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GonnaLuv MyNutz
Posted - 2011.07.19 09:31:00 - [1]
 

Haven't played in a year and suddenly my Tengu can no long fit all of what i had on it and the dps seems to have drop from over 1000 to 600 according to EFT.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.07.19 09:34:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Drykor on 19/07/2011 09:35:03
Nice troll. The only T3 that has ever been able to beat 1000 dps without going all out faction/officer is the Proteus.

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.19 10:59:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Scott Ryder on 19/07/2011 11:02:09
Nevermind

karrak
Muchacho's
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:13:00 - [4]
 

+6% implants and some caldari navy bcus puts you over 1000 dps in a tengu.
With that said there does seem to be a bug with bcus. You get the ROF bonus but not the dmg bonus.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:14:00 - [5]
 

Luckily 6% implants didnt exist a year ago.

karrak
Muchacho's
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Luckily 6% implants didnt exist a year ago.


Fine +5% and some uber expensive bcus. point is its possible.

Gila Wild
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:39:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Gila Wild on 19/07/2011 11:40:36
Plz, show me a Tengu with faction ballistics (including imps), which hit 1000 dps. No way

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:43:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nomad Vherokic on 19/07/2011 11:49:47
Edited by: Nomad Vherokic on 19/07/2011 11:48:37
AFAIK, the skills not being applied bug is still around. I thought they fixed it, or was it projected for the next patch, the delayed one? As it is, I noticed something similar when I was putting together a Widow fit last night, same fit from 6 months ago now no longer fits (all relevant fitting skills at 5). Rolling Eyes

I can't pin down what ships it affects. The fix of relogging/undocking/whatever isn't consistent.

EDIT: ran this for a while, it's not optimal in terms of implants, just what I had at the time.

[Tengu, PvE HAM]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Target Painter II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Implants : ZME3000, ZMM1000

1019 DPS

EDIT: wrong implants added.

karrak
Muchacho's
Posted - 2011.07.19 11:46:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: karrak on 19/07/2011 11:48:56
My LVL 4 tengu fit

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Now add a +6% rof and dmg implant. Or stick some dmg rigs in there for good measure




Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:18:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Nomad Vherokic

[Tengu, PvE HAM]
Fit


Putting more than 2B worth of mods on a ship that will go down after 2 salvoes from 5 suicide armageddons seems like a marvelous idea.

Also, heavy assault launchers (bad damage against npc interceptors) and non-sustainbable tank on a droneless ship, would be hasardous on a handfull of missions. One pull mistake on a silence the informant or world collide, and you're gone.

Nadine Le'Slut
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:36:00 - [11]
 

Quote:

Putting more than 2B worth of mods on a ship that will go down after 2 salvoes from 5 suicide armageddons seems like a marvelous idea.



scan some missioners, find out its quite common, back to topic

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Nomad Vherokic

[Tengu, PvE HAM]
Fit


Putting more than 2B worth of mods on a ship that will go down after 2 salvoes from 5 suicide armageddons seems like a marvelous idea.

Also, heavy assault launchers (bad damage against npc interceptors) and non-sustainbable tank on a droneless ship, would be hasardous on a handfull of missions. One pull mistake on a silence the informant or world collide, and you're gone.


*hazardous
*handful
*non-sustainable

Who said anything about running missions in high-sec? I certainly didn't. As for interceptors, notice the Target Painter. And why would you need a perma-tank on a DPS ship? Answer: you don't.

In any case, I posted a fit in reply to a previous poster regarding a Tengu fit that does over 1000DPs, to merely illustrate the point that you can, and that it works. You can debate the applications of that all you like, maybe in a thread discussing the merits of such fits.

Sven Hammerstorm
Posted - 2011.07.20 00:37:00 - [13]
 

lol HAM tengu

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.20 06:08:00 - [14]
 

You might want to consider price of modules/suicide gank factor etc and weither it's worth it or just use said isk to buy PLEX to extend your game time. Something to consider when you buy expensive toys to make isk.

But now onto the other stuff HAM Tengu's are not the most effective thing in terms of mission running HML are better due to better range which means less travel time, you always have something in range. And the 4th Caldari BCU doesn't give much benefit over a normal T2 BCU, normally a couple DPS so consider that when you buy it.

Sharen silvermoon
Posted - 2011.07.20 22:18:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Sharen silvermoon on 20/07/2011 22:49:42
Originally by: Jak Silverheart

But now onto the other stuff HAM Tengu's are not the most effective thing in terms of mission running HML are better due to better range which means less travel time, you always have something in range. And the 4th Caldari BCU doesn't give much benefit over a normal T2 BCU, normally a couple DPS so consider that when you buy it.


Range is not as much of a problem with a Properly fitted HAM Tengu than what people think. Range is between 44 and 74 km depending of the ammo you use.So most of the time travel time consist of a few second considering that you go at almost 700 km/s. Of course when the enemy is at over 100km its a bit longer but that does not happen that often.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.21 00:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: GonnaLuv MyNutz
Haven't played in a year and suddenly my Tengu can no long fit all of what i had on it and the dps seems to have drop from over 1000 to 600 according to EFT.

Wild guess: you turned-on the option to consider reload time.

I think a HAM Tengu does about 988 DPS on paper, so maybe plausible if you are rounding.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.07.21 05:40:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 21/07/2011 05:43:57
Originally by: Sharen silvermoon

Range is not as much of a problem with a Properly fitted HAM Tengu than what people think. Range is between 44 and 74 km depending of the ammo you use.So most of the time travel time consist of a few second considering that you go at almost 700 km/s. Of course when the enemy is at over 100km its a bit longer but that does not happen that often.


with t2 rigs (HBTII+RFCPII)/4 CN BCU/5% implants you can get about 43 km with faction ammo (888 dps), 39 km (988 dps) with rage which is by far not enough in most missions. note that these are EFT numbers so it's a few km less in practice.

you can use range ammo (terror javelin - 700 dps at 65 km) but it does pathetic dps plus you have to consider reloading time. oh and it nerfs your velocity (you lose 26% of it) so using that while getting in range is kinda dumb. also 775 dps is what you get with faction HM at 120+ km.

ham tengu looks good on paper (with max missile skills) but fails miserably in practice. except for some specific complexes where you have to kill stuff spawning right next to your nose. the damage difference is just not big enough to compensate for getting in range time.

Sessym
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.21 06:30:00 - [18]
 

Speaking of DPS on a HAM Tengu - which do you think would help it apply more against frigates, a web or a painter? Which is more useful in a broader perspective?

Scorpii Zenith
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.07.21 09:19:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sven Hammerstorm
lol HAM tengu
Yeah Laughing Laughing Laughing

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2011.07.21 09:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sessym
Speaking of DPS on a HAM Tengu - which do you think would help it apply more against frigates, a web or a painter? Which is more useful in a broader perspective?


No idea. The web would have the potential the make the biggest increase in damage, I think, but it takes precious seconds for the webbed frig to slow down to it's new max velocity. And it's range is much shorter, while you could start applying damage to a painted frig as soon as it get into HAM range.

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2011.07.21 13:33:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: GonnaLuv MyNutz
Did Tengu get nerfed?!?!


Not yet Twisted Evil


 

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