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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:18:00 - [1]
 

Quote:
MMORPG.ORG: What can players expect over the next few months with EVE?

Kristoffer Touborg (STOFFER NINJAPIRATE/CCP SOUNDWAVE):

Expect the flying in space side to be a little more old-school. We need to get back to our roots if that makes sense. I think EVE has become a little soft, as strange as it sounds. Itís really easy to make money, itís pretty safe, itís become too much of a happy fairy land where everyone holds hands and eats lollipops than the dystopian universe itís supposed to be. There needs to be more opportunities for people to take massive risks and strike rich. Iíll tell you where it starts though; 0.0.
So this winter, weíre going to do two things. First of all, weíre going to crank up ship balancing efforts. Continual balancing should be part of the EVE universe, it shouldnít be a special event that happens every year or two, it should be a constant process and thatís being kicked off. A ship, modules, everything under the sun needs a bit of a shakeup. CCP Tallest has taken the banner on this and is currently rebalancing super-caps. I think we need to give the power back to the masses, so expect to see an increased role for sub-caps. That EVE is real trailer? Thatís where we need to be.

The second part is 0.0, where weíll look at resources. Resource scarcity or exclusivity is something weíve done really well when it comes to stuff like tech 3 and so on. In other areas, such as minerals, ice etc, weíve not done so well. So Iíd like to take some of the broadly distributed stuff and kind of slim down the availability. Hopefully that will create more professions for people, and make content thatís currently underutilized interesting again. I think people generally need some sort of identity and letting people do everything at once detracts from that.

I basically want to give some people a special set of shovels to build massive sandcastles, while at the same time giving another set of players reinforced steel boots that come with directions to stomp said sandcastles. Winter is going to be a ton of fun, whether you like creating, or just tearing everything down.


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I like this, EVE has become way too friendly. It used to weed out the dregs more properly in the past. Unfortunately I don't believe a word he's saying. I think CCP will continue to make EVE appeal more to a broader audience, and just like when Touborg expressed his opinion in that internal newsletter; no matter what he says or what job-title he has, he will not be able to circumvent this.

I would love it if I was proven wrong though.

SVTNeato
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:23:00 - [2]
 

I don't really have a problem with appealing to a broader audience, What I do have a problem with is the way they are doing it. I think its pretty much leading to mass boredom with the game in general. I personally haven't seriously played the game in weeks, Making everything easier isn't the best way to gain subscribers.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:24:00 - [3]
 

i read this and its so true, cash is way to easy to make now, i remember "back in my day" we mined for hours for our first frigate, we never got any free ships from our tutorial misisons, took a good while before one could get into a cruiser properly and back then, Battleships were a RARE Apearance in high sec, oh yea and it cost a hell of alot more for ships way back when.

we didnt have any of this fancy crap you young whipper snappers take forgranted :-P

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:25:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Laechyd Eldgorn on 17/07/2011 15:25:16
~I want to believe.~

Morganta
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:27:00 - [5]
 

lol, we had one of the most fail nights last night...
I lost 2 canes, nother guy lost that, a vaga and more (almost a bill of stuff)
we had **** dropping like jetcans on a dueling station.

seriously, we were the cursed fleet or something

there was NO handholding of any sort going on Rolling Eyes
I do recall getting my ass handed to me, but that's about it YARRRR!!

XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:28:00 - [6]
 

DEATH TO SUPERS AND TECHNETIUM! Evil or Very Mad

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:34:00 - [7]
 

I hope they actually do look at ship balancing more actively. It doesn't require new art which apparently is a bottleneck to everything CCP does and there are a ton of ships that could be made viable by a few tweaks here and there.

We still haven't got any solid information about what the 0.0 changes will be so I fear the worst in light of most recent design decisions. Time will tell and of course; we will watch what they do, not what they say.

Cerysse D'nari
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i read this and its so true, cash is way to easy to make now, i remember "back in my day" we mined for hours for our first frigate, we never got any free ships from our tutorial misisons, took a good while before one could get into a cruiser properly and back then, Battleships were a RARE Apearance in high sec, oh yea and it cost a hell of alot more for ships way back when.

we didnt have any of this fancy crap you young whipper snappers take forgranted :-P

The irony is that reducing the rate of income for players (new and old) would just create even more risk aversion and result in fewer fights.

Newer players coming from other games don't want to have to mine for hours (and risk getting ganked while doing so), they want to feel like they're getting somewhere and achieving something. If EVE had been released as it was 6 years ago today, it'd be virtually empty. The general playerbase and culture for MMOs has changed drastically over the years, for good or bad, and EVE has to keep up with it to remain competitive.

