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Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.23 10:01:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Silas Cooper on 23/07/2011 10:17:52
They have been reworking a lot of things lately to get them into the proper millennium, so that they can then improve and expand on them. The whole UI is messy atm.

Thing is; if the UI guys would come to the forums and state "look, this is the list of issues we know about and trust me we're working on it", then all would be fine. But per usual CCP is bad at communicating with their customers (I DO appropriate the one DEV posting here, but in this case he's more a user like us instead of a dev as this is not his specialism).

There ARE issues beyond simple key mapping and we'd like some answers about said issues and some time frames on the solutions. Right now it's damn right DANGEROUS to play EVE beyond mining in high sec because of it.

Ava n'Daara
Posted - 2011.07.23 10:09:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Silas Cooper
Right now it's damn right DANGEROUS to play EVE beyond mining in high sec because of it.


Exactly.

Any guesses at the result of petitioning for your ship back after shooting at a high sec station that shouldn't have been targeted in the first place? My guess is along the lines of "Sorry about your luck.. try not to target them in the future."

Any guesses at the result of petitioning for your ship back after your sentries randomly pull full room aggro w/ scramblers on your head while you're at full stop? My guess is along the lines of "Sorry about your luck.. try to keep more on top of your drones in the future."

Heh. :(

Sergio Armand
Posted - 2011.07.23 11:32:00 - [93]
 


+1 for getting this Fixed

This may also by why my Ctrl + Space to stop ship doesn't work on occasion ... ok when u can decelerate tho when someone has initiated gang warp and u don't wanna go then there seems to be no other way to cancel warp.

Changing shortcuts may be a work around tho yet again more time spent stuffing around to compensate for CCP's F'k ups !

Maybe paying more attention to the ppl bug reporting on SISI would avoid these screw ups ... but lately with the disregard for those bug reporting I would only expect less ppl will bother testing and bug reporting on SISI.

And I thort the latest patch was supposed to fix the new d-grade turret icons for those not using low quality graphics settings ?! Mine seem even worse with many ! in black boxes shown instead Evil or Very Mad

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.07.23 16:01:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Shasz
Originally by: CCP Veritas
Originally by: Bootleg Jack
Wrong, it changed from KEYUP to KEYDOWN in the last patch, it's a bug, read my explanation above.

Remapping it is a workaround for a CODE ISSUE.



Personally, I think it's poor behavior to have modifier keys do functional things on key up *or* key down, but I'll pass that along to the UI guys all the same.


Exactly!

/me crosses his fingers that the UI guys will get it too...


Actually, if the programming is done according to standards that are decades old it is not a problem at all. If the programming sucks, then ya, it is a bad thing.

Go read the bug report I linked.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.24 00:43:00 - [95]
 

Is it fixed yet? :)

Maybe if we keep this thread at the top, they'll realize how many people are really ticked off about it.

Modifier keys are not hotkeys! (ctrl, alt, shift)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctrl_key

"In computing, a Control key is a modifier key which, when pressed in conjunction with another key, will perform a special operation (for example, Control-Alt-Delete); similar to the Shift key, the Control key rarely performs any function when pressed by itself."

Mongo Edwards
Posted - 2011.07.24 03:00:00 - [96]
 

Just saying you can unmap ctrl and alt so that they are not hotkeys.

Wreckar
Posted - 2011.07.24 03:04:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Mongo Edwards
Just saying you can unmap ctrl and alt so that they are not hotkeys.


Just saying your name is quite fitting.

Asm Khurelem
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 10:24:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Shasz
Is it fixed yet? :)

Maybe if we keep this thread at the top, they'll realize how many people are really ticked off about it.

Modifier keys are not hotkeys! (ctrl, alt, shift)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctrl_key

"In computing, a Control key is a modifier key which, when pressed in conjunction with another key, will perform a special operation (for example, Control-Alt-Delete); similar to the Shift key, the Control key rarely performs any function when pressed by itself."

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.24 11:18:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Mongo Edwards
Just saying you can unmap ctrl and alt so that they are not hotkeys.


And when you unmap the control key for targeting, you can no longer ctrl-click to target.

You cannot set Ctrl-click as the "hotkey" for targetting, only Ctrl.

Ctrl to target and Ctrl-click to target should be independent options but they aren't.

Asm Khurelem
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 16:14:00 - [100]
 

Hey, any news, CCP? Still working as intended?

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.24 16:17:00 - [101]
 

Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.25 09:06:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.


Thumbs up!

Any fix yet CCP?

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.07.25 14:30:00 - [103]
 

Please fix this NOW!

Remapping isnt even a work-around, it just changes the exact problem to a new key.

Return ctrl and alt to simple modifiers with NO function when pressed by themselves.

To the user who said this is a minor issue not worth bothering with. In actual fact, this introduces a game-breaking moment during the first second of most encounters.

Diesel47
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:16:00 - [104]
 

+1 Fix now CCP please.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:03:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.


Home from work... nope, still not fixed.

Any timeline CCP?



