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AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: AdZc on 25/07/2011 16:42:43
So yea the Tier 3 bs (scorpion, maelstrom...) dont have a T2 version. Atm we have the Black ops and Maruders, it would be nice to have a BS sized ship to be similar to the HACs and AFs?

A damage dealing BS, not sure what bonuses etc the ships should have but just the concept.

edit - typos

Diesel47
Posted - 2011.07.25 19:05:00 - [2]
 

wtb mael w/ t2 resists.

(and you mean rokh, not scorp.)

Plyn
Posted - 2011.07.25 19:08:00 - [3]
 

I'm concerned about how ridiculously well this ship would perform in level 4 missions. Wouldn't be an ISK faucet anymore, it'd be an ISK waterfall...

Ham burgers
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:21:00 - [4]
 

ya, I think it would be up being used only as a care bear boat.

Kinda like marauders are supposed to be capital destroyers, but 99% of them never leave highsec.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Ham burgers
ya, I think it would be up being used only as a care bear boat.

Kinda like marauders are supposed to be capital destroyers, but 99% of them never leave highsec.


Kinda normal, the simple fact of undock and you're already jammed/damp...silly ship, crap dps but has a nice cargo to carry cap boosters to your friends while you bait...

Crazy KSK
Posted - 2011.07.25 22:30:00 - [6]
 

marauders where always supposed to be pve only ships hence the bad ecm resist

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.25 22:35:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Crazy KSK
marauders where always supposed to be pve only ships hence the bad ecm resist


Nice joke Laughing

Sarrgon
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:07:00 - [8]
 

Can always have, high DPS but low tank, the ultimate alpha ship of sorts. Just easy to be alpha'd itself.

illirdor
Gallente
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.07.25 23:59:00 - [9]
 

i think we need heavy assault BC,s more :)

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2011.07.26 09:18:00 - [10]
 

Quite right, the rokh of course, i dunno why i thought the scorp lol.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.26 10:05:00 - [11]
 

Sure it would be nice but it would also utterly break the game.

Look at what is needed to take out a competent HAC or an AF. It works because there are several larger options available to keep them in check .. there is nothing above BS so they would generally be untouchable.

Commander IceQ
Caldari
Spit and Ductape Maintenance
Trade Wind Commodities
Posted - 2011.07.26 10:51:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Commander IceQ on 26/07/2011 10:53:00
Originally by: illirdor
i think we need heavy assault BC,s more :)

They are already there; Command Ships. Like the Nighthawk.

EDIT: On the topic. Not sure really. I would rather have another subsystem on a Tengu that allows me to fit Torps or Cruise. Twisted Evil

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.07.26 11:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ineka
Originally by: Crazy KSK
marauders where always supposed to be pve only ships hence the bad ecm resist


Nice joke Laughing


Offcourse it was meant as a pve shipclass, it has a bonus on tractor beams for god's sake.

If you make me a paladin that has 8 (instead of 4) gun slots and another bonus you'd have a capital killer. Now you have a dedicated pve ship.

Sinikka Huiputti
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:53:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ineka
Originally by: Crazy KSK
marauders where always supposed to be pve only ships hence the bad ecm resist


Nice joke Laughing


yeah i agree with you, marauders are obviously pvp ships.

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:34:00 - [15]
 

Confirming my paladin with a tractor beam, cap recharge and active armor tanking bonuses is designed to kill capitals.Laughing

Seriously though, I don't think a proper t2 pvp BS would be such a bad idea. T2 ships are generally supposed to be superior to navy but inferior to pirate faction. So I really see no problem here, we already have navy and pirate variants. No one complains about the rattlesnake, bhaalgorn, and so on being game breaking. And there are bigger ships of course, go pvp with a bhaalgorn in low sec and see what happens. It won't be more than a few days before 10+ SC's hotdrop you. And that's assuming you live long enough for that to happen. The bhaalgorn maybe powerful, but it can't solo 10 BC's with 2-3 logi and 4 falcons. And that's exactly what will be dropped on you as soon as someone notices you. Incidentally, that's why I sold my bhaalgron. The thing was a disaster waiting to happen.

So with that in mind, t2 pvp BS's are perfectly reasonable to add. However I don't really want just more dps/tank. I think it should be split like in the cases of frigates and cruisers. There should be EW varients (EAF/recon style) and direct combat (AF/HAC style). The black ops are an obvious choice for retooling into BS sized recons, something new would need to be added for the direct combat t2 BS's. As for HAC styled BC's, we already have those. They are called field command ships.

Oooooh Aaaaah
Posted - 2011.07.26 16:21:00 - [16]
 

Why not just un-nerf Marauders. When they were made, they came pre-nerfed with weak sensor strength because CCP was afraid they would be 'abused' as PvP powerhouses in the then predominant BS warfare.
Pirate BS used to suck for the most part anyway, so except for some ragequitters, you wouldn't see them in PvP.

In the age of Macahariel Gangs, I don't see a reason why Marauders shouldmremein nerfed - especially since their tractor bonus is obsolete since the Noctis' arrival.

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2011.07.26 18:21:00 - [17]
 

I always thought a basic - HACS kill Cruisers, AFs kill Frigs, ??? kills BS. I mean yes ships can blow up BS but its not like there is an advanced BS DPS boat just the BS seem to have T2 specialized ships, instead of DPS, so the "HAB" can be designed to take down BS and similar sized ships?

And yes the pirates can always be better but it could be like Raven - HAB - Macherial for example?

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:43:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: illirdor
i think we need heavy assault BC,s more :)


Then a Tech II Assault Carrier in a year or so after the assult BS.

