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CaptainFalcon07
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:09:00 - [1]
 

Are there any actual aliens in the eve lore? I've search and I've found nothing. The talocan and yan jung are descendants of humans so they aren't aliens.

It would be cool if there were actual aliens in eve. Invading solar systems and galaxies, destroying everything on sight to convert into dark matter as a energy and building matter. With stations, planets, and even suns being disintegrated. Throwing the entire universe into panic with trillions of people disappearing and systems being lost by the minute.


ButteSauce
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:16:00 - [2]
 

capsuleers are the aliens

CaptainFalcon07
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:19:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: ButteSauce
capsuleers are the aliens


In aliens I mean non-human. Nothing that came from earth.

Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:35:00 - [4]
 

There are a number of alien species mentioned, 'Slaver Hounds' is one mentioned in particular. So there is non-human life in the EVE world, just not sentient as far as we are aware.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.22 07:18:00 - [5]
 

Rogue Drones are a form of sentient life.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.07.22 07:42:00 - [6]
 

fedo one of the earliest chronicles... They don't build empires though.

Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.07.22 08:09:00 - [7]
 

Sleepers?

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.22 08:46:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/07/2011 08:48:07
Originally by: Sealiah
Sleepers?

The Sleepers themselves are/were a human civilization and had apparently close contact with the Talocan, one of the other old civilizations (the 4 "old" civilizations are Sleeper, Talocan, Takmahl, Yan Jung though some of them are significantly older/younger than others, do all races' COSMOS missions if you are interested in them).

What happened to the sleepers is up to anyone's guess - it seems they were hit with some kind of plague and did go into some kind of stasis (probably even abandoning their bodies and "uploading" themselves into digital form).

What you encounter today are "sleeper drones" that guard the sleeper/talocan structures in w-space - they are just AIs (as evidenced by their loot drops: Sleeper Drone AI Nexus, Neural Network Analyzer, ...).

Even the Enheduanni (which most people concerned about lore would rather forget about Razz) were human at some point in the past and can as such not be counted as aliens.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.22 08:47:00 - [9]
 

No aliens, but assuming that the Eve gate didn't appear on its own there may have been some a long time ago.

Originally by: Guru of modern life
"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination."

Add time difference and the Eve cluster could have had several civilizations prosper and die before we locusts arrived.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.22 08:53:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/07/2011 09:23:09
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Guru of modern life
"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds."



Quote:
"It is known that there are an infinite number of natural numbers, simply because you can always continue counting. However, not every one of them is odd. Therefore, there must be a finite number of odd natural numbers."

pointing out this fallacy (and ignoring the other ones) because most humans tend to be bad at infinity Wink and high-school-level maths education doesn't do anything to correct that (at least in my experience).

yes, there are different "sizes" of infinity - no, the set of natural numbers and the set of odd natural numbers have the same cardinality (as does the set of rational numbers besides there being "infinity" rational number between 0 and 1).
This cardinality is called "countably infinite" or ℵ_0 (aleph 0) because it means there exists a bijection between a set of cardinality ℵ_0 and the natural numbers (with which you count).
There is a rule that assigns exactly one odd natural number to each natural number and exactly one one natural number to each odd natural number. A one-to-one mapping between both sets (and for finite sets if there exists a one-to-one mapping between two sets - e.g. between the fingers of your right and left hand - we say they have the same size).

There are many cardinalities that are "uncountably infinite", e.g. the set of real numbers is "larger" than the set of rational numbers/natural numbers. If you like to think that the cardinality of the real numbers is the smallest cardinality that is larger, then ℵ_0 you happen to believe in the continuum hypothesis and nobody can prove you wrong (within ZFC).

/end rant

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

Quote:
"It is known that there are an infinite number of natural numbers, simply because you can always continue counting. However, not every one of them is odd. Therefore, there must be a finite number of odd natural numbers."



That's nothing, there are an infinite number of decimal numbers between each integer.
There are an infinite number of integers.
So there must be an infinite * infinite number of decimal numbers.

But mathematicians already figured that out ages ago.

An infinite set that is a subset of the natural number is called Countably Infinite

One that is not, such as the set of real numbers is called Uncountably Infinite


So if space were infinite( which by the way many scientist think is not the case), there would be an lower order of infinite number of planets, with a lower order of infinite number of alien races.

