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Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Habaticus on 03/08/2011 20:08:46
What am I missing on making Ice Mining a monopoly of Nullsec. It seems that it would make the few in Nullsec richer, make having a POS in Hi or Lo sec more expensive. Admititedly I'm looking at it from a Hisec industrialist point of view so clue me in on CCP's reasons for pulling the Ice. The small pecentage of 0.0 people are getting a lot of love lately; is that supposed to draw people there or just keep people that are there happier?

Kevric
Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:34:00 - [2]
 

What are you talking about?

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:38:00 - [3]
 

Where did you hear they were removing hisec ice?

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:39:00 - [4]
 

its really simple.. CCP hating having 1000's of poses floating around high-sec.

I believe it is a source of lag but I could be wrong here.

Also the CSM is comprised of null sec players so they would love to have even more resources in null :)

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Kevric
What are you talking about?


Oops sorry did the ass-u-me thing. CCP plans on moving all the Ice mining to Nullsec. Has been mentioned in a couple of blogs, and CCP Soundwve stated it at the EVE Las Vegas 2.0 convention.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:44:00 - [6]
 

In my days we din't have no ice mining thingies. We went out with a hammer and chisel and mined ice by hand! And WE LIKED IT!



Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:47:00 - [7]
 

Meh, won't surprise me if they do, in yet another depressingly misguided attempt to make more people move to 0.0.

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:49:00 - [8]
 

These people have repeatedly said they see the shortcoming of the present state of affairs is a lack of warfare. Their logic is to provoke warfare. Move ice to null sec, only POSs in null sec are viable. THEN you get the "attack the POS" portion of the show. Meaning: The purpose of a POS is as an elaborate target to shift all the focus to warfare.

Even the sovereignty mechanics make systems no more than an elaborate game of capture the flag. Since that hasn't quite worked out as planned - continual mayhem on a massive scale, don't be surprised to see them trying to engineer their image of New Eden in other ways...like move the ice.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:49:00 - [9]
 

Do highsec ice belts ever actually refresh quantities in the ice blocks ?
I honestly have no idea, but there was a rumour going around a while ago that they do not.
IF that is true (is it? can somebody confirm or deny?), they will eventually run out in a few years of ice mining, no ?

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Do highsec ice belts ever actually refresh quantities in the ice blocks ?
I honestly have no idea, but there was a rumour going around a while ago that they do not.
IF that is true (is it? can somebody confirm or deny?), they will eventually run out in a few years of ice mining, no ?


Good question - I've never thought to check. Each rock has several tens of thousands of ice and there are scores of rocks. I mine 400 at a time (takes between six and seven hours) and would be hard pressed to find a specific rock to see if it is ever refreshed.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:15:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 03/08/2011 20:15:00
Originally by: Akita T
Do highsec ice belts ever actually refresh quantities in the ice blocks ?
I honestly have no idea, but there was a rumour going around a while ago that they do not.
IF that is true (is it? can somebody confirm or deny?), they will eventually run out in a few years of ice mining, no ?


I remember reading a post on these forums a while ago about someone organizing a humongus ice mining op and actually clearing one ice rock. It respawned after the next downtime. Perhaps you can find the post through eve-search.

Melchiades Seti
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:20:00 - [12]
 

This would be a very bad idea. I have maxed out my skills in ice mining and refining, and I have no desire to go to 0.0. Wasn't it recently discovered some of them were actually being assisted by devs or were devs themselves? This is just one more thing where more established people will have an advantage over newer players. Isn't every inch of 0.0 controlled by established players? It also prevents newer groups from establishing their niche. They have enough there they can monopolize. It is bad enough moons are unharvestable in WH's and there is no ice there as well. From teh people I've known, WH's were a stepping stone to 0.0 for many people.

Zahira Wrath
Amarr
Dominion Strategic
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:33:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Habaticus

Oops sorry did the ass-u-me thing. CCP plans on moving all the Ice mining to Nullsec. Has been mentioned in a couple of blogs, and CCP Soundwve stated it at the EVE Las Vegas 2.0 convention.


