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Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:35:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Non vanity "convenience" AUR items confirmed. Rolling Eyes

What'd they say on that front exactly?

The Great Destroyer
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:35:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
how about giving more specific instructions how to connect


^This.

First off- Mumble FORCES you to have a port. But the default port doesn't work. So what port do we put??????

connection timed out is all that happens.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:37:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Don Janitor Otichoda
CSM should be poking CCP to fix the server and not setting up stupid meetings
They know what we want

They might know.

Do you think they care?

OHU812
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:37:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Tommy Machiavelli
Originally by: OHU812
Edited by: OHU812 on 16/07/2011 20:20:12


Not interested enough in DLing mumble tbh.


TS next time maybe?


LOL, dear sir there won't be a next time for me unless it's within the next 20 days or so. Forget when all my time runs completely out.

I staggered my accounts so they don't run out all at one time. Was better able to manage my RL money that way.

Don Janitor Otichoda
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Don Janitor Otichoda
CSM should be poking CCP to fix the server and not setting up stupid meetings
They know what we want

They might know.

Do you think they care?

I truly believe CSM knows what we want .. cant tell the same about CCP

ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:49:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Non vanity "convenience" AUR items confirmed. Rolling Eyes

What'd they say on that front exactly?


They read out a very VERY well worded question about the wording of the CCP statement. Then there was silence. Then they said they can't answer the question. Then they praised the question for a minute or two. Then they started using the talking about "convenience" items and how not ALL convenience is a bad thing. They said something about CCP needing to "see how far they can go" in regards to purchasable items, and that if anything TOO convenient is planned to be implemented: CSM will be all over it.

That's to paraphrase. So it's two plus two really at this point. CCP is focusing a whole lot on character customization with the NeX store and future game updates, and it's what they DON'T say that gives us more of an idea of what will happen more than what they DO say. I think CCP will forge ahead with their plans - perhaps being far more careful when it comes to executing said plans. The SP re-skilling ability seems to make sense as it focuses on character customization and would be a huge convenience for players, following on from past changes to character creation and removal of learning skills. Perhaps they won't go that far, and make it so that you can buy a neural remap of character attributes instead of your entire skill tree (rather than only being able to do it once a year).

whatever else, it's safe to say at this point that it won't just be clothing and ship paint.

eveline watanabe
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:50:00 - [37]
 

So is the fire coming out of the servers?

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:56:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Non vanity "convenience" AUR items confirmed. Rolling Eyes

What'd they say on that front exactly?


They read out a very VERY well worded question about the wording of the CCP statement. Then there was silence. Then they said they can't answer the question. Then they praised the question for a minute or two. Then they started using the talking about "convenience" items and how not ALL convenience is a bad thing. They said something about CCP needing to "see how far they can go" in regards to purchasable items, and that if anything TOO convenient is planned to be implemented: CSM will be all over it.

That's to paraphrase. So it's two plus two really at this point. CCP is focusing a whole lot on character customization with the NeX store and future game updates, and it's what they DON'T say that gives us more of an idea of what will happen more than what they DO say. I think CCP will forge ahead with their plans - perhaps being far more careful when it comes to executing said plans. The SP re-skilling ability seems to make sense as it focuses on character customization and would be a huge convenience for players, following on from past changes to character creation and removal of learning skills. Perhaps they won't go that far, and make it so that you can buy a neural remap of character attributes instead of your entire skill tree (rather than only being able to do it once a year).

whatever else, it's safe to say at this point that it won't just be clothing and ship paint.

Wow, that sounds atrocious. I don't get why the CSM has to engage in evasive language as well over this topic. They don't stand to profit from the game (as we know it) dying like CCP does. Is there going to be a recording posted by chance?

Corin en Daire
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:56:00 - [39]
 

It is a fireside chat.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:26:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Nullity

Wow, that sounds atrocious. I don't get why the CSM has to engage in evasive language as well over this topic. They don't stand to profit from the game (as we know it) dying like CCP does.


It's called an NDA.

Dougal Regyri
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:39:00 - [41]
 

so bascially evrything that people where complaining about is STILL going to go ahead, just in a more convienant manner... lol , feel like a bit of a mug for beliving any of what was said :<

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:41:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Nullity

Wow, that sounds atrocious. I don't get why the CSM has to engage in evasive language as well over this topic. They don't stand to profit from the game (as we know it) dying like CCP does.


It's called an NDA.

There's a way to get around the NDA. If the CSM made a very public and loud demonstration of some sort (Be it a joint statement harshly criticizing CCP's direction, or just plain mass resignation), and attribute it to nothing specific, we'd all get the message. What they're doing is obfuscating things.

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:42:00 - [43]
 

Stop voting for clowns !

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:43:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 16/07/2011 22:43:27
Meh screw the fireside chat, just give me a summary of what Mittani and his minions say stupid and what Trebor, Seleene and Meissa say that makes sense

Really cba listening to yet another pre rehearsed script of Mittani's, where he tries so hard to be Jade Constantine and literally steals his style of communicating hahaha

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:50:00 - [45]
 

Thank you for your time CSM's

I still have to disagree with your decision on WH's and ABC ores. I understand it pales in comparison to 0.0. But realistically, how many WH's are next to jita? And how are you going to make up the utility WH mechanics have for smaller corporations who are not in a large alliance fighting for SOV? Either way if it fixes it now and makes 0.0 players happy "if they see a difference at all". I guess it is a worth while change. Though it should not be a permanent solution.

