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Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 04:13:00 - [1]
 

Well I chose Gallente, but because all of my friends are Caldari it makes it troublesome to jump 20 times(then 20 times back) to do a single mission with them. However I don't want to lose the time I have spent on this character. So is it somehow possible to petition a skill transferal or is this something which is out of the question? I'm not planning to send a petition on this right this moment, I am only asking if this is viable. Thanks for your time.

Craven Aleros
Posted - 2011.07.24 04:24:00 - [2]
 

Is this a troll? I can't tell. Not sure why you'd want to transfer skills. Why don't you just move to your friends location or set up a jumpclone?

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 04:56:00 - [3]
 

I'll take it that it's not viable then. Okay, wasn't trolling, there were other reasons I would prefer to be Caldari now that I know their traits. Anyways, a jump clone in Caldari space for a Gallente is even less viable :P. Thanks!

Little Delicious
Posted - 2011.07.24 05:03:00 - [4]
 

character creation is 100% RP, so unless you want to be caldari because you want a different portrait then there's no reason you can't just stay in caldari space with your friends.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.24 05:10:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Henry Haphorn on 24/07/2011 05:10:51
Being Caldari (or any other race for that matter) has very little to do with how it affects your ships. Gallente can fly Caldari ships if you train towards it.

EDIT:

Other than that, Just either move your character to Caldari space or convince your friends to move to where you are.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.24 05:13:00 - [6]
 

Character creation is 99% cosmetic, the only tangible thing it changes is a few extremely minor starting skills (worth like a 2 hrs or something), and your *starting* location.

Nothing prevents you from immediately leaving for caldari space, or training anything you wish. Or even joining a different Militia if you wished. etc.

So choose your character for RP or cosmetic reasons, then do what you wish.

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 05:29:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Covert Kitty
Character creation is 99% cosmetic, the only tangible thing it changes is a few extremely minor starting skills (worth like a 2 hrs or something), and your *starting* location.

Nothing prevents you from immediately leaving for caldari space, or training anything you wish. Or even joining a different Militia if you wished. etc.

So choose your character for RP or cosmetic reasons, then do what you wish.

Thanks for the information everyone, I suppose I'll just work towards a jump clone there.

Ku Feym
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:18:00 - [8]
 

I… can't… fly… to Caldari space. Trying… to… fly… to Caldari space. Heeeellllpppp!

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ku Feym
I… can't… fly… to Caldari space. Trying… to… fly… to Caldari space. Heeeellllpppp!

When it takes 30 minutes(both ways) out of my game time to *manually* warp to 0 and jump, I find it hard to do that every other day for a single run which may take 30 minutes. Why would I spend all that time when I could have been based there by being Caldari. My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction, so jump clones aren't very possible currently.

Probably Alt
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:31:00 - [10]
 

Personal attack removed. Spitfire

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:34:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Originally by: Ku Feym
I… can't… fly… to Caldari space. Trying… to… fly… to Caldari space. Heeeellllpppp!

When it takes 30 minutes(both ways) out of my game time to *manually* warp to 0 and jump, I find it hard to do that every other day for a single run which may take 30 minutes. Why would I spend all that time when I could have been based there by being Caldari. My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction, so jump clones aren't very possible currently.
so, why are you going back and forth? just get yourself an indy and move to Caldari space. As others have said, your race has next to no bearing on anything you do ingame.

as for jump-clones - there are corps that can help out with this.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:39:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction

Inaccurate.

Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).
You can correct that quite easily.
First off, I would strongly recommend training "Diplomacy" to at least L4, then splitting mission standings with your Caldari pals until you can access the agent yourself, then taking missions from him, and optionally, running Caldari storylines when they show up.

The only thing that matters for agent access are standings, and those have absolutely nothing to do with your race, but only your past actions.

As soon as you go over -2.00 effective Caldari faction standing (which, I hope, training "Diplomacy" will accomplish), you should have access to any Caldari agents with which you have a high enough NPC corp or agent standing (which can be obtained by splitting end-of-mission rewards as a fleet).

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 06:54:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:57:08
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:56:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction

Inaccurate.

Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).
You can correct that quite easily.
First off, I would strongly recommend training "Diplomacy" to at least L4, then splitting mission standings with your Caldari pals until you can access the agent yourself, then taking missions from him, and optionally, running Caldari storylines when they show up.

The only thing that matters for agent access are standings, and those have absolutely nothing to do with your race, but only your past actions.

