open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked CCP cancels EVE's Quarterly Economic Newsletters
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.07.27 06:47:00 - [1]
 

Are you ****ing kidding me CCP?

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.07.27 07:19:00 - [2]
 

Of course they cancelled it.

What, you thought CCP was going to release actual figures on how well NEX and Incarna worked out for them? Rolling Eyes

Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.27 07:35:00 - [3]
 

I want my QEN... Don't worry, we know Incarna's release didn't go according to plan. Don't hide it from us, remember that whole communication thing we talked about...

To be fair, it is supposed to be replaced, however, I'm quite skeptical as to whether or not it will be as inclusive and informative as the QEN.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.27 07:36:00 - [4]
 

lol

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.07.27 07:38:00 - [5]
 

The trick?
Pay attention to what they do...not what they say.

Velocity Prime
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2011.07.27 07:53:00 - [6]
 

oh no my internet economy

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:07:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Covert Kitty on 27/07/2011 08:08:19
In other news: Ben Bernanke cancels all press conferences after economic down turn, and expects things to get better.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:16:00 - [8]
 

They "canceled" the QUARTERLY part of it(even in the past they had trouble putting them out on schedule), planning on turning them into YEARLY things (with probably slightly altered looks), while at the same time starting to release bits and pieces of the almost-raw data which was used in creating the QENs.

I'd hardly call that an actual cancellation.

Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akita T
They "canceled" the QUARTERLY part of it(even in the past they had trouble putting them out on schedule), planning on turning them into YEARLY things (with probably slightly altered looks), while at the same time starting to release bits and pieces of the almost-raw data which was used in creating the QENs.

I'd hardly call that an actual cancellation.


Yearly? Still sucks, but that's better. I think they should do it bianually, between expansions.

Kion Clarix
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:30:00 - [10]
 

Wow. I'm genuinely surprised. Rolling Eyes

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.27 12:46:00 - [11]
 

A further dilution and abandonment of EVE Online by our esteemed developers.

No doubt the figures of Aurum transactions didn't meet the marketing departments 'PR' guidelines. No doubt this will be blamed upon good spring weather, a tsunami and a wedding.....

C.

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.27 13:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Akita T
They "canceled" the QUARTERLY part of it(even in the past they had trouble putting them out on schedule), planning on turning them into YEARLY things (with probably slightly altered looks), while at the same time starting to release bits and pieces of the almost-raw data which was used in creating the QENs.

I'd hardly call that an actual cancellation.


So, what you are saying, is that CCP just coincidentally pushed back the release of data, for up to a year, right as that data would demonstrate whether their latest expansion went according to the plan or not.

Akita, white-knighting for CCP pretty hard the past 2 months, haven't you?

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.07.27 13:21:00 - [13]
 

You know, it occurs to me that we're all pretty lucky that CCP is not as petulant and angsty as most of the forum-goers, or they would have thrown their hands up in disgust, said "**** it", shut the servers off, and gone home a long time ago.

LadyStrider
Posted - 2011.07.27 13:25:00 - [14]
 

This is an outrage!

We must send Jimmy Carter The Mitani and the rest of his sock puppets back over to Iceland and deal with this!

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2011.07.27 13:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Akita T
They "canceled" the QUARTERLY part of it(even in the past they had trouble putting them out on schedule), planning on turning them into YEARLY things (with probably slightly altered looks), while at the same time starting to release bits and pieces of the almost-raw data which was used in creating the QENs.

I'd hardly call that an actual cancellation.

This is partly an issue of data points and PR scheduling. As CCP only takes data points on subscription numbers on certain dates, for example, they can launch 5-day reactivation offers and power of two offers leading up to those dates. The temporarily reactivated accounts don't count in sub numbers, but a percentage of them will buy a PLEX with ISK and fully reactivate for a month. The big question is whether they're planning to take data points on things like subs, population spread etc at the same frequency and only release the collated data once per year or whether they're planning to now take data points once annually. It makes business sense to switch to an annual format and just pick the peak subscription time of year to run offers and release the figures on, so it doesn't require a huge mental leap to think that's the plan.

Supposing for a moment that they do plan to release only one data point per year on sub numbers, that would have a few effects on player perception. The benefit is that we'd be comparing subs at the same time each year, removing seasonal variance like the summer lull. While this typically doesn't affect subs as much as weekly PCU, removing any seasonal variation would make the data easier to compare point-for-point and remove misunderstandings (the "EVE IS DYING!" crap we see on the forum every summer when PCU drops). The big down side is that missing those intermediate data points throughout the year would intentionally hide subscription drop-off between expansions (something EVE has historically not had and which has only developed in the last few years). I would hope that the annual report still contains multiple data points over the year, but the possibility of the new format omitting inconvenient information is definitely there.