Changes are good and welcome, but I just hope it isn't in the wrong direction.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:43:00 - [9]
 

eve doesnt need to compete its a niche game that caters to a certain type of player, its doesnt need to try to be everything to everyone. which is whats putting me off alot of newer titles.

Sinikka Huiputti
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cerysse D'nari
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i read this and its so true, cash is way to easy to make now, i remember "back in my day" we mined for hours for our first frigate, we never got any free ships from our tutorial misisons, took a good while before one could get into a cruiser properly and back then, Battleships were a RARE Apearance in high sec, oh yea and it cost a hell of alot more for ships way back when.

we didnt have any of this fancy crap you young whipper snappers take forgranted :-P

The irony is that reducing the rate of income for players (new and old) would just create even more risk aversion and result in fewer fights.

Newer players coming from other games don't want to have to mine for hours (and risk getting ganked while doing so), they want to feel like they're getting somewhere and achieving something. If EVE had been released as it was 6 years ago today, it'd be virtually empty. The general playerbase and culture for MMOs has changed drastically over the years, for good or bad, and EVE has to keep up with it to remain competitive.

Changes are good and welcome, but I just hope it isn't in the wrong direction.


i dont think you're quite getting big picture right there. newbies are hurt pretty big time even now, problem is older players who have just isk flowing their way without even undocking or hell, logging in.

Lu'Marat
Posted - 2011.07.17 15:51:00 - [11]
 

Quite honestly, I believe they CAN pull it off, if they really want to.

EVE is special in the way that you can "scale" the intensity of your gameplay quite easily and efficiently. Nobody forces you to go out and do X, but if you really want to, there's little to stop you. You probably won't be good at it right away, because there's skills to learn and experience to be gained in using your stuff well, but the game itself hardly ever stops you. Other players, now, that's a whole other story. Thus, I believe EVE is quite capable of catering to a wide variety of needs and gameplay styles, probably more than most other games.

As long as they get round to fixing stuff so the gameplay EVE has to offer actually works as intended, as long as they keep improving the accessibility of the game to newcomers, EVE will do great. And I really want to see that happen, not only because I enjoy playing EVE as it is right now, but also because I can see a lot of great stuff ahead if they do manage to pull off at least some of their plans.

That, and if they manage to not lose hope over all the whining because honestly, I have yet to see any dev blog or official statement that did not spawn some sort of irate complaint. But that's EVE for you. Lots of potential, a sometimes absurdly brilliant, sometimes absurdly inept developer and a lot of complaining customers. Probably with a lot of drunk people on both sides :D

Major Connie Chung
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.17 16:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I hope they actually do look at ship balancing more actively. It doesn't require new art which apparently is a bottleneck to everything CCP does and there are a ton of ships that could be made viable by a few tweaks here and there.

We still haven't got any solid information about what the 0.0 changes will be so I fear the worst in light of most recent design decisions. Time will tell and of course; we will watch what they do, not what they say.


CCP TALLEST is 100% devoted to ship balancing now according to the fireside chat. They also know gall ships need help. Id love to fly a hyperion or brutix and do the job my maelstrom or cane does just maybe more drone, better tank. The way it was advertised.

I expect noneof it to go live till the winter expansion based on comments so people can either skill up till december or take a break till then.

Seven Duce
Posted - 2011.07.17 16:31:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
I hope they actually do look at ship balancing more actively. It doesn't require new art which apparently is a bottleneck to everything CCP does and there are a ton of ships that could be made viable by a few tweaks here and there.


The problem is CCP have shown time and time again that they fail at rebalancing, the only thing they know how to do is nerf, and the result is always a new 'I-win' button taking the place of the old one.

They fail even more because the last few 'tweaks' have only resulted in bigger blobs, supposedly the opposite of what CCP was trying to achieve.

Eve didnt use to be everyone flying the same few ships. But its been bad for a while and only getting worse in recent times.

Whenever CCP have tried to fix things they just make it worse..

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.07.17 16:33:00 - [14]
 

That quote is just a big blow job to 00 which will come on the backs of every player who wants nothing to do with 00 gameplay, nerf them until it buffs 00.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.17 16:39:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 17/07/2011 16:40:46
It took them 2 years to understand why the remoteDD was a bad idea, 4+ years to understand why the DD in titanblobs was a bad idea...it took them 1 year to understand why making SCs an IWIN button was a bad idea (and its still not fixed)...and lets not get into smaller ships (amarr not worth flying for years, now its gallente).

CCP takes terribly long to monitor something, even if its so obviously broken everyone just openly tells you how and "exploits" the hell out of it.
The problem is that ppl start investing in this stuff (SC-fleets don't come cheap) and once so many are in the game, you just can't undo it without much whining.

EDIT: sometimes they do react fast, Anomalies for example. Maybe its because they monitor the economy better than PvP...because for that you really need to play the game on that lvl.