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2011.07.27 03:58:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kieron VonDeux
Originally by: illirdor
i think we need heavy assault BC,s more :)


Then a Tech II Assault Carrier in a year or so after the assult BS.


WTB T2 Heavy Assault Titan
- 8 Highs, each capable of supporting their own DD
- In addition to multiple DD, can also use scripted warp bubble for infinipoint.
- Drone Bay m3/Mbit = Pilot's SP

Hmm, what else? Laughing

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.27 15:29:00 - [20]
 

Tbh there's ridiculous amounts of ships which can have "assault" tag on them if needed already. We don't need just another ship with tank and spank anymore.

I'd be more worried about balance between current ones.


Robert Caldera
Posted - 2011.07.27 15:44:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: AdZc
I always thought a basic - HACS kill Cruisers, AFs kill Frigs, ??? kills BS. I mean yes ships can blow up BS but its not like there is an advanced BS DPS boat just the BS seem to have T2 specialized ships, instead of DPS, so the "HAB" can be designed to take down BS and similar sized ships?
its flawed logic. A HAC doesnt always kill a cruiser, it depends on the pilot, fitting and much more. But it CAN kill a cruiser, as even much more different stuff. There is no clear relationship between T1 and T2 ship types just because they have similar names, so there is no "Assault Battleship". Marauder are the "assaupt battleships" actually, they have better damage with less guns and hence are offensive ships.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.27 19:11:00 - [22]
 

I once thought about something like that, just differently: Fleet Assault Battleships.

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2011.07.28 11:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: AdZc
I always thought a basic - HACS kill Cruisers, AFs kill Frigs, ??? kills BS. I mean yes ships can blow up BS but its not like there is an advanced BS DPS boat just the BS seem to have T2 specialized ships, instead of DPS, so the "HAB" can be designed to take down BS and similar sized ships?
its flawed logic. A HAC doesnt always kill a cruiser, it depends on the pilot, fitting and much more. But it CAN kill a cruiser, as even much more different stuff. There is no clear relationship between T1 and T2 ship types just because they have similar names, so there is no "Assault Battleship". Marauder are the "assaupt battleships" actually, they have better damage with less guns and hence are offensive ships.


Yea i know ship a can kill ship b with the right setups etc, it was a very basic outlook.

I dont have any interest in block ops or marauders and wanted to have some sort of PVP BS i suppose.

I always thought both BO and Marauders in PVP was lol fit fail? (apart from BO being used for...well..black ops)

Guess i just wanna see shiney T2 Rokhs (got it this time ;) and maels etc.

Ill check out ur idea also :)

Jiao Governator
Posted - 2011.07.28 18:29:00 - [24]
 

What they need to do is scale down Dreadnaughts a bit, maybe use capital weapon systems or maybe use large weapon systems, and make them usuable in high sec as these heavy assault battleships. The balancing would be tough, especially around the siege aspect, but it would be nice to have another ship in high sec that could use gates or jump.

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Romex Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:05:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Blodhgarm Dethahal on 04/08/2011 14:07:16
Originally by: illirdor
i think we need heavy assault BC,s more :)


We do have Assault BCs... they are called Field Command Ships, if you look they have prerequisites of getting HAC and Assault Frigates. So they go down the same 'Assault Path'.

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Romex Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:11:00 - [26]
 

I posted a thread on this a little while ago also: New T2 Battleship?

Zylaphone
Posted - 2011.08.04 15:34:00 - [27]
 

boohoo I don't think marauder can be used for pvp its sensors/scan res are too weak... /sarcasm

They're weak for a reason. Every ship has to have a weakness, otherwise you end up with monster boats that can logoffski mid-fight and still survive... oh wait... that's something for another thread XD

Anyways, fit some backup arrays, fit some sensor boosters, and you've got a Kronos that can go pvp like a champ. Everyone has this big misconception that because it isn't perfect with ALL DPS ALL TANK mods the ship is broken and unusable.

[Kronos, Heavy Assault Battleship]
-Highs-
4x Neutron Blaster Cannon II
3x Medium Energy Neutralizer II

-Mids-
1x Sensor Booster II (scan res script)
1x 100mn Microwarpdrive II
1x Tracking Computer II (tracking speed script)
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II

-Lows-
2x Magnetometric Backup Array II
1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x Armor Explosive Hardener II

-Rigs-
2x Large Tri-Mark Armor Pump I

You end up with better sensor strength and scan res than it's normal BS counterpart, better DPS, AND get neuts. Throw in some implants and it's nice tank becomes an awesome tank. Slings out some nice dps with a very respectable alpha.

If you're made of ISK (and the ship is pretty expensive to begin with) you can always throw on the t2 rigs, get some faction crap to stick on there.

No, this isn't a solo pvp win button. But I'd be concerned if the enemy fleet had one or two of these up their sleeve.

And, Hey! If you're with a fleet and you've got some projected eccm (ya, rite) on your side, you can always drop one of those arrays for another mag stab.

Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2011.08.04 15:45:00 - [28]
 

Irrelevant shiptype.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.04 16:04:00 - [29]
 

Demonstrate a need for these, because I don't see one.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.08.05 02:59:00 - [30]
 

I think it's a cool idea. Just keep in mind that a ship like this would reasonably cost a feckload to build. For that reason, it may not be used much in pvp. But it would sure kick some butt, wouldn't it?

Might be something they throw in with the capital fleets. Almost as expensive, over half as powerful, over half as tough, but good defense because it can shoot at other battleships.


 

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