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:10:00 - [12]
 

The fact that non-human civilization isn't encountered in EVE is what makes it so interesting for me. It seems very unconventional to make a science fiction universe completely human centric. On another note, I think the fact human civilization in New Eden has yet to encounter a non-human civilization speaks volumes for the immense vastness of space.

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Guru of modern life
"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination."



Oh god is this some sort of discovery channel zen talk?

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:25:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/07/2011 09:43:10
Originally by: Culmen
So if space were infinite, there would be an lower order of infinite number of planets, with a lower order of infinite number of alien races.

updated my post with some links

without further argument/qualifications I have a hard time believing the assertion I quoted. Just because there are "more" does not imply the "order of infinite" (cardinality) is higher, even if there are "infinitely" more.

The question is whether you could establish a one-to-one mapping between inhabited planets and planets in general.

Planets are nice discrete objects with plenty of space between them.

It shouldn't be too hard counting all planets if you start from some arbitrary point in your infinite universe and expand your counting in (finite) spheres. First I make a sphere with diameter A and count the finite number of planets within, than I expand the diameter to A+1 and count all planets in between the two spheres, ...

So (if this approach works which I am too lazy to think about in detail) the cardinality of the set of all planets would be countably infinite which is the smallest "infinite" you can get and the cardinality of the (per assumption infinite) subset of inhabited planets could be no smaller or larger than that.

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/07/2011 09:26:10
Originally by: Culmen
So if space were infinite( which by the way many scientist think is not the case), there would be an lower order of infinite number of planets, with a lower order of infinite number of alien races.

updated my post with some links

and no, that's not necessarily right.


yeah I was operating on a purely probabalistic approach, IE %chance of a planet, plug in drake equation.
It is possible that there are a finite number of planets in infinite space.
Just continuing the logic.

Hector Aldent
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:42:00 - [16]
 

Never even thought about Non-Human life in EVE. Even though the space explored in EVE is a small bubble of the universe there might be Alien life elsewhere.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:51:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CaptainFalcon07
Are there any actual aliens in the eve lore? I've search and I've found nothing. The talocan and yan jung are descendants of humans so they aren't aliens.

It would be cool if there were actual aliens in eve. Invading solar systems and galaxies, destroying everything on sight to convert into dark matter as a energy and building matter. With stations, planets, and even suns being disintegrated. Throwing the entire universe into panic with trillions of people disappearing and systems being lost by the minute.




No, it would not be cool as it would would distract from the main story which is about humans ans practical immortal humans do to each other. In every other Sci-Fi Movie and game we get the almost-human, the cute-aliens or the bugs presented. None of them are really alien and what you propose is one of the oldest, most overused sci-fi cliches.

I am very happy that you are not there to write the storyline of EVE and hope that CCP will never pick up your idea.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Vrabac
Oh god is this some sort of discovery channel zen talk?

If you don't recognize Douglas Adams quotes then you fail at being alive/human .. just sayin' Very Happy

Hoya en Marland
Posted - 2011.07.22 11:07:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 22/07/2011 11:08:12

Confirming that having "real", scary, uber powerful alien species in EVE, like... say, those decribed in Xeelee Sequence would be super cool.

Himnos Altar
Gallente
Daisy Cutter's
Posted - 2011.07.22 11:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CaptainFalcon07
Are there any actual aliens in the eve lore? I've search and I've found nothing. The talocan and yan jung are descendants of humans so they aren't aliens.

It would be cool if there were actual aliens in eve. Invading solar systems and galaxies, destroying everything on sight to convert into dark matter as a energy and building matter. With stations, planets, and even suns being disintegrated. Throwing the entire universe into panic with trillions of people disappearing and systems being lost by the minute.





Fun fact--there are nopn-human aliens. On the far side of the universe.

so far away it would take them 5k billion years to reach the EVE Cluster.

They have already wiped out the Earth, and all of the human civilization that lived in that particular star cluster. They don't particularly care for the way we squish so readily, so they don't care very much to see any of us again.

ergo, we are safe from the evil aliens 5k billion years away.

fun fact.


Also--love the Hitchiker's-verse quote.


 

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