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Varn Guvera
Minmatar
TH3 UnT0uChaBl3S
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.07.21 01:55:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Varn Guvera on 21/07/2011 01:58:35
i know there are a ton of variables (skills setup ect.) but here is what im looking for in a T3

great tank
decent DPS
speed

im looking for a T3 for fleet pvp and gate camping im looking to setup for buffer/spider tank

i fly the loki currently but it seems to lack dps and tank i could just be setting it up wrong though

from what i hear the legion is where its at for its combined tank/dps/speed

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.21 03:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: chatgris on 21/07/2011 03:03:00
hands down, tengu. It's got speed, and importantly damage projection (so if you speed off 70km, you can still apply dps to the primary).

Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:01:00 - [3]
 

Tengu!
The Tengu has it all, tank, damage projection, agility, speed, dps, and it looks hot. But gate camping may be different, like everything in Eve what's best is completely situational. I don't gate camp very often.

Proteus is win for armor gangs and quick ganks, but it doesn't have the speed your looking for.

I personally think the loki and legion are garbage for proper pvp, simply because there are cheaper ships that can do what they can do, better in some cases.


Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:06:00 - [4]
 

Yeah, obviously there is alot of other ships that can web to 35k+ while having 500dps and 200k+ ehp with small sig and great resists.

NoLimit Soldier
Posted - 2011.07.21 16:37:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Tengu!

I personally think the loki and legion are garbage for proper pvp, simply because there are cheaper ships that can do what they can do, better in some cases.




Hey now you can run the Brick HAM 100mn Legion and its pretty gangsta.

Discordance Axis
Initium Malum
Posted - 2011.07.21 23:50:00 - [6]
 

If your FC knows how to use them, all T3 ships will be of great use. Personally I don't see why you would need to get out of that loki with its great web bonuses (assuming you fit dual fed navy webs)

lag kills
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
Posted - 2011.07.22 01:31:00 - [7]
 

in low sec, armor loki and proteus are the better gang ships, especially on gates, because they have something useful to offer other than big tank and battlecruiser dps. there's almost no reason to use the recons they take their bonuses from anymore.

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.07.22 04:03:00 - [8]
 

Tengu - obviously.
HAM Legion - because what a sexy fit, right?
Massive Tanked Proteus - can jump into a camp, kill something, tank the whole fleet, de-aggress and jump out.

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2011.07.22 05:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: lag kills
in low sec, armor loki and proteus are the better gang ships, especially on gates, because they have something useful to offer other than big tank and battlecruiser dps. there's almost no reason to use the recons they take their bonuses from anymore.


That's just golden...

"No reason?" What if you need damps? A Proteus can't do that.

Or what if you want a long range, nanoship catcher which doesn't cost upwards of 400mil? With more range? A Loki can't do that, either.

Nexxala was right; while the Loki/Legion are good in theory, they're worthless in reality. Proteuses have some hope due to having epic tank + spank, and if blasters ever get buffed, will be truly awesome. Tengus are good as it is thanks to a very nice tanking ability and awesome versatility with the potential to fit a 100MN AB.


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.22 07:24:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 22/07/2011 07:23:54
Originally by: Roosterton
That's just golden...

I think he is referring to the omni-present gangboosters that make 1v1 such joy for people who don't "cheat".

Tengu is heads and shoulders above the others for general pew, for some engagements you might be better of another one but kind of a niche as the missile spammer does fine in those as well.

Can't wait for heavies to get the range nerf *cue raging speculation*

lag kills
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
Posted - 2011.07.22 09:34:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: lag kills on 22/07/2011 09:41:38
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: lag kills
in low sec, armor loki and proteus are the better gang ships, especially on gates, because they have something useful to offer other than big tank and battlecruiser dps. there's almost no reason to use the recons they take their bonuses from anymore.