As soon as you go over -2.00 effective Caldari faction standing (which, I hope, training "Diplomacy" will accomplish), you should have access to any Caldari agents with which you have a high enough NPC corp or agent standing (which can be obtained by splitting end-of-mission rewards as a fleet).


Technically that means it IS accurate, I have negative standings because I was running standard missions, which because of my faction, those missions naturally caused me to lose standings. Thank you for the recommendation, I'll start training it as soon as possible. I appreciate your constructive comment which was very helpful.

As for everyone's insults, I don't believe someone is an idiot because they did not understand how a part of the game works and only went off assumptions which were formulated based on the data the game was relaying through trial and error. I really find it even less reasonable to call me a loser because I did not understand how little implication the races had on the game. From the "bonuses" my friends seemed to be getting, I was seeing a much larger advantage as the Caldari due to them getting what took my character a week to train just by creating a Caldarian(?) character.

I was jumping back and forth because Gallente ships don't seem to be sold much in Caldari airspace. Neither did many Gallente skills.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:02:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:57:08
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:56:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction

Inaccurate.

Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).
You can correct that quite easily.
First off, I would strongly recommend training "Diplomacy" to at least L4, then splitting mission standings with your Caldari pals until you can access the agent yourself, then taking missions from him, and optionally, running Caldari storylines when they show up.

The only thing that matters for agent access are standings, and those have absolutely nothing to do with your race, but only your past actions.

As soon as you go over -2.00 effective Caldari faction standing (which, I hope, training "Diplomacy" will accomplish), you should have access to any Caldari agents with which you have a high enough NPC corp or agent standing (which can be obtained by splitting end-of-mission rewards as a fleet).


Technically that means it IS accurate, I have negative standings because I was running standard missions, which because of my faction, those missions naturally caused me to lose standings. Thank you for the recommendation, I'll start training it as soon as possible. I appreciate your constructive comment which was very helpful.

As for everyone's insults, I don't believe someone is an idiot because they did not understand how a part of the game works and only went off assumptions which were formulated based on the data the game was relaying through trial and error. I really find it even less reasonable to call me a loser because I did not understand how little implication the races had on the game. From the "bonuses" my friends seemed to be getting, I was seeing a much larger advantage as the Caldari due to them getting what took my character a week to train just by creating a Caldarian(?) character.

I was jumping back and forth because Gallente ships don't seem to be sold much in Caldari airspace. Neither did many Gallente skills.


You're not an idiot for not understanding how an aspect of the game works. I doubt that anyone completely understands every part of EVE in 100.00% correct detail.

However you were being an idiot for complaining about something you dont understand and asking for special treatment from the GMs, rather than asking for information and taking the trouble to resolve the problem yourself. Which is why you got flamed.

Wrong: OMG I WANT GEE EM TO MAKE IT ALL BETTER FOR ME

Right: I am in situation x, and I want to be in situation y. Can anyone advise me on the best course of action?

However, as you started out "wrong" but managed to change your attitude to "right" by the end, then you learned two things from this thread.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:04:00 - [15]
 

Hello Suki Vamayis,

Transfer of skill points between characters is not possible, so there is no reason to submit a petition. However, there are a lot of good suggestions in this thread on how to solve your problem.

For even more information, I would advise reading the ISK Guide (available as a PDF download).

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:08:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 07:14:54
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 07:09:51
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 07:08:42

Originally by: Akita T
*snip*

Oh, I didn't mean to ask for special treatment or present any complaints. I had read somewhere that at one point SP reallocation was performed. I meant to ask if it still was and if my situation was a reasonable cause. I understand though, rather than immediately asking the possibility of reallocation I should have asked whether factions actually have any effect on gameplay. Thanks for clarifying that, I wasn't able to see my fault from my position due to the natural assumptions I had made and unjustly expected everyone else to make. My bad guys.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 07:18:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis

I had read somewhere that at one point SP reallocation was performed.


You might be referring to the removal of learning skills this winter, when all characters who trained the Learning group skills received a corresponding amount of skill points as a compensation, to distribute as they see fit.


Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.07.24 08:33:00 - [18]
 

Another option to fix your standings is to run missions for the empire "close" to the one you want to run to, so in your case if your Caldari standings are beyond salvaging run missions for Amarr or Ammatar until you can take Caldari missions again.
Alternatively find a Faction Warfare corp (if they still exist) and run a bunch of FW sites, those boost standings fast. Your standings might make that difficult at start though.

