Posted - 2011.07.31 20:13:00 - [2]

 

AC mael would be good an excellent ship till you could get in a mach. I flew one until I saved up enough to buy my mach. But once in the mach, never look back.

Just my 2 cents

Posted - 2011.07.31 22:06:00 - [4]

 

I'm very interested in hearing more on the topic of Nightmare vs. Machariel

Posted - 2011.07.31 23:52:00 - [6]

 

so a mach is the supreme lvl 4 mission runner?

Posted - 2011.08.01 02:43:00 - [8]

 

Originally by: Flakey Foont

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Originally by: Vincent McFly

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AC mael would be good an excellent ship till you could get in a mach. I flew one until I saved up enough to buy my mach. But once in the mach, never look back.

Just my 2 cents

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I agree with this.

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+1 more.

An AC Mael is a bit of a handful to use, since you have to work cap, speed, shield and targets, it is more work than the RS but that is what makes it fun i guess :)

With good skills you can squeeze 1k DPS out of an AC Mael, and it's natural shield resists make it good for Minmatar space.

Get in a Mael, run enough L4's to be able to buy a Mach, with faction fittings, and insure it, then start using it. Don't sell the Mael, they are good assetts.

Posted - 2011.08.01 06:46:00 - [10]

 

Nothing beats the tengu at blitzing.

Nothing.

If you get high faction standings and decline every mission that you can't blitz, you are in business.

Posted - 2011.08.01 07:12:00 - [12]

 

Edited by: Aitena on 01/08/2011 07:30:22

Originally by: JonnyRandom

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Originally by: Linda Shadowborn

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And the tengu if you just blitz for LP.

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Originally by: Aitena

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Nothing beats the tengu at blitzing.

Nothing.

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In what possible way can a tengu that doesn't have much more DPS than a BC be best at blitzing missions compared to gank-setup faction BSs like the Mach and Nightmare?

If you want to convince me otherwise I want to see a fit that you use for blitzing in a tengu.

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478115

Essentially, cherry-pick missions that you can kill triggers and advance on. These missions are slow for larger ships - long align times, slowboating, etcetera. You accept multiple lowsec missions at a time and go around in your -nearly- unprobeable tengu, blitzing them and laughing as the combat probes fail to scan you down before you finish each mission. Once you're sitting on 20 million LP, liquidate them all into BPCs and other high value items.

It ends up being way in excess of 100m/hour.

And the reason why the Tengu is leaps and bounds above the pack in this regard is:
Speed - in excess of 600 m/s cruising speed with the afterburner on. Makes for quick burns to gates.
Agility - fast align times.
Damage Projection - While the Tengu might not be as high dps as the faction BSes, you can put out ~700 dps at basically any range, close, far, without tracking difficulties, jamming problems (high Caldari sensor strength), etc.
Resilience - Sig+Speed+resists makes the tengu an absolute champion at tanking large amounts of incoming dps. Again, not necessarily as much as the BSes, but way more than you need to blitz missions effectively.
Nearly unprobeable - A tengu that doesn't want to be probed down is very hard to find. So much so that you can complete lowsec L4 missions before the prospective PVPer can lock you and warp to you. And there aren't any bubbles to ruin your fun in lowsec :)

Posted - 2011.08.01 20:47:00 - [14]

 

Originally by: Coeus Enderas

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so a mach is the supreme lvl 4 mission runner?

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Mach for active piloting mode, tengu for easy/unprobeable* mode, rattler for AFK mode

The guy above who said he couldn't see how to get much DPS out of a mach, I don't know what to say.


*practically unprobeable

Posted - 2011.08.01 22:27:00 - [16]

 

Originally by: grumpyguts1

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I said "much MORE DPS" out of the Mach as apposed to the Maelstrom

Based on below comparison.
Maelstrom - 8 x 1400mm arty's, 4 x gyro's = 10,6k volley, 583 DPS, ROF = 18,2 sec's
Mach - 7 x 1400mm arty's, 4 x gyro's = 10,7 k volley, 665 DPS, ROF = 16 sec's

Maybe I missed something ???? But is the difference worth the isk??

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The Mach is built for autocannons. Why would you use 1400mm arty on it? That's like using cruise missiles on a Golem... Sure, you can do it, but you're seriously wasting the ship's potential. Fit an afterburner and you can get an easy 600 m/s out of a Mach to close range on targets.

Posted - 2011.08.02 04:28:00 - [18]

 

Angels tp, so any ship will work.

Guristas jam, any ship will work.

Serpentice damp, any ship will work.

Sansha targeting disruptors, missile ship works better than turret ship.

I don't remember what bloods do.

Anyway. Navy Scorpion is a clear winner.

Posted - 2011.08.02 10:45:00 - [20]

 

Edited by: Maken Cheese on 02/08/2011 10:49:20

Originally by: grumpyguts1

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It's bonused for Projectiles, not built for AC's. As to why, I dual box with a Tengu, so the Tengu knocks off cruisers almost as fast as I can switch screens, I use the drones from the maelstrom to shoot frigs and am 2 volleying bs's with the Arty's.. if I use AC, I will then have to worry about flying around the place to shoot everything. So in EVE it depends what you doing, I need to to destroy BS's as efficiently as I can without playing superman and flying all over the place... and NO putting cruise missiles on a Golem will not achieve the same effect....

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I didn't say it was bonused for autocannons, I said it was built for them, and it IS built for autocannons in the same way the Golem is built for torps. That's why I used that comparison, I'm talking about wasted potential. You can get 60+ km falloff with a Mach, so no, you don't need to do that much traveling in missions. I'm talking from first hand experience here - an autocannon Mach is my ship of choice. I've tried arty with it, and I can tell you without a doubt that autocannons destroy arty all day long in mission completion times.

With arty, it will take you at least 50 seconds to destroy a battleship and then fire at your next target (assuming you kill the ship in 2 hits - even with perfect skills that won't always happen). With autocannons, I can kill a BS at 20-40 km in 3-5 hits (9-15 seconds) and then I'm shooting at another target. And again, going 600 m/s closes range very quickly if the ship is more than 40 km away (I can hit out to 70 km with my setup, but the damage is reduced with falloff).

Posted - 2011.08.05 16:05:00 - [22]

 

Shield Mach + Barrage = 8.5 + 104 range. You could travel towards your targets, but they'll probably be dead long before you get far lol.