incrana. And on top of that, do u realize they have introduced NEX to raise more funds? Do u realize dust is absorbing alot of funds? Basicly u could conclude that eve is not important and they dont give a crap, they keep lying in your face when they talk about how awesome eve is... apparenty its not that awesome for them. Just business.

Yours cinciraly,

/Hemmo Paskiainen


Ps: yes i am upset about the csm and how ccp handled the communication past few months, it supports my conclusions i get form logic thinking

Pss: posting with main cause im agree customer

Psss: no u can not get my stuff i need it to buy plex with or hand out free plexes to corpmates cause aint giving ccp a ****ing dime untill they realize dust will be a failur and their cashcow eve isk milked empty due the horrific market and comminucation strategy their are currently following..... commitment to exellent my ass

Pssss: check for signature to see how awesome the csm works, my black op topic is running for 2 yrs almost, past yr it got voted second after gallente fix for most populair stuff assembly hall people wish to see fixed. They annouced it for winterpatch but my gues is that first they need to fix some horrible imbalaced stuff they never implemented properly in the first place... supers + tech ftw

Hebrind
Posted - 2011.08.06 19:56:00 - [69]
 

Everyone who likes CQ - leave it on, enjoy.

Everyone who doesn't like it - turn it off, and stfu. Live and let live.

Devai Starchild
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:13:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Devai Starchild on 06/08/2011 20:13:59
Originally by: Nova Kira
Hiya.

I'd like to ask a few questions and implore for honest, direct answers to those who find Incarna disappointing. inb4 CCP alt.

1. Is the NeX store truly that horrible? I mean, at the moment it sells overpriced clothing using a PLEX based currency for people who want to play dress up with more choices than the already free recustomization service. Considering that the NeX is completely optional and cosmetic only, why has it sparked an outrage? PLEX is relatively cheap on all Region Markets, and even before the NeX, there has not been a shortage of PLEX in-game for the last few expansions. I personally don't care for the NeX, so I don't use it. The only thing it forces upon me is a button in the stations and an extra tab in the market.


Agreed. I could care less about the NEX store and vanity items. It obviously caters to a market I am not a part of.

Originally by: Nova Kira
2. The Leaks. Is it really that shocking that CCP is attempting to make money? Vanity items have always sold well when offered... when Blizzard opened a store for WoW vanity pets and mounts, they made a killing. CCP has, from the start, allowed players to be closer to the evolution of their game than any other gaming company that I know about. Conversely, CCP isn't a charity, it intends to make a profit. The fact that they're able to do this while also working on something they love is a fantastic situation. So maybe Hillmar got ahead of himself, the best way to make him eat his statement is to ignore the NeX.


The general outrage is just a fear that CCP will start selling balance affecting items. Which is completely justified. If CCP wants to make money, then I could see them selling neural remaps or skill remaps long before I would be ok with balance affecting items, skill points, or faster training speed.

Originally by: Nova Kira
3. Is the CQ really that terrible? I've been excited about Incarna for a long time, and while the initial content was admittedly a bit shallow for the hype it was given, it's still a step in a long-begged for feature. I think that, for what it is, the CQ isn't too shabby and when I do want to use it, I put my graphics settings to bare minimum. Even then, it's still quite beautiful. I'm sure that in time, we'll be able to re-map the character controls and explore numerous other features such as physical emotes.


I like CQ. I think it looks amazing and is much better than station hangar. People who say it looks like crap obviously don't have a clue what they are talking about. CQ looks better than most games on the market right now. I also don't get how people think it looks horrible or laggy. I don't lag during it at all. If people think so then they need to upgrade their hardware.

Originally by: Nova Kira
4. The Door. Yes, I miss the spinning ships as well, but this honestly can't be a game-breaker, can it? Usually when I'm in station, I am on the market, or re-fitting, or doing numerous other tasks, not staring at the door. CCP has stated that they intend to bring back the spinning ships as an option, which is great, but c'mon, a static background shouldn't be a major reason for unsubbing. This game is about interacting with the playerbase, not pouting because things aren't IMMEDIATELY the way you think they should be. Every MMO sees players dealing with various nerfs and buffs, but we adapt and overcome and let the dev's know that something isn't right. Surely you're not letting a door stand in the way of your fun, are you?