As for the ships, just put a bunch of ships into a freighter (or have them freightered over), you shouldn't lose too many in PvE if you know what you're doing. And if you go for PvP it might be worth carrying a BPO/BPC for the ships you need most with you and build them yourself. Besides, Jita is in Caldari, and that should be where ships are attained easily.

Ami Hayashi
Caldari
Did Not Read
Posted - 2011.07.24 08:47:00 - [19]
 

Isn't your character 8 days old?

Just biomass it and make a new caldari character then, 8 days of SP is nothing Rolling Eyes

Victoria Arnolles
Posted - 2011.07.24 09:46:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Anyways, a jump clone in Caldari space for a Gallente is even less viable :P. Thanks!

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Thanks for the information everyone, I suppose I'll just work towards a jump clone there.


No work needed at all, just use Estel Arador's jumpclone service to get jumpclones.

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.24 09:56:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis

I was jumping back and forth because Gallente ships don't seem to be sold much in Caldari airspace. Neither did many Gallente skills.
Rolling Eyes

I really wish this guy WAS a troll, rather than a genuine example of the new players CCP is attracting these days.




Devious Relation
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:05:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Devious Relation on 24/07/2011 10:46:36
Edited by: Devious Relation on 24/07/2011 10:17:28
actualy if ccp are going the whole MT cash shop route, many other games offer restats or respec's in thier cash shops for cold hard cash. So maybe this isnt so far fetched


Edit : to include some random monocle trolol..... MONOCLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!Laughing


Actualy if you think about this, CCP would make a absolute killing if they did implament the sale of SP's or even the "restat/re-skill" options other games do nowerdays.

I think this defiantly deserves investigation by ccp's financial team as its obviously possible for them to add sp's as they proved with the removal and refund of learning skills. For very little initial setup work there would be a huge influx of cash to the game. Not that i totaly support MT and only wear a monocle ironicly and for trololing purposes, this would actualy interest me and many other players seriously! Maybe start a poll who would be willing to buy sp's restat allocated sp's etc, im sure the results would be overwhelmingugh

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.07.24 15:08:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:57:08
Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 06:56:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction

Inaccurate.

Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).
You can correct that quite easily.
First off, I would strongly recommend training "Diplomacy" to at least L4, then splitting mission standings with your Caldari pals until you can access the agent yourself, then taking missions from him, and optionally, running Caldari storylines when they show up.

The only thing that matters for agent access are standings, and those have absolutely nothing to do with your race, but only your past actions.

As soon as you go over -2.00 effective Caldari faction standing (which, I hope, training "Diplomacy" will accomplish), you should have access to any Caldari agents with which you have a high enough NPC corp or agent standing (which can be obtained by splitting end-of-mission rewards as a fleet).


Technically that means it IS accurate, I have negative standings because I was running standard missions, which because of my faction, those missions naturally caused me to lose standings. Thank you for the recommendation, I'll start training it as soon as possible. I appreciate your constructive comment which was very helpful.

As for everyone's insults, I don't believe someone is an idiot because they did not understand how a part of the game works and only went off assumptions which were formulated based on the data the game was relaying through trial and error. I really find it even less reasonable to call me a loser because I did not understand how little implication the races had on the game. From the "bonuses" my friends seemed to be getting, I was seeing a much larger advantage as the Caldari due to them getting what took my character a week to train just by creating a Caldarian(?) character.

I was jumping back and forth because Gallente ships don't seem to be sold much in Caldari airspace. Neither did many Gallente skills.


You can mission without changing faction standings by declining any missions that require shooting ships of another faction and by declining all storyline missions. Some of the tutorial missions count as storyline so you can actually repair standings with a particular empire by running their tutorials. Given that each empire has 3 schools and 5 tutorial hubs for each school, you can run 15 full sets of tutorials for each empire.

Sheila Sarani
Posted - 2011.07.24 15:24:00 - [24]
 

Here is solution to your issue OP:
-run full tutorials to amarr and caldari
-run level 1 epic arc from sister arula (not sure i spelled correctly) and chose at the end caldari commander
-get diplomacy to level 5
-you should be at positive or close enough standing now
-get all your crap moved by either corp mate with freighter or red frog services
-buy all you gallente crap in caldari system named jita
-have fun and never go back to gallente spaceRazz

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.24 19:14:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction
Inaccurate.
Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).

Technically that means it IS accurate, I have negative standings because I was running standard missions, which because of my faction, those missions naturally caused me to lose standings.

The point I was trying to make is that your character's "birth" faction has no relevance to the faction you wish to boost standings with by running missions with them.
You can be a Minmatar character who only ever runs Amarr missions, for instance (or a Gallente character that only runs Caldari missions).

