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MrAmarrKillerDude
Posted - 2011.08.05 08:23:00 - [1]
 

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10311648

How can a frigates defeat a battlecruiser and cruiser gang like that? Honestly I'm stumped; in my Rifter I can't even take out a destroyer sometimes.

TaluxA
Posted - 2011.08.05 08:31:00 - [2]
 

It looks like an organised frigate roam killed a variety bucket home defense fleet there.

A lot of home defense fleets are a little bit rubbish so they often lose to organised gangs or a few skilled players.

MrAmarrKillerDude
Posted - 2011.08.05 08:32:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: TaluxA
It looks like an organised frigate roam killed a variety bucket home defense fleet there.

A lot of home defense fleets are a little bit rubbish so they often lose to organised gangs or a few skilled players.


It would just seem that the drones alone from the big ships would clear the frigs. And the kills all are around the same time so it's not like it was 1 by 1. Question

TaluxA
Posted - 2011.08.05 09:09:00 - [4]
 

Most of the test frigates would have been popped almost instantly. The frigate gang has four wolfs, two retributions and a comet, which is about 1500dps just from those. So the stuff like the munins would have died in about 15 seconds if everything was firing on it at once.

Out of the stuff the home defense gang has, only the cane, rupture and the two munins are any real threat. So you can sorta see why it was so one-sided.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.05 10:13:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 05/08/2011 10:14:12
I too was slightly confused, then I noticed "Test alliance ple..."

I'd read enough to know how something like that can happen Rolling Eyes

EDIT: FYI, Destroyers murder. MURDERRRR frigates. It's what they do. Anything larger, can actually be easier.

Pablo Amadeus Zekairra
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.05 13:47:00 - [6]
 

those are some killer frigates.

Captain Sage
Hole Spectors
E.Y
Posted - 2011.08.05 14:02:00 - [7]
 

I have very nearly killed a ratting Geddon in a Taranis before. The only thing that stopped me was that I was convinced he was bait, I decided to go for him anyway.

I got him into Hull but I hadn't killed his drones because I was rushing - thinking his back up was on its way - it turns out there was no back up, his drones were chipping away at me and I didnt really have time to kill them before they killed me so I ran. I left him with 3/4 hull and kicking myself that I didn't take care of his drones first (like I usually would). We had a good laugh about it afterwards in local, he said he **** himself that he was about to loose his BS to a frig :)

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2011.08.05 14:04:00 - [8]
 

Also, a good frig gang will patiently wait for hostile pilots to make a mistake so they can be isolated from their gang and popped quickly and out of range of their buddies. Which is more likely to happen in a "bring what you got" ad-hoc home defense fleet.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.05 14:22:00 - [9]
 

I recognise some of the names (bigbigpure1, T'Elk, etc) from their time in GW.

They're not very experienced at PvP but they are enthusiastic - so yeah I can see this happening all too easily. As long as they learn from it there's no problem unless you're one of these people who polishes their "efficiency" Rolling Eyes

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.05 15:26:00 - [10]
 

Contrary to popular belief, bigger does not indeed equal better.

Calfis
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.08.05 17:23:00 - [11]
 

Its cuz Securitas is boss like that. Wink

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.05 18:47:00 - [12]
 

Test Alliance Please Ignore is terrible at this game. There is nothing new to see here, move along.

Securitas Protector
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.05 18:59:00 - [13]
 

Confirming that was an awesome fight. For those of you who care, the video can be found between 1:44 and 1:50 at this link.

http://www.justin.tv/ekcsso/b/291840234

Strecs Moliko
Posted - 2011.08.05 19:59:00 - [14]
 

Wow, Test got worked.

icecooljon
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.08.05 20:30:00 - [15]
 

Nice video, was fun to watch. But seriously you gotta tell them Cruor pilot to quiet down whilst on comms, he was asking for more reps the entire time he was taking damage.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.08.05 20:31:00 - [16]
 

People under estimate frig wolf packs and even T1 cruisers. With a competent fleet comp both can be deadly and if you think otherwise go welp a gang to it, but some of us know better. Wink

The BC's & munins were really only a threat if at range being they were arti fit, once the frigs were on them it was game over. The rest were just clean up work.

Concordiat guys did a good job and numbers were possibly on the verge of a loss, but then again it was Test and they are pretty much like any other null bear alliance. Meaning they are good at carebearing & blobing but they don't understand game mechanics of small gang pvp.

