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Mavnas
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:36:00 - [1]
 

So I'm looking for a relatively cheap ship with good align time and non-terrible DPS to dip my toe into lowsec PvE. I'm wondering, is a stealth bomber viable for anything? Ratting maybe? I imagine frigates in complexes would murder me or web me so their larger friends could murder me?

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:41:00 - [2]
 

frigates and cruiser in complexes would murder you.
Either bring a separate tank ship (interceptor?) or restrict pve to beltratting only, which works well for a SB.

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:52:00 - [3]
 

It works great for belt ratting if properly fit. Drop the bomb, fit a MSE, primary Destroyer->Frig->Cruiser->BS rats, and keep your traversal up the whole time and you should be fine.

Mavnas
Posted - 2011.07.26 17:36:00 - [4]
 

Is this a viable anti-guristas fit:


[Manticore, CheapLOL]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Small Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.07.26 18:38:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: mxzf on 26/07/2011 18:39:31
Try more like this:

[Manticore, Ratting]
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
Salvager I

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I


You really want the MSE there for buffer, it more than triples your shield. Don't try to fit an active tank to it, you just don't have the cap and it's not worthwhile (and just a tip, Semiconductor rigs are better for smaller ships usually, since they increase the amount of cap too, which keeps you above optimum recharge for longer).

The fit I posted has 0.4% less DPS, but it will tank way better, deal MUCH more damage to anything smaller than a BS (because of the TP), and it's way cheaper since it has T1 rigs instead of T2.

You could trade the hardener for a shield booster for topping off between fights, but don't rely on it for actual tank in fights, just burst it afterwards to regen quicker (or just cloak at a safe and go to the bathroom and your shields will be full anyways).

Mavnas
Posted - 2011.07.26 20:23:00 - [6]
 

Yeah... it seems yours has double the buffer, half the actual tank. I guess I'd have to see how much I can avoid being hit and what the composition of targets is. Back when I did stuff in a slicer on my Amarr alt, there were missions where the NPCs never got through my shields (Level 4s that is), and I used to joke that the ship was over tanked and I should use 4 heat sinks instead.

Then again I imagine the stealth bomber will probably need to stay further out to avoid the small ships which I might just not be able to kill at all.

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.07.26 20:45:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: mxzf on 26/07/2011 20:46:21
Originally by: Mavnas
Yeah... it seems yours has double the buffer, half the actual tank. I guess I'd have to see how much I can avoid being hit and what the composition of targets is. Back when I did stuff in a slicer on my Amarr alt, there were missions where the NPCs never got through my shields (Level 4s that is), and I used to joke that the ship was over tanked and I should use 4 heat sinks instead.

Then again I imagine the stealth bomber will probably need to stay further out to avoid the small ships which I might just not be able to kill at all.


With a SB, it's not a brawler. It's made to get in and get out. What you do is warp in 50km from the belt cloaked and start yourself orbiting a BS at 40km out (a halfway decently skilled SB can hit out to 50km easy, but missiles have some flight time delay).

Then you drop cloak, turn on the AB and just orbit the BS. Just paint and hit the frigs first and they'll go down in 2-3 vollys. The BSes will hit you for ~5-10 damage or so if you're orbiting them with an AB.

And it's not "Half the actual tank", it's a different type of tank (passive vs active), which will give you 3x the EHP and almost 3/4 the regen per second against Guristas (which would suggest that it's 2.25x as effective, but it's actually more so since you don't have to gimp your mids and rigs to fit it, especially the TP is a MUST so you can kill the frigs/cruisers before they kill you). Also, with a bit of buffer you can actually break off if you realize they're breaking your tank.

Edit: Also, every now and then a BS will get a lucky hit for 250 or so while you're changing orbit or something, a MSE is the difference between that taking out all your shields or 1/3 of them.

Lokna Rohgar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.29 11:47:00 - [8]
 

I've succesfully ratted in a purifier in sansha space nullsec for a while without a tank of any kind orbiting bs's with their frigate escorts at 40 km's, so far i've lost my sb just once when my afterburner refused to fire after having cloaked and decloaked so you really want speed when ratting in a SB, my fit is pure dps and I actually have half assed afterburner skills. I use two tech 2 bcu's in the low with a co processor, one afterburner and one target painter and the bs's die fine, and cruisers to if its a faction spawn. Sadly i can't shoot their escorts as i live in a busy nullsec alliance area so a lot of people around 'chain' belts so killing escorts would diminish isk an hour from these belts. Its not hard ratting in a sb but you want good skills for it. Also i would prolly fit a buffer shield tank to absorb some of the damage but after one and a half hour of ratting i was usually only in quarter armour.

Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
Posted - 2011.07.29 21:31:00 - [9]
 

Even after recent fixes related to aggro, SBs are still able to run most of lvl 5 missions. It's hard, requires decent isk/skill investments most of the time and very special approach to fitting, but still - possible (e.g. 3 rogue missions are doable within about 1 hour of real time).

If you don't have skills/iskies/whatever - try ratting in the belts, however, from my perspective, it's much harder as frigate-sized npcs are much faster there.

I'd stick to buffer tanking too, even if it gives you just half of shield booster tank at peak regen point.

Barbarella Smith
Posted - 2011.07.29 23:17:00 - [10]
 

i have a hound i use for low and null sec ratting. i never take on frigate npc's, only cruisers and up.i always make sure i set up the hit by starting on one side of the rat, aligning to something on the other side of the rat. I start about 40 or 50 km from the target, uncloak, start lobbing torpedos. i use an afterburner and overdrive modules, those along with a target painter and invul II, and shield extender rigs, my little hound is pretty safe from anything not a frigate.

staying aligned is key though. those covops tacklers are crafty. Always trying to bring a fleet down on a stealth bomber, funny.Confused


 

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