Cerysse D'nari
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sinikka Huiputti
i dont think you're quite getting big picture right there. newbies are hurt pretty big time even now, problem is older players who have just isk flowing their way without even undocking or hell, logging in.

I don't understand, in what way are new players hurt currently? Besides maybe bored suicide gankers griefing their badger mining I guess. I started a new alt recently and within less than an hour had over a couple of million ISK, it's ridiculously easy to make money from day one nowadays.

I remember having to grind missions for a week just to afford a basic cruiser, now you have enough tofully fit a decent cruiser just by doing the tutorials and the SOE arc. I actually enjoyed the grind back then since it made me value what I thought I'd achieved even more, but other people really hated it. With the shift in gamer perspective and expectations, going back to the early values might not pay off quite as well as people think.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:10:00 - [17]
 

Newbies are hurt by the current situation as isk-gain and SP-gain are not syncronized. That results in a bad gaming experience.

EVE always suffered from this, not enough SP to get the ships you wanted, as isk-gain was faster. Thats unusal for MMOs, normally you level faster and need to grind for equipment.

EVE always faild at this, and today its worse as getting isk is easier then ever.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:17:00 - [18]
 

I absolutely 100% agree with that quote. It's very easy to make isk and pay for even a fully T2 fit T2 ship. When I started 1B isk was rich. Now 100B is rich.

That said, are they really serious about making the game harder? The recent agent change boosted mission income by a great amount, and made access to R&D agents much easier. Lvl 4 missions used to be difficult, but with all the new ship classes, implants, and rigs, they're very very easy to chain. Why did they increase the payout without increasing difficulty?

quickshot89
Caldari
89th Logistics
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:19:00 - [19]
 

eve has become much softer over the years, and i think its since all new characters start the same apart from the frig and weapon skill difference, bring back the diversity CCP!

also, i think they should do something about SC's like requiring a new fuel just to be able to do stuff, much like poses

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:27:00 - [20]
 

CCP Soundwave is sure right. EVE is going to be a harsh cold universe again... none of this carebear coddling..

Which is why NeX items are indestructible. Right guys? Rolling Eyes

CCP Soundwave is completely full of ****.

OHU812
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:30:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: OHU812 on 17/07/2011 17:41:53

Originally by: Kerrisone
That quote is just a big blow job to 00 which will come on the backs of every player who wants nothing to do with 00 gameplay, nerf them until it buffs 00.


^^THIS^^

About says it all and pretty much sums it up for any past major patch.

After living in 0.0 past couple of years and being with some of the biggest alliances in game, its all about 0.0. for CCP.

With each patch they make it more and more difficult for average player/noob to make ANY headway towards competing at all. No acces to T2 BPOs, shut-up fanbois the only reason why you rage is that you know it's a free isk printing machine. They should have never been allowed to enter the game, much less have been allowed to remain as long as they have. Remove them and you remove a large percentage of the isk printing.

Furthermore: I heard the phrase "Bitter vets" and it doesn't matter if a few go away... so be it, remove T2 BPOs, only a few bitter vets would leave.

Nope.... they won't remove it becauase the fanbois are in the pockets of CCP. Go ahead and flame fanbois and 0.0 holders.

Fact is they've tried to make it impossible with supporting and allowing things like hulkageddon take place. Herd the little guys into big alliances where they can be used for slaves and cannon fodder, nothing more and nothing less.

Perfect for the 0.0 people all the while pushing any new subscriber right out the door to other games.

Nope I entered this game years ago because I could make billions right by myself without the need for several accounts and or a team of 50 flying with me.

I still make a bit doing what I do but no thanks to CCP and their constant tweaking to help 0.0 inhabitants. There is absolutely no risk to the 0.0 holders in comparison to the hermit lifestyle and you can't tell me different. I've lived in all four sections of space and multiple locations within. (Hi-sec/Lo-sec/Null/WH.) I feel sorry for any noob joining this game, it's damn near impossible to enter this game wet behind the ears and make a go of it.

Got an idea for CCP. Why not just make the whole of your internet spaceship game 0.0? That way your fanbois can have it all.

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:50:00 - [22]
 

If you want eve to be harder, how about you leave pl and start your own corp?

Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:04:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Royaldo
If you want eve to be harder, how about you leave pl and start your own corp?





ahahahhahaha, you got dissed by someone in sev3rance


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: OHU812
Edited by: OHU812 on 17/07/2011 17:41:53

Originally by: Kerrisone
That quote is just a big blow job to 00 which will come on the backs of every player who wants nothing to do with 00 gameplay, nerf them until it buffs 00.

^^THIS^^

About says it all and pretty much sums it up for any past major patch.