Do you have any actual sources or quote's for this information?

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:44:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Habaticus on 03/08/2011 20:48:24
Originally by: Zahira Wrath
Originally by: Habaticus

Oops sorry did the ass-u-me thing. CCP plans on moving all the Ice mining to Nullsec. Has been mentioned in a couple of blogs, and CCP Soundwve stated it at the EVE Las Vegas 2.0 convention.


Do you have any actual sources or quote's for this information?



Don't remember percisly - I jump around and read this and that blog and thread, but it's in a couple of blogs and a few EVE related threads. If your a premium member of EVE Radio you can go to the rewind section and listen to CCP Soundwave's interview at EVE 2.0 Las Vegas, where it is brought up. It's between the presentation of Jump Frieghters and CCP Screegs presentation on security dtd 31 Jul 11

Captain Megadeath
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:58:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 03/08/2011 20:59:25
Originally by: Habaticus
Edited by: Habaticus on 03/08/2011 20:48:24
Originally by: Zahira Wrath
Originally by: Habaticus

Oops sorry did the ass-u-me thing. CCP plans on moving all the Ice mining to Nullsec. Has been mentioned in a couple of blogs, and CCP Soundwve stated it at the EVE Las Vegas 2.0 convention.


Do you have any actual sources or quote's for this information?



Don't remember percisly - I jump around and read this and that blog and thread, but it's in a couple of blogs and a few EVE related threads. If your a premium member of EVE Radio you can go to the rewind section and listen to CCP Soundwave's interview at EVE 2.0 Las Vegas, where it is brought up. It's between the presentation of Jump Frieghters and CCP Screegs presentation on security dtd 31 Jul 11


Soundwaves presentation transcript EvENews24

Over at EvENews24 they don't mention that Soundwave spoke about ice mining what-so-ever (in-fact he only mentions mining once but that was a description about an op) and if he were to say something as silly like moving Ice to Null for the Botter alliances to monopolise then EN24 would be all over it like a rash to enrage more peeps against CCCP. If they moved Ice to null it would be another nail in the coffin of EvE like monoclegate, “Fearless” and $1000 pants.

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:58:00 - [16]
 

I've finished off entire ice blocks before. Ice blocks regen at 10% of whatever their natural base amount is every downtime. It took 3 days for it to reappear, and had 30% of its ice in it. But yes, the rumors about moving ice to nullsec only are true. CCP has talked about it in many interviews and stuff lately, I don't know if they actually plan to follow through with it though

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:00:00 - [17]
 

CCP said they were removing high sec ice belts back in 2007.

Hasn't happend, and wont happen. Doing so would cause a large market collapse.

Maiia Arlenne
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:08:00 - [18]
 

If you gradually take everything away from high sec and move it to 0.0, why at that point even bother to have a high sec?

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:12:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Habaticus on 03/08/2011 21:16:00
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Edited by: Captain Megadeath on 03/08/2011 20:59:25
Originally by: Habaticus
Edited by: Habaticus on 03/08/2011 20:48:24
Originally by: Zahira Wrath
Originally by: Habaticus

Oops sorry did the ass-u-me thing. CCP plans on moving all the Ice mining to Nullsec. Has been mentioned in a couple of blogs, and CCP Soundwve stated it at the EVE Las Vegas 2.0 convention.


Do you have any actual sources or quote's for this information?



Don't remember percisly - I jump around and read this and that blog and thread, but it's in a couple of blogs and a few EVE related threads. If your a premium member of EVE Radio you can go to the rewind section and listen to CCP Soundwave's interview at EVE 2.0 Las Vegas, where it is brought up. It's between the presentation of Jump Frieghters and CCP Screegs presentation on security dtd 31 Jul 11


Soundwaves presentation transcript EvENews24

Over at EvENews24 they don't mention that Soundwave spoke about ice mining what-so-ever (in-fact he only mentions mining once but that was a description about an op) and if he were to say something as silly like moving Ice to Null for the Botter alliances to monopolise then EN24 would be all over it like a rash to enrage more peeps against CCCP. If they moved Ice to null it would be another nail in the coffin of EvE like monoclegate, “Fearless” and $1000 pants.


