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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:06:00 - [1]
 

Dear CCP. Please understand that I write this not out of anger or hate or sexual frustration, but out of love and concern for EVE and your souls.

Some of the things I mention have been addressed by CCP in some form, but another friendly reminder here won't hurt.

1. Stop treating EVE like a decade long beta test.

Please stop releasing unfinished content. Please also stop abandoning content.

One of the biggest examples of both of these is Faction War. CCP contacted my alliance before FW was introduced. We went over many ideas and the whole concept seemed very promising, except only about 15% of what was discussed was ever implemented, leaving FW a suboptimal shell of a game environment.

2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.

Even if you somehow sell a few monicles, it isn't worth the stigma attached to microtransactions.

3. Lag.

Faulty, bugged, lag generating code that gets petitioned thousands of times yet remains unfixed for 5+ years is unacceptable.

Yes, I've heard that if 5000 man battles are made playable, we'll bring 10,000. Well, if you don't want us to, then maybe you should rethink this single server sandbox, then perhaps boost small gang roaming mechanics.

Just think if you woulda put all the man-hours developing Captains Quarters instead into eliminating lag.

4. Hang all botters.

Botting is one of the worst things for a game's reputation. Slap on the wrist punishments aren't enough. I have heard of some recent campaigns to fight botters, yet I see bots almost every day ratting about with impunity. I understand botters are technically paying customers, but for the sake of your rep, you need to kill them. If you are actually having trouble finding them, then that is the least of your problems. Anyone who can't find a botter is either a nub or wears a helmet and needs help to use a toilet.

5. Account Theft.

This is the fastest way to make somebody quit EVE. Yes I realize that it is usually the players own fault, but it really wouldn't hurt to hold their hands, show them a pop-up or two and remind them to change their password once in awhile.


That's all I have for now. I'll post my top 5 fajita recipes next time.

Sincerely and with much hetero-love,
Kaz




Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:15:00 - [2]
 

Quote:
2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.


Cite your source or admit you are making **** up as you go along. Companies have done research on this and come to the opposite conclusion as you. They have money and experience and used it to come to their conclusion.

Eumenides
Caldari
Ultravires Corporation
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:16:00 - [3]
 

/signed

Scheslo
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:19:00 - [4]
 

+1 for the truth of this whole post!

Mylor Torlone
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:19:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.


Cite your source or admit you are making **** up as you go along. Companies have done research on this and come to the opposite conclusion as you. They have money and experience and used it to come to their conclusion.


Common sense needs no citation. Microtransactions are where mediocre games go to die.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:20:00 - [6]
 

-10 for starting up a new thread to post the same crap that's in a million other threads.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mylor Torlone
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.


Cite your source or admit you are making **** up as you go along. Companies have done research on this and come to the opposite conclusion as you. They have money and experience and used it to come to their conclusion.


Common sense needs no citation. Microtransactions are where mediocre games go to die.


Posting in the first WoW is dying thread on the EvE forums.

Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kazzzi
Dear CCP. Please understand that I write this not out of anger or hate or sexual frustration, but out of love and concern for EVE and your souls.

Some of the things I mention have been addressed by CCP in some form, but another friendly reminder here won't hurt.

1. Stop treating EVE like a decade long beta test.

Please stop releasing unfinished content. Please also stop abandoning content.

One of the biggest examples of both of these is Faction War. CCP contacted my alliance before FW was introduced. We went over many ideas and the whole concept seemed very promising, except only about 15% of what was discussed was ever implemented, leaving FW a suboptimal shell of a game environment.

2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.

Even if you somehow sell a few monicles, it isn't worth the stigma attached to microtransactions.

3. Lag.

Faulty, bugged, lag generating code that gets petitioned thousands of times yet remains unfixed for 5+ years is unacceptable.

Yes, I've heard that if 5000 man battles are made playable, we'll bring 10,000. Well, if you don't want us to, then maybe you should rethink this single server sandbox, then perhaps boost small gang roaming mechanics.

Just think if you woulda put all the man-hours developing Captains Quarters instead into eliminating lag.

4. Hang all botters.

Botting is one of the worst things for a game's reputation. Slap on the wrist punishments aren't enough. I have heard of some recent campaigns to fight botters, yet I see bots almost every day ratting about with impunity. I understand botters are technically paying customers, but for the sake of your rep, you need to kill them. If you are actually having trouble finding them, then that is the least of your problems. Anyone who can't find a botter is either a nub or wears a helmet and needs help to use a toilet.

5. Account Theft.

This is the fastest way to make somebody quit EVE. Yes I realize that it is usually the players own fault, but it really wouldn't hurt to hold their hands, show them a pop-up or two and remind them to change their password once in awhile.


That's all I have for now. I'll post my top 5 fajita recipes next time.

Sincerely and with much hetero-love,
Kaz




Kazzzi,

Your ludicrous schemes are clearly delusional and not what the serious Eve player is interested in.

