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S Byerley
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:03:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Miilla


Not always, I write algorithms yet I am not a mathmatician lol



While I'm sure you write fantastic php for your webpages, we're not talking about the same thing.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:04:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: S Byerley
Originally by: Miilla


Not always, I write algorithms yet I am not a mathmatician lol



While I'm sure you write fantastic php for your webpages, we're not talking about the same thing.



Never touched web page code in my life lol

Wedding Peach
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:07:00 - [63]
 

My college had a terrible Computer Science department.

Heck, one of my classes was pretty much sabotaged by the teacher to the point that 1/6th of the class actually passed. 1/2 dropped out and only one student got an A in it (He said that he spent 40 hours a week on the work from just this class).

Sadly, that professor had tenure.

S Byerley
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:10:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Wedding Peach
My college had a terrible Computer Science department.

Heck, one of my classes was pretty much sabotaged by the teacher to the point that 1/6th of the class actually passed. 1/2 dropped out and only one student got an A in it (He said that he spent 40 hours a week on the work from just this class).

Sadly, that professor had tenure.


This is what college used to be and will hopefully be in the future once we realize that, as a society, we really don't need to be giving frat ****s free license to party for four years and walk away with a business degree.

Monstress
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:11:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Monstress on 19/07/2011 23:12:24
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


CCP couldn't possibly pay me enough. I'm actually astounded that developers work for CCP given the incredibly below-average salary.

Seriously, you could take an entry level position in some crappy California web development shop for more.

S Byerley
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:14:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Monstress
Edited by: Monstress on 19/07/2011 23:12:24
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


CCP couldn't possibly pay me enough. I'm actually astounded that developers work for CCP given the incredibly below-average salary.

Seriously, you could take an entry level position in some crappy California web development shop for more.


My understanding is that salaries in Iceland don't really work the same way.

Ingkala
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:40:00 - [67]
 

Bachelor, pfff... Try a master degree.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.07.19 23:55:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: daddys helper on 19/07/2011 23:57:08
Edited by: daddys helper on 19/07/2011 23:56:50
Originally by: S Byerley
Originally by: Monstress
Edited by: Monstress on 19/07/2011 23:12:24
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


CCP couldn't possibly pay me enough. I'm actually astounded that developers work for CCP given the incredibly below-average salary.

Seriously, you could take an entry level position in some crappy California web development shop for more.


My understanding is that salaries in Iceland don't really work the same way.


perhaps not, however the costs of maintaining a 600 gallon sal****er fishtank do pretty much work the same way there and here Rolling Eyes


REALLY??? YOU CAN'T SAY SALT/WATER ON THESE STUPID F****N FORUMS?

Mya ElleTerego
Amarr
The Hull Miners Union
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:08:00 - [69]
 

I signed up for electronixs engineering at school, thinking it would be easy. Writing in machine code and assembly for eeprom programming is literally brain sodomy. I passed all the classes but quickly found that it wasn't my calling. Also eve sucks, you guys are just riding a dead horse around an ever shrinking corral

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:09:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Mya ElleTerego
I signed up for electronixs engineering at school, thinking it would be easy. Writing in machine code and assembly for eeprom programming is literally brain sodomy. I passed all the classes but quickly found that it wasn't my calling. Also eve sucks, you guys are just riding a dead horse around an ever shrinking corral



People use VHDL nowdays on FPGA's :)

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:16:00 - [71]
 

ruby checking in

and while you may laugh now cause i'm not using your favorite pain-in-the-as.s language, i can't hear you cause i already finished the program and playing eve...

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:32:00 - [72]
 

It doesn't take a mechanical engineer to know when an engine isn't working correctly. But it DOES take a mechanical engineer to appreciate the difficulties in creating an engine that doesn't break.

Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:32:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Monstress
Edited by: Monstress on 19/07/2011 23:12:24
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


CCP couldn't possibly pay me enough. I'm actually astounded that developers work for CCP given the incredibly below-average salary.

Seriously, you could take an entry level position in some crappy California web development shop for more.


I am pretty sure that the cost of life in Iceland is much lower than California, so their salary there may let them more money to spend than in California.

Morganta
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:36:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Zag'mar Jurkar
Originally by: Monstress
Edited by: Monstress on 19/07/2011 23:12:24
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Now that we have acquired so many experts. Why don't some of you apply for a job with CCP! If you can do better I think everyone here will appreciate it :D


CCP couldn't possibly pay me enough. I'm actually astounded that developers work for CCP given the incredibly below-average salary.

Seriously, you could take an entry level position in some crappy California web development shop for more.


I am pretty sure that the cost of life in Iceland is much lower than California, so their salary there may let them more money to spend than in California.


ignore California, its fiscally like the one out of five dentists who doesn't think brushing is important.

Brenya Perircle
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:38:00 - [75]
 

10/10.

One day I hope to troll as effectively as you. LOL @ all the sods who fell for it in the posts previous to mine. Your gullibility fuels my starship.

Ira Theos
Posted - 2011.07.20 01:22:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Akita T
You can't whine about the economy unless you're an economist.
You can't whine about food quality unless you're a farmer.
You can't whine about politics unless you're a politician.
Oh, wait...


****************

ZING !

Is Akita not a god ??? Are you not amused ??!!

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:19:00 - [77]
 

CONFIRMED:

To comment and state an opinion on a web forum relating to the topic of what the forums were designed for is not allowed unless you have a degree in said field.