Wasn't in his presentation the day before (It was the best presentation of the conference by the way IMHO) but the interview the next day on EVE Radio I referenced. He called it the reallocating of Resources - which suggests that Ice might not be the only thing.

Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:31:00 - [20]
 

Pubbies will believe anything...

Joan Avon
Amarr
We See Dead People
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.04 03:56:00 - [21]
 

removing Ice from high sec has been mentioned and perhaps test ballooned several times in the last couple months in different public arenas by CCP.

The interesting thing and the point of most speculation is if Low sec would have ice still. I've not heard them mention moving it only to null sec just them bantering about removing it from high sec.

Perhaps they should remove it from both high sec and Null sec and have it spread through out low sec only. that could liven things up in low sec at least

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:13:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Valentina Valentia on 04/08/2011 04:13:40
...EVERYTHING should be in NULL SEC that is of value, and then only in spaces that Alliances already hold, then they should be buffed with lower tax rates, and Empire status... meaning they can claim it all in perpituity under some inscurtible legalese and then lock the whole game population into a perpetual renter/wage slave status where they are forced to work for some mega-alliance, and have no say or benefits in the decision making, then once that is done, EVE will be perfect as no one will stay in Empire [da'hood/da'Ghetto] as it will fall into ruin from a lack services and massive financial debt, and the ISK shall become worthless digital currency where the true wealth shall be in Null Sec resources that are fully owned and distrubuted by some 1-4% of EVE's population, then the rest shall live in virtual (hehe) poverty only one paycheck away from un-sub...

Tis a dream some seem to have!


Enna Shendara
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:13:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Enna Shendara on 04/08/2011 04:14:52
Edited by: Enna Shendara on 04/08/2011 04:13:41
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
In my days we din't have no ice mining thingies. We went out with a hammer and chisel and mined ice by hand! And WE LIKED IT!




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Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:17:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 04/08/2011 04:30:14


ICE is fine, no change needed.
THe problem with Ice in high-sec is botters if anything, well comet mining would have fixed that issue but PvP'r go insane whenever anyone talks about industrial expansions.

If CCP wants to force or push people to low-sec the 0.0 the problem is the design of the universe.
High-sec all in the center then low-sec then 0.0

The factions should have been broken up with Highsec - lowsec - 0.0 - lowsec - Highsec between each of the 4 major factions.

The problem with breaking them up is how it effects the economy.
I doubt EVE would have survived it when it first came out or it would have leaned heavily one one faction.
I believe now it could work but there is no way to do it without making a complete mess of things.
And making more high-sec and low-sec out beyond 0.0 probably wouldn't do a lot as people are already dug in but it might .

Even adding lowsec between the major factions with no high-sec pipe between them could work.
Besides I am will to bet a major portion of ice mined in high-sec goes to 0.0
As long as the prices make it easier to sell high-ends in high-sec and buy cheap ice for the return trip that won't change.
The problem is removing high-sec ice will just screw WH's and high-sec POS owners.
Of course if they created a POS for worm-holes and high-sec that didn't need ice then you could remove it and force 0.0 dwellers to fend for themselves for fuel.

H0MO ERECTUS
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:17:00 - [25]
 

This is too big a change. I hope. CCP must have the metrics on just how many high sec pos' are out there.

Aitena
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:22:00 - [26]
 

You know, the one group this hurts the most is C5-C6 WH dwellers. They'd better start adding (rare) ice sites to WHs.

Joan Avon
Amarr
We See Dead People
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.04 04:45:00 - [27]
 

This kind of change will have an interesting effect on WH space as well.

Precisionist
Posted - 2011.08.04 05:47:00 - [28]
 

A smart CCP would put 50% of ice mines in LOW SEC, maybe actually have something worth while to do in lowsec, you know somethat is profitable that will draw PVP. Always nice to have all eve somewhat populated instead of 1 part highly populated.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.04 05:54:00 - [29]
 

lol

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.04 17:50:00 - [30]
 

Ice-mining, like ganking noobs in a barrel.


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