The main issue is of course that the timing of the quarterly report cancellation is incredibly worrying. The next report would have revealed the impact of Q1 2011's controversial nullsec anomaly change on ship types flown and population distribution, and the following one would have revealed subscription metrics showing Incarna's performance and the impact to subs of recent controversies, plus PLEX market data highlighting the uptake of the NEX store. If the report moves to an annual format, the worrying possibility exists that we might never get that data from the appropriate point in time and thus might never be able to judge for ourselves the success of the anomaly changes, Incarna and the NEX store. That this might be done deliberately to hide inconvenient information which might harm the EVE Online brand is not a stretch of the imagination.

I really hope I'm wrong, that I'm worrying too much about it and that the new annual report will just have the whole year's worth of data packed into one awesome document with all the raw data for players to sift through. But after recent events and considering CCP didn't even mention the QEN change until it was asked on the forum, I'm less than hopeful.

P.S. Goggles yeeoooo!

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kirkland Langue
Originally by: Akita T
They "canceled" the QUARTERLY part of it(even in the past they had trouble putting them out on schedule), planning on turning them into YEARLY things (with probably slightly altered looks), while at the same time starting to release bits and pieces of the almost-raw data which was used in creating the QENs.

I'd hardly call that an actual cancellation.


So, what you are saying, is that CCP just coincidentally pushed back the release of data, for up to a year, right as that data would demonstrate whether their latest expansion went according to the plan or not.

Akita, white-knighting for CCP pretty hard the past 2 months, haven't you?


Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."



Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux

Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."


You do understand that "QEN" stands for Quarterly Economic Newsletter, right?

If whatever replaces it is released yearly, it is de facto not a QEN.

With respect, calling people idiots tends to be an awkward gamble.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:16:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 27/07/2011 14:16:38
Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Originally by: stoicfaux

Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."


You do understand that "QEN" stands for Quarterly Economic Newsletter, right?

If whatever replaces it is released yearly, it is de facto not a QEN.

With respect, calling people idiots tends to be an awkward gamble.



Think stoicfaux is starting to feel like I do as a not-so-bitter-and-actually-fairly-content veteran.

This is basically how the EVE forums go these days, vastly different than only a few short years ago:

Poster: CCP did something.
Response: OMG THEY ARE OUT TO EAT OUR BABIES AND RIFLE THROUGH OUR UNDERWEAR DRAWERS AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH *snorts a line*
Poster: The sky is blue...?
Response: OMG CCP SPRAYED WMD CHEMICALS INTO THE AIR TO SUFFOCATE US ALL SO THEY COULD FINALLY ACHIEVE WORLD DOMINATION!
Poster: ...
Reponse: OMG YOU ARE A CCP SPAI!!!!!! HALP MEH CCP IS IN MAH BRAINSAUCE EATING MY THOUGHTAGES! *snorts another line*


TBH it gets a little boring and frustrating when everything and everyone is treated as some sekrets plots by CCP to ruin our lives and foment our women.

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:23:00 - [19]
 


For clarity, I have no opinion one way or the other on the termination/replacement of the QEN. It was a fluff piece anyway, meant more for marketing the game than anything else.

I just find self-aggrandizing name-calling distasteful.


Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:25:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Esan Vartesa

For clarity, I have no opinion one way or the other on the termination/replacement of the QEN. It was a fluff piece anyway, meant more for marketing the game than anything else.

I just find self-aggrandizing name-calling distasteful.




Oh true true, I try to avoid random name-calling myself if at all possible... but when I get miffed I'll start throwing punches so to speak, but yea... I wasn't saying I disagree of course with that sentiment at least, just explaining what it seemed like his motivation was.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:27:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 27/07/2011 14:30:09
Well the last thing they want to do is admit their investors' blind greed convinced them to accidently the whole company

of course i'm completely wrong here and WoD and Dust and WiS will totally redeem all the players they lost by stopping development of Eve. you wait and see, just give them a year to fudge the numbers and the REAL monocle sales to hit. then you'll see this cunning plan worked out completely.

this is normal and has no ulterior reason behind it. they just got tired of writing so often so they are moving to a yearly release. nothing to see here.

i'm not kidding about dust and vampires and WiS, you just wait, it's going to be so awesome. ******* rainbows and waterfalls and unicorns and fairy dust for everyone and ccp will be rich. you guys are going to feel so silly in 2025 when all the cool stuff they wanted to put in eve is finally here.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:29:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Originally by: stoicfaux

Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."


You do understand that "QEN" stands for Quarterly Economic Newsletter, right?

If whatever replaces it is released yearly, it is de facto not a QEN.

With respect, calling people idiots tends to be an awkward gamble.



You're right, idiot wasn't the correct word. I should have used the word troll instead.