I actually doubt they are bringing back station spinning. I would assume they would be putting more effort into optimizing with the hardware to make a wider audience be able to run it. They have put a ton of money into it (from the new characters to the CQ) and I don't see it continuing to be optional in the future.

IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.06 20:21:00 - [71]
 

1. The NEX store is a component of a business philosophy which many Eve players apparently find unscrupulous or downright insulting to paying customers. Personally, I have to agree with them. It's sort of like advertizing inside the game. Its a clear indicator of greed and decadence. Sort of like watching a fat man eating himself to death. So, unless its your personal fetish, YES its a turnoff.

2. See above mentioned fat man reference.

3. The Captain's Quarters element of the expansion was dismal in terms of the proportionality of content presented. Literally, they gave us a room to walk around in, with some flashy features. For the time and money rumored to have been put into this, it seems awfully weak sauce. This is why a lot of people are upset. The CQ looks more a testing ground for other games, not for Eve. Why? Well, just look at. It looks like a virtual testing room, not a captain's quarters. While some might say "Hey, its ok to test stuff for other stuff on our stuff", it's just another reminder that the fat man doesn't even care to switch out his buffet plates before he gets back in line for more.

4. The door is many peoples' humourous way of coping with their dissapointment. After all, we're going to be staring at it for years before we can actually walk through it. Really, why introduce any of this **** before it was ready to be used? Captain's Quarters are more isolating than ship spinning TBH.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.06 21:00:00 - [72]
 

1)Every man-hour that goes into the nex store is a man-hour spent not actually improving the game. The differences are marginal at best, and CCP actually has the balls to charge for it, while completely ignoring problems that the game has had for YEARS *coughblasterscough*

2)There's a difference between trying to make money and being greedy. CCP already makes plenty of rl iskies off of its member base, especially given how common multiple accounts are. The fact that the extra cash CCP pulls in seems to be going towards developing not one but TWO separate games (that are not eve) is just insulting. Get eve right, THEN focus on making new games. Hell, they could have redone damn near every ship model in the game with the amount of work that would have been required to make CQ, or rather the pre-alpha of world of darkness CQ that we have now.

3)See point 1, they waste developer time on something not too many people care about, while ignoring things that many complain about, that could have been easily fixed had they devoted the resources to it. It's not so much that CQ itself is that bad as it is that there's so much that they ignored in order to actually MAKE cq. It's like having your boss tell you you can't have a raise because somebody thought it was a good idea to buy a solid gold batman statue to put in front of the building. You may not actively HATE the gold batman, but the fact that his existence is the reason your paycheque's not getting any bigger gives you a good reason to be ****ed off that he's there.

4)The door is more of a mascot of sorts for the horrible changes incarna introduced. Step back and look at it for a second, it's an expansion that was unwanted by most, sucked up an absurd amount of developer time while other more pressing issues got ignored, it's poorly implemented, buggy (they spent HOW long redoing the turrets but didn't make sure they all went in the right place, not to mention that my fingers clip into my head every time I scratch the back of my neck in station), CCP actually went out and CHARGED for it (you have to pay aurum if you want access to a large part of this expansion), the interface in CQ is less user friendly than the old one (and that is hilarious, given that eve is infamous for their terribad UI) and to top it all off, if you either don't like it or can't run it, CCP LITERALLY shows you the door. I'd say that's a good enough reason to get ****ed.
Originally by: Tippia

Well, sloppily for an MT store at least, but since the purpose of the NeX isn't to make money, that's hardly surprising.
Tippia, I can actually HEAR you waiting for someone to "correct" that statement.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.06 22:48:00 - [73]
 

Hi,

1. NoX store represents what going to come. P2W of some form. It will start slowly as vanity (which could be done via regular market without all that store stuff if P2W not ment to be in game) and slowly there will be ship skins and other things until ultimately it will be selling things with attributes and bonuses. This store was separated from regular markets for a reason. If it would be just vanity for ISK it would be done via regular channels. This new currency neither needed nor asked. And it was pushed through our throats without ever asking us if we need that. We don't, thanks for asking. In light of how much attention was given to create that MT store and push it through it raises alarms of galactic magnitude. This game is a subscription based. MT store or even worse P2W will kill the game in long run and that is why I am so worried about it. You can't sit on both chairs at the same time. It's inconvenient for starters.
That attempt was a total failure and will be dragging CCP down as long as it is in game. Removal of it will cool things down a lot. Just dont forget to take your aurum currency down with it.