Nexxala was right; while the Loki/Legion are good in theory, they're worthless in reality.



now that is golden.

i can't remember the last time we needed damps or needed more than 40+km webs. they're very rare cases. hence almost never. they're very specialized ships and only good for their bonus, whereas the T3s get bonuses that are good enough and provide the dps and tank you'd need to get from bringing another ship.

come up with all the perfect hypothetical situations you want. in reality, unless there's prior intel and we know we need the more specialized bonuses of the gallente/mini recon to take down a specific target, anyone that can fly one would rather be in a T3 when going for a roam, except when someone wants to be a jammer because the tengu is garbage for that.

learn to make money in this game so you don't fret over chump change like 400mil.

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.07.22 10:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
Nexxala was right; while the Loki/Legion are good in theory, they're worthless in reality.


No, in reality your and his opinion are worthless while loki is very good ship thanks to its ewar bonus, decent dps and epic ehp and resists. Same with proteus.


Name Family Name
Posted - 2011.07.22 11:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jude Lloyd

HAM Legion - because what a sexy fit, right?



Take a HAM Tengu instead - there goes your sexy fit...

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.07.23 18:39:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 23/07/2011 18:40:41
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
No, in reality your and his opinion are worthless while loki is very good ship thanks to its ewar bonus, decent dps and epic ehp and resists. Same with proteus.


You don't get all that at once. Specifically the DPS part; the epic ehp/resist, double or triple web Lokis have pretty poor applied DPS (lower than a shield Huginn). Not that it invalidates your point in any way; the Loki certainly is very strong as a contender for best T3 and I really can't decide between it and the Tengu for top honors.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.24 01:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Princess Nexxala


I personally think the loki and legion are garbage for proper pvp, simply because there are cheaper ships that can do what they can do, better in some cases.




However, for gang bonuses and heavy tackle, they are hands down the best there is.

Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:02:00 - [16]
 

Oh absolutely they all have their niche fits, particularity the Loki. I suppose I should of clearly stated my opinion was from a small gang (<5) / solo perspective. 1 v 1 a tengu will defeat 90% of loki/prot/legion fits.


Originally by: Aiwha

However, for gang bonuses and heavy tackle, they are hands down the best there is.





s0lar pulse
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:31:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: s0lar pulse on 27/07/2011 00:06:03
While the Loki is alot better than most pilot believe. It's not the armor-Loki, which is the best for solo pvp.

You're able to setup a loki, that mirrors the preformance of the Tengu. Minus damage projection or atleast not optimal damage @ range.

The setup has 3 missiles lauchers and 3 projectiles, plus drones. I personaly flew the dual prop-Loki and the dual prop-tengu solo. The Loki has an advantage in terms of high velocity and range control.

Also, the Proteus with drone subsystems is alot better than the Legion or Loki close range solo-active tank or buffer/repper.

I find the Proteus, Tengu and Loki are best solo and the Legion and tengu are alot better in fleets. In terms of damage projection, while maintaining alot of damage (Hml, Pulse lasers or beams).


However its hard for me to say i would choose the Loki over the Tengu solo. They're about the same imho, while the Proteus for sure over all others close range in your face pvp.

-proyyyyy

dream3874
Posted - 2011.07.29 17:02:00 - [18]
 

They all have their benefits. Laser Legion fast locking time good range with scortch and abso dps. Not so much for solo but excellent in t3 armor gangs. Ham Leegion good dps massive tank excellent for solo or small gangs. Proteus best cloaky choose you target ganker. Ham Tengu(Buffer) good speed and dps. Armor Loki nice to dictate range with dual fed navy webs. I could go on and on but in my opinion all T3's can be fit for your liking. However As of now im in a love triangle with the Laser Legion and Ham Tengu. Ohh and another good thing about the hamgu is its reasonably priced approx 500mil.

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.07.29 18:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Roosterton

That's just golden...

"No reason?" What if you need damps? A Proteus can't do that.



If you need damps, you fit them on Drakes and not on the gallente recons.

Gibbo5771
Posted - 2011.08.04 11:24:00 - [20]
 

Oversized AB HAM legion is good, its better than the tengu for 1 reason..it brawls with a scram/web meaning targets cant speed away like they could against a tengu.

Trixie Smithers
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:57:00 - [21]
 

Using a Loki in PvP is like driving a Rolls Royce in a demolition derby. You can do it, but good lord WHY.


 

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