Suki Vamayis
Posted - 2011.07.24 21:44:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Suki Vamayis on 24/07/2011 21:47:54
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Suki Vamayis
My current character has a negative standing with Caldari because of my current faction
Inaccurate.
Your current character has a negative standing with Caldari because you have run a lot of Gallente missions (some of which had you shoot Caldari ships) and also ran some Gallente storylines (which grant a negative derived standing with Caldari, among other things).

Technically that means it IS accurate, I have negative standings because I was running standard missions, which because of my faction, those missions naturally caused me to lose standings.

The point I was trying to make is that your character's "birth" faction has no relevance to the faction you wish to boost standings with by running missions with them.
You can be a Minmatar character who only ever runs Amarr missions, for instance (or a Gallente character that only runs Caldari missions).

Yeah, I got it. Thanks for the information, it's been a great help.

However, if you go to Caldari space and try to buy a Gallente ship, you will find a small supply and high prices which correlates to my statement. You really do not have basis to berate me. I really don't appreciate the demeaning comments that clearly lack thought or make even grander assumptions than my own.

I had decided to take a clear and simple route to get a question answered which could not be explored through the normal circumstances of the game. I had already illustrated that the questions were for future reference and I was not able to test it firsthand. If you decide to criticize me at least make it constructive so that I can learn from my mistakes and at least start them on a reasonable basis. I mean, how can you expect me to know how petitions or races work when they are hardly explained and you really don't get any experience until your first character.

Thanks again everybody, the information is very useful.

Originally by: Sheila Sarani
Here is solution to your issue OP:
-run full tutorials to amarr and caldari
-run level 1 epic arc from sister arula (not sure i spelled correctly) and chose at the end caldari commander
-get diplomacy to level 5
-you should be at positive or close enough standing now
-get all your crap moved by either corp mate with freighter or red frog services
-buy all you gallente crap in caldari system named jita
-have fun and never go back to gallente spaceRazz


I like this.

Hockston Axe
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.24 22:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
However, if you go to Caldari space and try to buy a Gallente ship, you will find a small supply and high prices


Did you try Jita (Forge)? There are probably more Gallente ships for sale in Jita than in all of Gallente space combined. Or are you looking at Lonetrek or The Citadel and comparing them to Dodixie? The market range is limited to region, there are multiple regions in each faction’s space, with generally one market hub for each Empire.

Jita – Caldari
Amarr – Amarr
Rens – Minnie
Dodixie – Gallente

Try checking the regions those systems are in, you’ll find pretty much everything you need.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.24 22:34:00 - [28]
 

lol

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.24 22:46:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 24/07/2011 22:59:23

Originally by: Suki Vamayis
Originally by: Akita T
The point I was trying to make is that your character's "birth" faction has no relevance to the faction you wish to boost standings with by running missions with them.
You can be a Minmatar character who only ever runs Amarr missions, for instance (or a Gallente character that only runs Caldari missions).

Yeah, I got it. Thanks for the information, it's been a great help.

You're welcome.

Quote:
However, if you go to Caldari space and try to buy a Gallente ship, you will find a small supply and high prices which correlates to my statement.

Well, other than droneboats (Vexor, Ishtar, Dominix), Gallente ships are not exactly all that great for mission-running. And these days, they're not all that decent for PvP either.

Like several others, I highly suggest visiting Jita.
It is by far the largest trade hub in the entire game, and has rock-bottom prices for almost everything, with tiny differences between the many buy and sell orders.
You can probably find more Gallente ships for sale there than in some entire Gallente regions AND you will probably notice they're also cheaper.
Edit : it's also near the intersection of several regions, so you can get there quite fast from a large portion of Caldari controlled space.

Quote:
You really do not have basis to berate me. I really don't appreciate the demeaning comments that clearly lack thought or make even grander assumptions than my own.

When directed at a genuine new player, the "berating" remarks in here are completely unwarranted.
In fact, if you feel sufficiently offended by them, you can report the post in question and a mod will probably apply the appropriate punishment.
Edit : what do you know, it already happened Wink

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 22:52:00 - [30]
 

To be fair to the 'flamers' the OP certainly sounds like a troll to me. I guess it's possible he's not, but if you read what he's saying it makes no sense.

tl;dr I am jumping 20 jumps to play with my friends and 20 jumps back every day and I want my SP reallocated so I don't have to do that anymore.

Wut?


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