2. Most insulting was a passage about CCP not listening to what players say. Only to what players do. That was over the edge and showed what CCP really thinks about its playerbase. Well, players quit. Happy?
CCP meant to make money. Not to rob money. What CCP attempt to do by changing core gameplay with MT shop is something Blizzard never did and will never do with its already on the market games. The entire attempt to do it and especially how it was done is outstandingly offensive. Part one gives more details that connected to part two.

3. CQ looks great. I like it's concept and I see it as a sneak peak of what will come. It's a bit undertested and fry out video cards. Have a heavy fps impact and loading time increased a lot. It would be worth having on if CQ would change from station to station. I think its most probably a sneak peak. I took a look, was impressed and turned it off until further development of the feature ready. My congratulations to art department. Great concept and great job. Artists who created it have nothing to do with testers who approved the frying part to be released.

4. The Door. Yep it gives an impression "Dont like what we did with that NoX MT thing, dont like our P2W in future then stfu and get out". That's the impression the door leave. Many followed that impression and opted out.

I love this game very much and honestly planned to play it for years. My subscription set for 6 month. I have to remember to either reset it to one month or cancel. Not really decided yet. Have hope that CCP do something that i will belive that no P2W or MT will be installed in game. For now I'm sitting on the fence watching what CCP does and consider other games to play that already on the market or will be released by the time my subscription runs out if I decide not to continue it. But MT shop and especially any element of P2W (that term includes ship skins) is a game killer for me.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.07 02:38:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 07/08/2011 02:38:05
Didn't read the whole thread, just gonna answer these off the top of my head.
Originally by: Nova Kira
Hiya.

I'd like to ask a few questions and implore for honest, direct answers to those who find Incarna disappointing. inb4 CCP alt.

1. Is the NeX store truly that horrible?

It has been stupidly implemented, with extremely overpriced items and poor advertising. Having said that, it holds no interest for me in the slightest. I didn't join Eve because of it's ground breaking graphics. (IMHO: Graphics < Game Play). Secondly (and more importantly) I don't think "fearless" is just a conversation rag in their office. There were plenty of direct, declarative statements of what CCP intended to do. So I am a bit concerned that P2W is not far behind. At which point, I'm gone.

Originally by: Nova Kira
2. The Leaks. Is it really that shocking that CCP is attempting to make money?
Well - "the first response to innovation is resistance"? You've got to be kidding me! My first response was "how innovative is it to follow every Evony?Laughing

Originally by: Nova Kira
3. Is the CQ really that terrible?

Yes - Again, poorly implemented, removed functionality (so it takes two extra clicks to do things now is *not* a good defence). WHY make people do more **** to get what they need?
And *why* make it mandatory? I would have been *far* more likely to utilize it, had it been optional. For realio!

Originally by: Nova Kira
4. The Door.
The door to me says "HEY! Don't like what we did? "Here's the door..." It feels like CCP are saying "Screw you, we *don't* need you."

