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EadTaes
Minmatar
d o o m
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:19:00 - [1]
 

Well pass all the shiny videos of a DREAD bombarding a planet and having a planet side gun kill a DREAD in orbit, how exactly does CCP intent for that to actually happen for real in eve.

I mean I have PI colonies in lowsec 0.1-0.2 and I do tend to them as diligently as I can and it seems that a full chain from extraction to tier 4 product only brings in 40-50 mil on a good week. It's nice pocket money on the side but only represents a fraction of my income, maybe I am doing it wrong? What are other people pulling from income from PI?

So from what I can personally see if my colonies were ever attacked I would invest no more then 30-40 mil and then say **** it to much hassle. I certainly wouldn't put my 1.5Bil DREAD in harms way for that for sure.

And I think the reason why the income from PI is so low VS the expenses your promo videos shows is because PI products are simply to bottle necked. It all goes to components for the new sovereignty moduals with a few outlets into POS fuel, when POSes are fewer in number snow since they are not sovereignty claimers anymore and a few tech 2 components that never were really all that much pricy. I think this needs to be expanded if you ever want those battles to happen. For now I only see if happening where DUST player grin "NPC missions" to make money and then fight "ProBono" for the colonies of their space fearing corp mates....... Doesn't sound like something I would get into.

So would be nice to know what otehr players think and also heard from CCP as well.

Otebski
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:37:00 - [2]
 

You must be doing something wrong.
I bet chaining it all to p4 is your problem. You can get double that easily just doing p2 with less hassle.

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:46:00 - [3]
 

Planets will tie into sovereignty when Dust comes out. That is why.

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:57:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Albetta
Planets will tie into sovereignty when Dust comes out. That is why.


Essentially this ^

Basically, you'll be risking your Dread to save your system from being conquered. PI probably won't change at all after DUST, a new sov building system will be added on top, those are what Dusties will fight over as part of the alliances conquering other systems.

Sorry to say that I believe this will be a 0.0 only thing.

EadTaes
Minmatar
d o o m
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:38:00 - [5]
 

Thank you for the info I must have missed the part about it getting tied to sovereignty. I think it's mostly gonna be a 0.0 thing. Wonder if it will affect Faction warfare.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:48:00 - [6]
 

Imagine if you could own planets and make money by taxing people who used your planets? Suddenly; dust isn't about controlling individual players PI; It's about making money off the people who use your planets.


Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:54:00 - [7]
 

I have no faith that a company that can make 1 room in 6 months will pull this off without some serious epic fail

wrap it
Posted - 2011.07.21 17:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Trainwreck McGee
I have no faith that a company that can make 1 room in 6 months will pull this off without some serious epic fail


QFT

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2011.07.21 19:05:00 - [9]
 

To be fair, I believe all that time was mostly spent making the engine rather than the art assets themselves.

Also, since a lot of people on these forums are whining that there isn't enough devs working on EvE, well, the DUST team obviously will have a big part in "Pulling this off" since we are talking about the Dust/Eve link. This is just as much Eve as it is Dust.

Oh and, if they pulled off an apocrypha before, they can pull it off again. I think it's preferable to stay on the optimistic side for sanity's sake.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.21 20:11:00 - [10]
 

So basically empire PI is safe compared to nullsec PI.

Most DUST players will be biased towards nullsec?

What about Wsec?

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.07.21 20:14:00 - [11]
 

I think in the fanfest vids CCP said dust would only be null sec, no low, high or W.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.21 20:16:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 21/07/2011 20:28:07
Originally by: Vincent Athena
I think in the fanfest vids CCP said dust would only be null sec, no low, high or W.


So PI lovers will be flooding to empire and W.

So if PI is SOV, that means PI is mandatory for nullsec corps to hold their systems.

SO, I expect a lot of systems to suddently lose SOV then :)

PI spam for SOV gainage?

What if one keeps tearing down teh PI and rebuilding it, that will screw up DUST wont it?


Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:05:00 - [13]
 

I've been posting, on at least 3 EVE forums, since PI was announced that PI should determine SOV. It was clearly the best use of Planets since Day One. Though my account will expire in a week or two (can't be arsed to figure the exact day out or even log in to change skills), if CCP pulls it off even decently - I'll probably resub to give it a go.


Thalis Malu
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:16:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
I think in the fanfest vids CCP said dust would only be null sec, no low, high or W.


Incorrect.

The major Dust elements will be in nullsec, however hi and low still get Dust-bunnies prancing around. If I recall correctly low and hi bunnies will be mainly your "insta-matches" that will be open at all times. Low Sec bunnies will be mainly FW planets where the hisec ones will probably only ever released for events like the Sansha.

I can't imagine systems in hisec needing mercs blowing things up all the time.

They never really said how hi and low bunnies would affect capsuleers.

Fullmetal Jackass
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:38:00 - [15]
 

I'm hoping dust doesn't have much impact on Eve, considering CCP's entire business model for the game has shifted to micro transactions.

REiiGN15
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.22 02:36:00 - [16]
 

I read somewhere that Dustbunnies can essentially carebear too with NPC corps. However, I think ppl are going to be waay more into PvP on that than anything despite any ramifications or consequences. Planetside 2 and Dust514 are going to sell each other. Two different companies but Dust going to PS3 is most likely because they knew of Planetside 2 coming. People will want a part of this action, no matter the platform and if you truly think that Dust will bomb you are in for a letdown. And if you love letdowns, then wait for the Winter release on EVE.

IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.22 02:59:00 - [17]
 

I'm hoping Dust 514 will be exactly like Planetside, so much that there are lawsuits over it. I think the two games are highly compatible.

Also, coming from Planetside and being there for the rise, peak, and fall of that game, I can say that it's the only game which truly matches the size and scope of something like Eve Online, but in a FPS style.

The console deployment of Dust 514 was a dissapointment to me from the get go, but not because I couldn't play it on my PC. It was because I knew instantly then, that there would be significant mapsize and population restrictions; which is not expansive, or sandboxy, or even new for that matter.

So I really really really really hope CCP is going to surprise the **** out of us, and we'll all have to eat our words.

ButteSauce
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:15:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Imagine if you could own planets and make money by taxing people who used your planets? Suddenly; dust isn't about controlling individual players PI; It's about making money off the people who use your planets.




This idea is pretty awesome. Whoever has sov in the system gets the export money. It would also make PI a source of income for alliance. They could charge their members or renters to use the planets or even have a tariff of a certain percentage of goods exported.

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.22 05:46:00 - [19]
 

From what I've heard/read most of EVE economy based mechanics are messed up and not as productive as they should be, worth as much as they should be on the market, being RMT/botted to death in null and/or ruined by CCP's own mechanics being nerfed.


All this will be moot when the MT thing kicks in. DUST will already have it and EVE, due to lack of a concise answer from CCP, will get it as things progress. The more old bitter vets that quit, the sooner I fear CCP will implement MT into EVE completely.

The in-game economy won't matter beyond a mere plaything just like mining is now.

Planets will figure into sov? That's nice but still dodges the economy. I thought DUST was supposed to deal with PI. No need for present PI mechanics where sov is concerned. Guess they changed that too? Just plop a marker down now I guess?

Til then, buy a monocle and enjoy the new economy!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.22 06:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Trainwreck McGee
I have no faith that a company that can make 1 room in 6 months will pull this off without some serious epic fail


6 months? I think you mean 4 years.


 

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