Please support Lady Spank's thread named something very similar to:
"The ****ing CTRL key 1!!!!1111 ~~~~~~"

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:20:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Shasz
Originally by: Mongo Edwards
Just saying you can unmap ctrl and alt so that they are not hotkeys.


And when you unmap the control key for targeting, you can no longer ctrl-click to target.

You cannot set Ctrl-click as the "hotkey" for targetting, only Ctrl.

Ctrl to target and Ctrl-click to target should be independent options but they aren't.


I mapped it to Control G and I use Control G + click to "control click target" as you say it.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:42:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Not-Apsalar
Originally by: Shasz
Originally by: Mongo Edwards
Just saying you can unmap ctrl and alt so that they are not hotkeys.


And when you unmap the control key for targeting, you can no longer ctrl-click to target.

You cannot set Ctrl-click as the "hotkey" for targetting, only Ctrl.

Ctrl to target and Ctrl-click to target should be independent options but they aren't.


I mapped it to Control G and I use Control G + click to "control click target" as you say it.


Let's try an analogy...

Say you bought a car and drove it for years, and then took it to the dealer for an upgrade. In the process of upgrading your car, he told you could now reassign any knob or button to do any function you liked!

So you brought it home and played with it and realized that whenever you stepped on the gas peddle it also turned on the windshield wipers, and that when you rolled down the window it turned on the right turn signal.

Now, would you accept the "workaround" when offered that said you can use the temperature control knob for acceleration? Or would you raise a bit of a fuss when the "upgraded functionality" broke perfectly good functionality that many people were accustomed to, and that adhered to standard operation procedures?

Booby Trap
Posted - 2011.07.25 22:05:00 - [108]
 

Not much point in undocking with a serious bug like this.

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.07.26 04:50:00 - [109]
 

Some official comment from CCP beyond a friendly yet unhelpful dev would be appreciated. Please dont say this is working as intended since if you think this is working i would hate to see what else you have come up with on future changes to basic gameplay.

Drop Dead Sexy
Posted - 2011.07.26 10:37:00 - [110]
 

best thing is : click module(fck it does not turn on) click again!!! now it flashes in red it is turning off WTF WTF !! I hate incarna I hate carbon i want simple things that works fast, in a game where seconds matter all that fancy **** is worthless
just make something like simple UI which should be faster with no lag and i Bet that majority would use it..

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:40:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: CCP Veritas

Personally, I think it's poor behavior to have modifier keys do functional things on key up *or* key down, but I'll pass that along to the UI guys all the same.


Soo... any word from this being passed along to the UI guys? Or have they ignored you too?


Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:15:00 - [112]
 

Bump!
Keep this on first page until we get some official response guys.

Fullmetal Jackass
Posted - 2011.07.27 00:49:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.
Why would anyone care what a troll has to say?

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:30:00 - [114]
 

The entire keyboard shortcut system has been joke since the major overhaul. The developer who made it didn't have enough information/knowledge to do it and didn't research and test the old functions enough.

Now we have remapable shortcut keys with buggy features and zero possibility to customize 'em by opting anything out.

This is far from :excellence:

I'm pretty sure that the guy who coded this new system and all the patches to fix it, just isn't able to do it properly. Should assign the task to someone else. Sorry about that opinnion - just judging the results.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.27 05:38:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.
Why would anyone care what a troll has to say?


BOO HOO.

Try reading what this 'troll' has to say and then judging. You will discover you are a moron.

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.07.27 08:31:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.
Why would anyone care what a troll has to say?


Was that pre-emptive counter-trolling?

(bump)

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.27 11:48:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Lady Spank
Please see my proposal in the assembly hall.
Why would anyone care what a troll has to say?



Show us on the doll where the Lady Spanked you...


Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.27 12:33:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/07/2011 16:52:24
Put it back how it was, it's really getting on my tėts thanks.

Edit: You used to be able to freeze the overview with ctrl, then click on targets you wished to lock without them jumping all over the place. Now you get a pot luck item targeted plus what you wanted.

When you only have a limited number of target slots (frig) and are trying to initiate a fight as effectively as possible, you don't want to have the damned interface working against you as well. If even 5 seconds of a < 1m fight are spent farting about because of a terribly unintuitive design implementation it's really frustrating.

In a fleet fight, yellow boxing the wrong enemy can get you primaried and killed, not much fun when it's primarily due to a disastrous keyboard short-cut.

Thanks Razz


Where's my target? Oh, there it is at the bottom! *scrolls* Oh ****! Now it's up top! *scrolls* Goddamnit! Now it's back at the bottom! *Dies in a fire* Laughing Serious....****ing.....annoying

Fullmetal Jackass
Posted - 2011.07.28 05:44:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
BOO HOO.

Try reading what this 'troll' has to say and then judging. You will discover you are a moron.
Self important troll (even with groupies), is still a troll.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.28 08:31:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: Lady Spank
BOO HOO.

Try reading what this 'troll' has to say and then judging. You will discover you are a moron.
Self important troll (even with groupies), is still a troll.

Yeah? And you had a sex affair with a rust monster. Full metal my ass, Jack.


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