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.08.07 04:12:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Nova Kira

1. Is the NeX store truly that horrible? I mean, at the moment it sells overpriced clothing using a PLEX based currency for people who want to play dress up with more choices than the already free recustomization service. Considering that the NeX is completely optional and cosmetic only, why has it sparked an outrage? <snipp>

nah, what i have a bit of a problem with is that alot of resources are put into a 'feature' which doesnt enhance the actual eve gameplay, eve is about flying spaceships, not about looking at the ass of some avatar, well at least to me. I know that alot of people wont agree with me, but i'd actually prefer if ccp put actual gameplay items in it (however they shouldnt be better than other items, maybe just filling different roles)

Originally by: Nova Kira

2. The Leaks. Is it really that shocking that CCP is attempting to make money? Vanity items have always sold well when offered... <snipp>

no i actually think that a company like ccp needs to evaluate their options, and they need to talk about it internally. ofcourse i can understand that other players want to be in the loop and want to know whats going on, but in my understanding CCP needs to find out what they want todo *before* they talk about stuff and for me its a good sign that this is happening.
however, its a horrible sign that some CCP employee found the need to leak this, i mean after all it seems that he/she is so unhappy with his/her job that he/she doesnt care about losing it.
also the way that the voices of the community acted about this seems to be quite horrible, speaking of en24 at the frontline, who made a large efford to pour more oil into the fire, just so they get more hits.
honestly, the eve related (wannabe) media made this alot worse than it should have been.
Originally by: Nova Kira

3. Is the CQ really that terrible? I've been excited about Incarna for a long time, and while the initial content was admittedly a bit shallow for the hype it was given, it's still a step in a long-begged for feature. I think that, for what it is, the CQ isn't too shabby and when I do want to use it, I put my graphics settings to bare minimum. Even then, it's still quite beautiful. I'm sure that in time, we'll be able to re-map the character controls and explore numerous other features such as physical emotes.

yes it is terrible, it show that alot of amount of work was put in a feature that barely adds anything to the actual gameplay - and that said, even with me having incarna turned off i have heat problems with my machine ever since it game (i didn't have trouble running up to three clients in parallel before, but now even one client has a hard impact on the temperature management of my machine)

Originally by: Nova Kira

4. The Door.

when i read first about others complaining about this in chat i was like 'what door?' and no one got that i simply didnt even recognize it - to me it never mattered what background graphic is shown, so i didnt pay attention. i believe most of the whine about 'the door' is caused by people who are unhappy with incarna/cq itself.

regards,
PP

Lord XSiV
Amarr
Kodar Innovations
Posted - 2011.08.07 04:13:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Lord XSiV on 07/08/2011 04:14:17
Well after having come back for the free 5 days, I can see why the playerbase is upset.

1. Who cares about the nex store as it is completely optional and designed for emo players who have no life outside of their house. Just like everything else ccp does it is disappointing and won't reach realization until they start offering items that give in game advantages. Oh and that will be happening for sure; the ruse of flying over some CSM members for yet another free vacation trip was just another example of how crass ccp is.

2. The leaks just show that some of the ccp employees do care. Most of those who had any useful skills already left.

3. Yes it is that terrible. 4 years of development for something a local community college graphics program class could construct as a term project is somewhat embarassing to say the least.

4. Well yes it can be since a) you have reduced functionality from what you had before the so called 'update' and b) the game is about spaceships.


Temarn
Posted - 2011.08.07 10:59:00 - [77]
 

What really upsets me about the NeX Store, is that ccp wants to get payed twice.
From my monthly fee (or from someone else if you use plex, doesn't change a thing) they developed the store, the items etc and then I have to pay for them again (or someone else has to pay for the plex, doesn't matter here, ccp got the money twice.)
If the NeX items would only cost isk, then it would be fine. (They would have to be destructable of course.)

There is a differnce between a company just making money and greed is good.
Greed is good means getting as much money as possible from your customer, while giving the customer as little as possible.
Sooner or later the customer will be fed up with this, because it is no longer a good trade for him.
The leaks showed that ccp is short sighted, they don't see that by alienating their customers, they will loose them sooner or later.
It's not just 1 issue that makes them leave, it's all of them and the leaks showing that ccp doesn't care about it, that makes people leave.

CQ was just released because they wanted the shop out, thats why it's not optional.
It's not logical to leave the pod everytime you dock, it's a waste of time and energy while loading ammo, checking the market or waiting for a fleet.
It doesn't make sense to release cq now, except to sell items in the shop.

CQ might be good when it's finished, but it's far from finished now and should not be forced on everyone.