Hey, I have a degree in graphic design. By extension that qualifies me to know what sells due to good design or is not a good sell based on bad design.

CCP's ability to code is not in question. It is a question of their ability to code a feature they have chosen to introduce into the game so as to have it function as intended.

They are subpar. If they can't code properly then they should not introduce a feature into the game.

Therefore, it makes the product bad, look bad and/or ruin the player experience.

CCPs problem is ultimately with their PR department. So when you get a degree in public relations get back to us.

Albert Doyle
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.07.20 02:50:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Morganta
ignore California, its fiscally like the one out of five dentists who doesn't think brushing is important.


Ex-california resident agrees with this statement.

Whiny McEmokid
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:19:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
If you can't code....


...apply to CCP. amirite?

CptConorado
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:23:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Crasniya
....you can't talk.
BECAUSE OF DOOR.



KNOCK KNOCK...




WHOS THERE?

Darcaryn Davdak
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:26:00 - [81]
 

Confirmed troll.

Nobody would actually admit to having a degree from DeVry in anything related to computers. Furthermore, nobody would ever admit to that as somehow being exceptional.

On topic however...it's time CCP outsourced the optimization of CQ. Their crack squad of amateur weekend "coders" is clearly not enough.

Time to admit defeat CCP. Use the trusty old "wallet tool" and get some people who actually know WTF they are doing, and don't code to blow out an average guys GPU.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:31:00 - [82]
 

I'm sorry but as a user, since I can't see the code, why should I know **** about it?

Personally, my coding experience is limited to C++ and SQL, with a little dabbling in Python for game modding (not EVE Laughing).

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.20 04:34:00 - [83]
 


Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.20 05:02:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Crasniya
....you can't talk.

I've gotten pretty fed up with people in various forum posts who think they have the right to whine and moan about CCP's game design, game programming, code optimization work, etc. etc. etc. from people who obviously have no grasp of what it takes to code a game of Solitaire, much less an MMO.

Get a Bachelor's of Science in Game and Simulation Programming (That's what DeVry calls it anyways, sure other colleges have similar degrees under different names), and if you STILL have complaints... then whine and moan.


Stupid troll post detected. Unless you're a producer or actor, you can't whine about bad movie; unless you're a politician you can't whine about politics, unless you're an engineer you can't whine about any electronic product you purchase...

Next time turn your brain on before posting...

Cornullus Rage
Posted - 2011.07.20 06:51:00 - [85]
 

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Yes I just went old school on you!


Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.20 07:06:00 - [86]
 

There is a lot of horrible looking art that took a lot of skill to make. There is also a lot of amazing art that took no skill to make.

The more you know.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.07.20 07:21:00 - [87]
 

I have a Bachelor is ancient and modern history, a masters in modern history and a master in International and Comparable politics, all of them heavily focucsed on conflict and conflictresolvment (militairy history included) I also studied programming for two years the net result was me being able to program a clock in java.

So you can go ahead and claim the right to complain on CCP's programming, by that right I'll go and RUN THE WORLD. Or we can all just complain when something is wrong and see that the right persons provide input on how to implement change.

edith prickley
Posted - 2011.07.20 08:19:00 - [88]
 

I'm not sure what the OP is complaining about specifically, but you don't need a degree in programming to understand that if you want to sell a product, you have to deliver that product. Regardless of the clever under-the-hood work going on at CCP, they're not working on an academic exercise.

I have no doubt they are talented and working hard, and have done lots of low-level stuff nobody notices. But there's a tricky balance between careful design and over-thinking things to the point that nothing practical gets done. My amateur evaluation is that CCP is very much in the latter category.

I'm not a programmer by trade, but how much time would you expect to develop working forum software -- is months of usability testing and a high-profile recall really necessary?
How much work needed to go into a single room environment that they released as a major expansion? There are many examples of CCP under-performing in terms of delivering/finishing their product.

In the end, with all of their careful back-end work, CCP's single room expansion seems to have been more problematic than when Blizzard rebuilt an entire continent. Some companies pick priorities right and get the job done, others don't.

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2011.07.20 09:28:00 - [89]
 

So I may have missed something along the way (always happens) but isn't the responsibility of hiring the dev down the the Tech Director or similar? So why would s/he hire someone that is not competent in their area?


Taking that point to its natural progression, the dev is just the implementer, effectively he gets told what to do, it is the various levels of middle management that turn the vision of the concept in some sort of reality. If that concept is there and not being attained, then is it the devs fault?


Lets give that to an example. As a plane building company, you have designers, architects and people involved in providing a product that will fill a need. You need engineers, electricians and all manner of specialists to put it together properly and strangely enough, a different set of specialists to fly and crew it.

If the plane don't fly - what could be the reason? The body of people that is LEAST responsible are the people that put the plane together.

Relating that back to the area in question, the coder is the person that turns the concept into something tangible (the engineers in my example)they are given a task to complete, have the knowledge and expertise required and we now enjoy the result.

We should not be concentrating on the Devs ability to code, but the designers concept. That dept put forward the requirements for the number or guns, damage done etc., - that is the item that is flawed and we kick up a fuss about.

And the human race NEVER gets it right the first time...EVERYTHING is a work in progress. evolution exists on all levels. But we want it right here and now.

There - that's better, Rant over ...

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.07.20 09:31:00 - [90]
 

one more whiner's threead born. good job guys Very Happy


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