Rer Eirikr
Gallente
Clearly Compensating
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.05 21:51:00 - [17]
 

Hotdamn was that roam fun, having it being livestreamed to the very people we were fighting just made it all the more awesome. Good fights were had, so I thank TEST for that.

Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
The Eleusinian Mystery Cult
Posted - 2011.08.05 22:31:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 05/08/2011 10:14:12
I too was slightly confused, then I noticed "Test alliance ple..."


T' Elk
Minmatar
Clearly Compensating
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.05 22:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Othran
I recognise some of the names (bigbigpure1, T'Elk, etc) from their time in GW.

They're not very experienced at PvP but they are enthusiastic - so yeah I can see this happening all too easily. As long as they learn from it there's no problem unless you're one of these people who polishes their "efficiency" Rolling Eyes


u so awsme at pvp sir i do anything for some tippers!

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.05 23:14:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 05/08/2011 23:17:11

:)
One notes the oneiros providing logi support to the frigs (which are all armor tanked) while the test gang had no logi. Personally I prefer guardians but that's a very solid gang structure. Logi, fast movers with high dmg, able to get in under the guns of the cruisers and mitigate most dmg while the logi takes care of the rest. Logi is fast enough (if fit properly) to avoid most dps of the enemy fleet and as long as he waited to agress til the fight was certain he can always jump out if things got hot for them.

No real surprises in that fight. Honestly I'm just surprised the other 3 ships didn't die as well.

Aubrey Maturin
Parabellum Diligentia
Posted - 2011.08.06 04:56:00 - [21]
 

Yeah, I dont know why they let anyone get away either.

Niamo Higate
The Concordiat
Posted - 2011.08.06 06:44:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Niamo Higate on 06/08/2011 06:49:09
Concordiat es #1 Surprised

HueHueHueHueHueHueHueHueHueHue

edit: forgot to add the maniacal laughing.

Ammzi
Posted - 2011.08.07 04:18:00 - [23]
 

Hrm .... having a laser on the oneiros to get on killmails. Selfish logi!

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.07 06:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ammzi
Hrm .... having a laser on the oneiros to get on killmails. Selfish logi!


thats actually pretty normal for an oneiros

Ammzi
Posted - 2011.08.07 13:21:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Ammzi
Hrm .... having a laser on the oneiros to get on killmails. Selfish logi!


thats actually pretty normal for an oneiros


*shrugs* still...
He did a very good job though, I'd like to see the whole fit.

Trax Rabbit
Posted - 2011.08.08 00:09:00 - [26]
 

They also had a logi ship in their frigate roam .. I watched that fleet on the live stream it was awesome.

Luck is when timing and oppurtunity favor the prepared mind

Sister Katie
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:25:00 - [27]
 

Dude its test.

12 manbrawl Ormand
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:31:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: 12 manbrawl Ormand on 08/08/2011 10:39:45
Edited by: 12 manbrawl Ormand on 08/08/2011 10:32:41

Ok, heres how it works, one frigate alone (good fits, also depending on the ship) do quite some dps, I've seen navy comets do 200dps alone, now take that 200dps x 15 and you have 3000dps, and a vindicator (one of the highest dps sub-capital ships in the game) does around 2000, its megathron counterpart usualy tops at 1200-1400, so when all of those 15frigates concentrate fire on one ship, it will die quickly. My triple rep hyperion has a tank of 1000dps on my explosive resist so 15 frigs would pop me pretty quickly.

Large or Medium guns trying to shoot the frigates are ineffectual because of the frigates low signature radius and speed and the frigates small guns easily dispatch drones, all of this allows 15 frigs to beat battlecruiser/cruiser gangs effectivly. Bigger isn't better, for the most part bigger ships can just mean a bigger target, this doesn't mean frigs are the badass's of the game nor that battlecruisers and battleships are horrible ships, it just shows how working together prevails, and tactics are better than skillpoints and ships.

I kill battleships with my thorax quite often, I have a friend who kills battlecruisers and even some battleships with his solo rifter in high sec can baiting. Bigger isn't better.

Cleo Petra
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.18 09:44:00 - [29]
 

I missed this :(

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.18 13:38:00 - [30]
 

It's this kinda stuff that makes EVE Online awesome YARRRR!!


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