The door is just showing ccps attitude to their customers. It would have been very easy to just leave the old hangar system, it worked fine.





Johnny May
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:39:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Temarn

If the NeX items would only cost isk, then it would be fine. (They would have to be destructable of course.)


Aurum can only be created from PLEX,
PLEX are an ingame item that has a
regular ISK market value.

Even if you are one of the lesser fortunate persons who sells Plexes,
Aurum have a Plex, therefor an ISK value. you cannot buy Aurum with money directly in any way.

Cybele Lanier
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:15:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Nova Kira

3. Is the CQ really that terrible? I've been excited about Incarna for a long time, and while the initial content was admittedly a bit shallow for the hype it was given, it's still a step in a long-begged for feature. I think that, for what it is, the CQ isn't too shabby and when I do want to use it, I put my graphics settings to bare minimum. Even then, it's still quite beautiful. I'm sure that in time, we'll be able to re-map the character controls and explore numerous other features such as physical emotes.

4. The Door. Yes, I miss the spinning ships as well, but this honestly can't be a game-breaker, can it? Usually when I'm in station, I am on the market, or re-fitting, or doing numerous other tasks, not staring at the door. CCP has stated that they intend to bring back the spinning ships as an option, which is great, but c'mon, a static background shouldn't be a major reason for unsubbing. This game is about interacting with the playerbase, not pouting because things aren't IMMEDIATELY the way you think they should be. Every MMO sees players dealing with various nerfs and buffs, but we adapt and overcome and let the dev's know that something isn't right. Surely you're not letting a door stand in the way of your fun, are you?


1: More completely uninteresting than horrible. I might have got a couple of bits & pieces out there, but it costs HOW much? And I can only pay with a PLEX? The market isn't player controlled? And wait, wait, nobody else can see it because I can't interact outside CQ?

2: The leaks weren't terrible in themselves but (as seems to be par for the course since the mothership fiasco), the PR around them was absolutely dreadful. I was amazed at how hard it apparently was for somebody to just say "No non-vanity items now or ever.". That's it. That's all that needed to be said to make the whole thing go away, and yet you had to fly people out to Iceland?

3: It was good for the first two days. Then it got annoying. Sometimes I just want to fly in, dump ore and undock. Right now, it's the same as before, only a little more awkward, a little more pretty and a good bit slower. It's certainly nowhere near what was promised, and nowhere near what most expansions have offered.

Temarn
Posted - 2011.08.07 18:02:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Johnny May
Originally by: Temarn

If the NeX items would only cost isk, then it would be fine. (They would have to be destructable of course.)


Aurum can only be created from PLEX,
PLEX are an ingame item that has a
regular ISK market value.

Even if you are one of the lesser fortunate persons who sells Plexes,
Aurum have a Plex, therefor an ISK value. you cannot buy Aurum with money directly in any way.


1 gtc = 2 plex, 2 plex = 7000 aurum that is fixed (unless ccp changes the exchange rate)
The isk worth of 1 plex is created in the market, but the only way to create a plex is with real money, therefore getting aurum is only possible with real money.

Aurum is ONLY created from plex, that is the key.
Someone MUST have bought a gtc and converted it to plex. That means ccp got the money, they don't care if it's from you or from someone you bought a plex from.

You can trade the plex arround in eve all you want, it doesn't change that. The isk worth of a plex is meaningless.

1 plex=30 days of gametime OR 3500 aurum

If you convert it into gametime, it's gone but you got 30 days gt.
If you convert it into aurum, it's gone and you get aurum
But ccp still got the money from the plex and you still need to get gametime for your account.
The only thing plex changes, is who is paying ccp real money.
Aurum is a plex sink, so more people buy gtc and convert them into plex, earning ccp more money.
If you could buy nex items from isk, no plex would be necessary because you can get isk in other ways. Then ccp would only get the monthly fee from your account. (Or from someone else, if you use a plex.)

So in fact, nex items are even more expensive than obvious, because you got to pay for the items AND for your account.
Both has to be done with real money, either by yourself or by someone else. For ccp it doesn't matter, they get the same amount of money either way.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.08.07 18:20:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Nova Kira
Hiya.