After living in 0.0 past couple of years and being with some of the biggest alliances in game, its all about 0.0. for CCP.

With each patch they make it more and more difficult for average player/noob to make ANY headway towards competing at all. No acces to T2 BPOs, shut-up fanbois the only reason why you rage is that you know it's a free isk printing machine. They should have never been allowed to enter the game, much less have been allowed to remain as long as they have. Remove them and you remove a large percentage of the isk printing.

Furthermore: I heard the phrase "Bitter vets" and it doesn't matter if a few go away... so be it, remove T2 BPOs, only a few bitter vets would leave.

Nope.... they won't remove it becauase the fanbois are in the pockets of CCP. Go ahead and flame fanbois and 0.0 holders.

Fact is they've tried to make it impossible with supporting and allowing things like hulkageddon take place. Herd the little guys into big alliances where they can be used for slaves and cannon fodder, nothing more and nothing less.

Perfect for the 0.0 people all the while pushing any new subscriber right out the door to other games.

Nope I entered this game years ago because I could make billions right by myself without the need for several accounts and or a team of 50 flying with me.

I still make a bit doing what I do but no thanks to CCP and their constant tweaking to help 0.0 inhabitants. There is absolutely no risk to the 0.0 holders in comparison to the hermit lifestyle and you can't tell me different. I've lived in all four sections of space and multiple locations within. (Hi-sec/Lo-sec/Null/WH.) I feel sorry for any noob joining this game, it's damn near impossible to enter this game wet behind the ears and make a go of it.

Got an idea for CCP. Why not just make the whole of your internet spaceship game 0.0? That way your fanbois can have it all.


^^ This. 100% agreed.

CCP Soundwave, you are a jerk, plain and simple. The only guys making billions upon billions are precisely those super wealthy 0.0 Alliances. Way to buff them again, at the expensive of everyone else.

And yes, get rid of T2 BPO's.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:23:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei


CCP Soundwave, you are a jerk, plain and simple. The only guys making billions upon billions are precisely those super wealthy 0.0 Alliances. Way to buff them again, at the expensive of everyone else.

And yes, get rid of T2 BPO's.


Spoken like a true jealous poor person.

For the record, I am one of those people making billions and billions. One man corp. No alliance and rarely in null.

How does that fit into your little world?

BTW, you want my T2 BPOs? Either war dec me (if you dare), or gank me when I'm moving one of them. Play EVE or GTFO. Just stop whining all the time.

Mr Epeen Cool

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:32:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Ranka Mei


CCP Soundwave, you are a jerk, plain and simple. The only guys making billions upon billions are precisely those super wealthy 0.0 Alliances. Way to buff them again, at the expensive of everyone else.

And yes, get rid of T2 BPO's.

Spoken like a true jealous poor person.

For the record, I am one of those people making billions and billions. One man corp. No alliance and rarely in null.

How does that fit into your little world?

BTW, you want my T2 BPOs? Either war dec me (if you dare), or gank me when I'm moving one of them. Play EVE or GTFO. Just stop whining all the time.

Mr Epeen Cool

You chose your name well, constantly showing off the size of your d*ck. Don't confuse that with others being jealous, though.

As for T2 BPO's, they still need to go: the imbalance is just way out of proportion. And indeed, it's time for you to start playing EVE, and invent stuff, instead of turning on your easy-lane T2 ISK printing press machines.

Soulburn69
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:32:00 - [27]
 

Don't know anything about zeroes, but ship rebalance would be nice. Fix Gallente please.

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:46:00 - [28]
 

Dont bother, this is CCP's NEW HYMN, they probably listen to it every morning when they drink their booze diluted coffee.

Just stick around, troll a bit, wait for any change that finally defines what THEY REALLY WILL DO.

THEY NOT LISTENING NOT ANYMORE

THEY GOT TO BE BIGGER AND FASTER AND STRONGER!!!!!1ELEVEN!

THEY NOT LISTENING NOT ANYMOREEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!1111ONE!!!

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.17 18:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
I like this, EVE has become way too friendly. It used to weed out the dregs more properly in the past. Unfortunately I don't believe a word he's saying. I think CCP will continue to make EVE appeal more to a broader audience, and just like when Touborg expressed his opinion in that internal newsletter; no matter what he says or what job-title he has, he will not be able to circumvent this.

I would love it if I was proven wrong though.


If you don't believe a word he's saying, why do you like it? You like being lied to? Why even bring it up?

He spouts happy-talk like that so people will make threads about it and stop paying attention to the actual issues. Everybody who's paying attention knows that the next expansion will have nothing for Internet Spaceships except 'special shovels' for the big botting RMTing 0.0 alliances.

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.17 19:25:00 - [30]
 

Would love to see this happen, I really would.


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