Selectively leaving out relevant facts (i.e. the QEN is becoming a YEN) is a deliberate attempt at deception with the only goal of trolling.

And yes, that makes me an idiot for replying to a troll thread. <spanks_self>Bad stoicfaux! Bad!</spanks_self>

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:34:00 - [23]
 

Just let me afix my tinfoil hat securely (BTW how long before these are available for Arum in teh Nex store, I'd buy one Laughing).

The removal of the QEN and its replacement by an annual report does look like more of €€P's "we don't care about EVE and the subscribers are only there to be milked", I mean how much huff and puff was it to put out the damm thing in the 1st place, given the economist with the unpronouncable name seemed to have a team of several statistics nerds at his beck and call. As is mentions above I'm suspicious that this move takes away the ability of the player base to make accurate metrics about EVE, most importantly PCU and sub numebrs (given what has happened recently).

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:37:00 - [24]
 

Booo

I really enjoyed those.

BTW a quarterly report got me into eve...thought that any came with that much depth has to be more complex than what i was playing(wow)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:39:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 27/07/2011 14:51:10

Originally by: Kirkland Langue
Akita, white-knighting for CCP pretty hard the past 2 months, haven't you?

[sarcasm]Yeah, right. [/sarcasm]

Quote:
So, what you are saying, is that CCP just coincidentally pushed back the release of data, for up to a year, right as that data would demonstrate whether their latest expansion went according to the plan or not.

"Coincidentally", as in, by the time QEN/Q2-2011 should have been about to come out, when Q4-2010 was the last one actually out ?
And it wasn't the only one not out in time or at all in the history of QENs, from now on, YENs.

As for the data, it's been fairly obvious from the graph analyses so far that the daily online users average is almost directly linked to the active subscriber counts, with a few exceptions like the effects of "unholy rage" and other bot-banning campaigns.
That is, to say, the absolutely "shocking" news that paying players spend on average about as much time logged into EVE nowadays as they ever used to and probably ever will. Like, duuh ?
So you can pretty much recreate THOSE graphs without the QEN, by just looking at eve-offline.net.
That, or taking the CSV file that's floating around with the "datadump" for exactly that, and creating your own graphs with moving averages and expansion demarcation lines and whatnot.
It's what several people around here have already done - like THIS ONE for instance (NOT from me, just took it from another thread).

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.27 14:54:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Originally by: stoicfaux

Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."


You do understand that "QEN" stands for Quarterly Economic Newsletter, right?

If whatever replaces it is released yearly, it is de facto not a QEN.

With respect, calling people idiots tends to be an awkward gamble.



You do understand that you completely made and reinforced his point right?

Feawin
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2011.07.28 09:00:00 - [27]
 

One less transparancy point for an otherwise awesome game. One of the first things I say about eve when telling a friend is the awesome player-based economy and how you can impact it. The QER is the second thing.
You might want to consider that CCP.

djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff
Posted - 2011.07.28 10:24:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/07/2011 14:51:10

bla bla…

So you can pretty much recreate THOSE graphs without the QEN, by just looking at eve-offline.net.
That, or taking the CSV file that's floating around with the "datadump" for exactly that, and creating your own graphs with moving averages and expansion demarcation lines and whatnot.
It's what several people around here have already done - like THIS ONE for instance (NOT from me, just took it from another thread).


Those are nice figures. I would love to see alliance figures to see if the population of 0.0 is related to the overall population. Are these available?

Atrom
Posted - 2011.07.28 13:21:00 - [29]
 

So, that much for transparency and communication...

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:27:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Esan Vartesa
Originally by: stoicfaux

Idiot.

The OP correctly stated that the Quarterly QEN is going away.

However, the OP conveniently neglected to mention that the QEN is moving to a yearly release.

By leaving out the yearly release bit, the OP is deliberately trying to mislead people into assuming that the QEN is going away completely. Akita merely corrected the OP's "oversight."


You do understand that "QEN" stands for Quarterly Economic Newsletter, right?

If whatever replaces it is released yearly, it is de facto not a QEN.

With respect, calling people idiots tends to be an awkward gamble.



You do understand that you completely made and reinforced his point right?


Did I? The good professor never said that the QEN was moving to a yearly release. Instead, he said that they were still discussing the matter, that they were discontinuing the QEN in the meantime, and that things would possibly be moving to a more raw form of data release that might include data on a yearly basis. Which, coincidentally, looks a lot like this.

There will be no YEN. What we'll get for the next couple of months is more 5-minute dev blogs like the recent one, just to appease the masses, and then nothing.

Accusing the OP of axe-grindy deception for having left out something that never actually happened is, itself, just the grinding of another axe.

Again, I considered the QEN to be a marketing tool. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people liked it, and it IS being taken away.



Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only