I'd like to ask a few questions and implore for honest, direct answers to those who find Incarna disappointing. inb4 CCP alt.

1. Is the NeX store truly that horrible? I mean, at the moment it sells overpriced clothing using a PLEX based currency for people who want to play dress up with more choices than the already free recustomization service. Considering that the NeX is completely optional and cosmetic only, why has it sparked an outrage? PLEX is relatively cheap on all Region Markets, and even before the NeX, there has not been a shortage of PLEX in-game for the last few expansions. I personally don't care for the NeX, so I don't use it. The only thing it forces upon me is a button in the stations and an extra tab in the market.

2. The Leaks. Is it really that shocking that CCP is attempting to make money? Vanity items have always sold well when offered... when Blizzard opened a store for WoW vanity pets and mounts, they made a killing. CCP has, from the start, allowed players to be closer to the evolution of their game than any other gaming company that I know about. Conversely, CCP isn't a charity, it intends to make a profit. The fact that they're able to do this while also working on something they love is a fantastic situation. So maybe Hillmar got ahead of himself, the best way to make him eat his statement is to ignore the NeX.

3. Is the CQ really that terrible? I've been excited about Incarna for a long time, and while the initial content was admittedly a bit shallow for the hype it was given, it's still a step in a long-begged for feature. I think that, for what it is, the CQ isn't too shabby and when I do want to use it, I put my graphics settings to bare minimum. Even then, it's still quite beautiful. I'm sure that in time, we'll be able to re-map the character controls and explore numerous other features such as physical emotes.

4. The Door. Yes, I miss the spinning ships as well, but this honestly can't be a game-breaker, can it? Usually when I'm in station, I am on the market, or re-fitting, or doing numerous other tasks, not staring at the door. CCP has stated that they intend to bring back the spinning ships as an option, which is great, but c'mon, a static background shouldn't be a major reason for unsubbing. This game is about interacting with the playerbase, not pouting because things aren't IMMEDIATELY the way you think they should be. Every MMO sees players dealing with various nerfs and buffs, but we adapt and overcome and let the dev's know that something isn't right. Surely you're not letting a door stand in the way of your fun, are you?


1) Tempest in a teapot.

2) The leaker should be summarily fired.

3) CQ is a good indication of how fine things will be as the tech is implemented over the next little while.

4) No opinion on the door, really. I leave that to all the morons who pay for a space game where they never undock or open a window while in the station. Just stare at a door and work themselves into a lather. Most of the people who post on the forum, apparently fit in this category. Sad. So very sad.

Mr Epeen Cool

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.07 19:08:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Kilrayn
I've see this in almost every mmo I've ever played. Old players not happy with new expansion. You'll always see someone saying, 'hey, you remember when you could (insert removed mechanic here). those were the days....' No, I'm not calling every veteran who doesn't like a change a rose-tinted player, but you will see it in most games.

I've been playing a year, seen a x-pac or two, and for the most part, I like the changes. CQ's a bit clunky atm, I still find myself just using shortcuts to do everything, but it is nice finally seeing your character in something other than a still picture. Got no problem with the nex as long as it remains vanity items and such.

Overall I love the game. Hope to see it around for a while.
If you have only been playing for a year, then you haven't seen some the truly great expansions that CCP has published. This past year, CCP has published mediocre content, at best.

What did we get with the recent Walking in Station (WiS) "expansion?" A misanthropic rec room with no means for interacting with other avatars and truly terrible in-game performance for anybody w/o very good hardware -- completely breaking from the norm and expectation of EVE being gentle on slightly older or not-completely-tricked-out hardware.

ka'Sin
Posted - 2011.08.07 19:11:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: ka''Sin on 07/08/2011 19:12:48
from the CCPGames - website: "We are CCP. We care more, we work harder."

I think the door-image is straight boring.
I dont see the need for a new currency AURUM.
I have 5fps in CQ on my iMac playing ships in space fluently.

Whats really sad is that this expansion seems to have no imagination tied to it

I'm not angry about it but i will silently closing my wallet...


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