However, you are correct in there being a 5 stage plan to ensure the continual thriving of Eve's success, and it is in this process that CCP should now invest all it's time, resources and reputation;

1. Introduce a blue monocle to Nex
2. Introduce a purple monocle to Nex
3. Introduce a green monocle to Nex
4. Introduce a yellow monocle to Nex
5. Introduce an invisible monocle to Nex

Xious
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:30:00 - [9]
 

I made fajitas the other night, chicken, some cheese and I had a crazy idea. Bacon strips. Seriously, some of the best food I ever had. Try it and then thank me.

In response to your post your just jealous you don't have a monocle brony.

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
admit you are making **** up as you go along.


Of course I am. I'm still right though.

And WoW doesn't count because they are the Walmart of MMOs.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:31:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 19/07/2011 18:37:23
Originally by: Mylor Torlone
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.


Cite your source or admit you are making **** up as you go along. Companies have done research on this and come to the opposite conclusion as you. They have money and experience and used it to come to their conclusion.


Common sense needs no citation. Microtransactions are where mediocre games go to die.


You must live under a rock if you have not seen how many major franchises and new (and popular) games have come out for the past year or two with a veritable bounty of DLC that costs, you guessed it, $$$.

They would not be doing it, if enough people somewhere, were not taking advantage of it. Same as RMT, there would be no RMT, if enough people did not make use of it.

I am amused when people clamor at CCP, kill the RMT!!!, kill the BOTs!!!, kill MT!!!

You should be telling that to your fellow subscriber, my friend.
For every person that bought a monocle, some bean counter in CCP is rubbing his hands together and plotting the next wave of NEX merchandise. And who can blame them?

Ideals do not put food on your children's table.
Jobs do.

CCP employees do their jobs, maybe some of them are more unscrupulous or immoral than others, but until a CCP employee shows up at my door and tries to rob me at gunpoint (purely hypothetical of course) I will give them the benefit of the doubt that if they are releasing more and more NEX items, it must be because enough subscribers are willing to cough up money for it.

After all, no one forces me to buy NEX, and even if there were P2W at some distant point in the future years forward, this game has been around for nearly a decade, it has already produced its fruit compared to most any other longstanding franchise, being that it still only has one revolution, there is no EVE 2 a la EQ2, there is still only EVE, and I am just glad CCP seems to still be riding it until the wheels fall off, because I am right there with them.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:36:00 - [12]
 



I name that tune in 1.

Fix Eve.


They expect us to pay ABOVE PREMIUM TITLE/FRANCHISE rates for a SUB-PREMIUM niche game that's on a cow milking machine/life support and failing. Not going to happen.

Eve is dying because the focus on Eve as a product is dying.


Arthur Fancy
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:42:00 - [13]
 

OP is CCP alt

For using carefully hidden reverse psychology to help garner acceptance of NeX, I give you a 7/10

Trocent
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:02:00 - [14]
 

OP is right. Especially with point 2. I am not happy being locked out of some features of the game even if I don't like any of them.

Dante Tiesto
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:06:00 - [15]
 

ffs the more that leaves the game the better tbh, less crybabies around on forum and ingame.

Shizu Eisenkreuz
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:06:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Shizu Eisenkreuz on 19/07/2011 19:06:44
If (when) they'll add more NEX items, you will realize you have lost any right to scream and whine and pull random statistics out of your back orifice about the evil CCP overlords.

They are testing the NEX store with ridiculously overpriced items and people are actually buying them.
So what when they'll introduce cheaper items? Will you keep raging at CCP?
Can't wait for that moment. Will be interesting to see the forum dramaqueens trying to figure a way to keep blaming CCP and not the players who made them realize how profitable MT can be.

Also, as shocking as it may seem to the typical US forumer, things are different in the rest of the world. No such thing as college debt slaves. 20-30 years old with a resemblance of personal skills can actually spend money on their personal projects over here.

Dr DustRemover
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mylor Torlone
Microtransactions are where mediocre games go to die.


QFT

Rayohth
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:10:00 - [18]
 

WoW might represent the walmart of mmo but they have shown you can introduce services more radical than the NeX stores cosmetic trinkets and guess what? At the time bitter nerds on the forum raged and threatened to emoquit, but hardly any actually did, even then new nerds came thru the door to take their place.

Name change for $$ Server change for $$ Faction change for $$ PvE to PvP server for $$

Lets just say I agree with you about everything but the MT part (Now wheres my free monocle CCP?)

Also I hate it when ppl start going on about how intelligent and mature eve players are compared to other MMO playerbase, cos its a load of tosh quite frankly

I've met more unpleasant trolls and puerile nincompoops through this game than any other! I'm proud to call them my friends.. Laughing


Fore Khaos
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:16:00 - [19]
 

Oh, look. The AFK-cloakey alliance is talking about fixing game mechanics.

flummox
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:28:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 19/07/2011 18:37:23
Originally by: Mylor Torlone
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
2. Just say no to microtransactions.

Microtransactions, even just for vanity items, reduce the credibility of a subscription game. They are generally used in lower quality games with less depth or when a subscription game is dying or when people simply get greedy. Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.


Cite your source or admit you are making **** up as you go along. Companies have done research on this and come to the opposite conclusion as you. They have money and experience and used it to come to their conclusion.


Common sense needs no citation. Microtransactions are where mediocre games go to die.


You must live under a rock if you have not seen how many major franchises and new (and popular) games have come out for the past year or two with a veritable bounty of DLC that costs, you guessed it, $$$.

They would not be doing it, if enough people somewhere, were not taking advantage of it. Same as RMT, there would be no RMT, if enough people did not make use of it.

I am amused when people clamor at CCP, kill the RMT!!!, kill the BOTs!!!, kill MT!!!

You should be telling that to your fellow subscriber, my friend.
For every person that bought a monocle, some bean counter in CCP is rubbing his hands together and plotting the next wave of NEX merchandise. And who can blame them?

Ideals do not put food on your children's table.
Jobs do.

CCP employees do their jobs, maybe some of them are more unscrupulous or immoral than others, but until a CCP employee shows up at my door and tries to rob me at gunpoint (purely hypothetical of course) I will give them the benefit of the doubt that if they are releasing more and more NEX items, it must be because enough subscribers are willing to cough up money for it.

After all, no one forces me to buy NEX, and even if there were P2W at some distant point in the future years forward, this game has been around for nearly a decade, it has already produced its fruit compared to most any other longstanding franchise, being that it still only has one revolution, there is no EVE 2 a la EQ2, there is still only EVE, and I am just glad CCP seems to still be riding it until the wheels fall off, because I am right there with them.


if your best friend was jumping off a 200 foot cliff...

just because 'everyone is doing it' doesn't make it right or a viable business tactic.

as much as i hate the AboveTheInfluence commercials (pertaining to anti-weed ads), it think the methodology works with this.

CCP live above the MT influence, please.


Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Miilla


I name that tune in 1.

Fix Eve.


They expect us to pay ABOVE PREMIUM TITLE/FRANCHISE rates for a SUB-PREMIUM niche game that's on a cow milking machine/life support and failing. Not going to happen.

Eve is dying because the focus on Eve as a product is dying.




WELCOME TO THE DERPERDOME!

flummox
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:30:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Rayohth
WoW might represent the walmart of mmo but they have shown you can introduce services more radical than the NeX stores cosmetic trinkets and guess what? At the time bitter nerds on the forum raged and threatened to emoquit, but hardly any actually did, even then new nerds came thru the door to take their place.

Name change for $$ Server change for $$ Faction change for $$ PvE to PvP server for $$

Lets just say I agree with you about everything but the MT part (Now wheres my free monocle CCP?)

Also I hate it when ppl start going on about how intelligent and mature eve players are compared to other MMO playerbase, cos its a load of tosh quite frankly

I've met more unpleasant trolls and puerile nincompoops through this game than any other! I'm proud to call them my friends.. Laughing




this is because the recent changes to the game to cater to younger/fresher players has gotten us a crap load of these puerile nincompoops. somethingawful/goons not-withstanding.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: flummox

CCP live above the MT influence, please.



For me, it's not about whether or not to MT, it's about HOW you MT. So far, I can't complain now that I understand tiered pricing is their ultimate plan (they definitely need a MUCH larger low/middle price selection).

StillBorn CrackBaby
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:36:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Kazzzi
Microtransaction games are favored by teenagers with their parents credit cards, not 20-30 year olds with college debt. This puts you somewhat out of touch with your current playerbase. You are basically telling us that our subscriptions aren't good enough, we must pay extra to unlock the rest of the game.

And you get that information where? I know several players who would like to buy SP and they are all in their 40's and have their own credit cards. I think you are out of touched or been overly touched...

flummox
Posted - 2011.07.19 19:46:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: flummox

CCP live above the MT influence, please.



For me, it's not about whether or not to MT, it's about HOW you MT. So far, I can't complain now that I understand tiered pricing is their ultimate plan (they definitely need a MUCH larger low/middle price selection).


Yes.

doing it like "the rest of the world" is not the way to go with EVE. EVE has always stood out from the crowd and in fact the Devs/GMs USED to pride themselves on that fact. now, it just seems they only like the smell of money. pride no longer applies, i guess...

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.07.19 20:04:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 19/07/2011 20:05:53
Originally by: flummox


if your best friend was jumping off a 200 foot cliff...

just because 'everyone is doing it' doesn't make it right or a viable business tactic.

as much as i hate the AboveTheInfluence commercials (pertaining to anti-weed ads), it think the methodology works with this.

CCP live above the MT influence, please.




Oh I hear ya, I wish EVE developers and producers were hardcore idealists to the end like myself, but it looks like they're trying to commercialize a bit more... I can't really blame them, I mean just because they work at CCP does not mean their family members do, and times are hard in Iceland.

If they're chasing the green, I only hope the end result is not P2W, I could care less if they introduce leather collars or pink crotchless nighties to the game (those would at least be fun Twisted Evil), so long as it doesn't come with a set of lasers that do 2x the damage my own do.


 

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