Game balance dictates how much SOV can be held. As it stands it is a super capital race. So by making ABC's more exclusive to 0.0, you are just buffing those who already have power. This will fade out smaller corps with WH POS's who manufacture. And further increase the struggle in prices when monopolies are created.

Also the CSM's are supposed to be the senators of our community. Individuals with outstanding knowledge of the game, its mechanics, and inner workings. I definitely feel like this is true. Though it is to be seen how far the opinions of the CSM's take hold over the communities concerns. Atm CCP and CSM's are covering monocles, lag, and p2w worries, when they should be covering, the need to urge CCP for development changes, balance issues, and content review.

As Mittani said "EVE is a broken game". I agree it needs to be fixed. But discussion on how that can and should be done was left out of the fireside chat. I more so felt like the issues had previously been discussed over skype/etc. And the community got shafted with scripted or classified answers. I think it would have been more constructive to have discussed it in length with community members for an agreement. This could be done on a voice chat "to chaotic for my liking though", a poll, or a forum. At least then, everyone has a chance to voice their opinion and feels about of the decision making.

Although chosen for election. The community did so because they felt you would best voice their opinion, listen, and discuss, various points of view. I am still learning various aspects of this game. As I do, I feel that more and more, the general veteran player base is biased or jaded to a lot of features. Mining, lag, NeX, and super caps, are some good examples. So my question is whether there are CSM's specializing in all the content of EVE. Or simply a large majority of 0.0 players with a minority of WH players?

AKA who on the CSM specializes in invention, mining, production, trading, economics, fleet combat, faction warfare, sovereignty, capital-super captial, covert ops, 0.0, WH, and economic changes?

Soji Kanagawa
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:53:00 - [46]
 

Need new CSM's imo

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:59:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 16/07/2011 23:26:17
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Need new CSM's imo


Not really having the NC scooby gang on there is actually pretty good, CCP are aware of an NC agenda which means they by default ignore and do the opposite of what the NC CSM say, as a result listen to the sane ones.

If you had random CSM in there, CCP would listen to them, I want NC to apply every year, shame now that they are losing all their space they wont get 7k+ sheep blindly voting for them

Croniac
Merlin Reach
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:00:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Croniac on 16/07/2011 23:02:46
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Need new CSM's imo


We just got new CSM, Bozo.

Maybe you missed that.

those who don't vote don't get to complain.

The Great Destroyer
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:01:00 - [49]
 

The chat over? Anyone got a download of the audio for it up?

Soji Kanagawa
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:06:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Edited by: Croniac on 16/07/2011 23:02:46
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Need new CSM's imo


We just got new CSM, Bozo.

Maybe you missed that.

those who don't vote don't get to complain.


Was making a statement, not complaining.
And yes if we just did get new CSM I did indeed miss it.

ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:09:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Game balance dictates how much SOV can be held. As it stands it is a super capital race. So by making ABC's more exclusive to 0.0, you are just buffing those who already have power. This will fade out smaller corps with WH POS's who manufacture. And further increase the struggle in prices when monopolies are created.

This is how 0.0 changes have always been. 0.0 has always been about the "quality" of the space. The better the space, the more wars will be fought over it. Usually any changes to 0.0 resources see a sort of reshuffling of sov as alliances and power blocks push for greener pastures with more potential isk generation. This change will be no different.

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Also the CSM's are supposed to be the senators of our community. Individuals with outstanding knowledge of the game, its mechanics, and inner workings. I definitely feel like this is true. Though it is to be seen how far the opinions of the CSM's take hold over the communities concerns. Atm CCP and CSM's are covering monocles, lag, and p2w worries, when they should be covering, the need to urge CCP for development changes, balance issues, and content review.


Balance issues were discussed and are being focused on by CCP for the winter expansion. CSM are focusing on these issues right now because they are relevant. As for development changes and content review - CSM cannot impact the devs plans so much as to completely change planned dev phases. They simply provide feedback when asked to, representing the player base while doing so.

Originally by: Digital Messiah
As Mittani said "EVE is a broken game". I agree it needs to be fixed. But discussion on how that can and should be done was left out of the fireside chat. I more so felt like the issues had previously been discussed over skype/etc. And the community got shafted with scripted or classified answers. I think it would have been more constructive to have discussed it in length with community members for an agreement. This could be done on a voice chat "to chaotic for my liking though", a poll, or a forum. At least then, everyone has a chance to voice their opinion and feels about of the decision making.


Like it or not, this is how it is done. You may feel like you're being shut out of the process, but you must understand the CSM are under NDA on some issues but do convey as much information as possible about recent activity during these chats. If you feel like you want more input in what goes on, I suggest running your own CSM campaign and get elected.


Quote:
Although chosen for election. The community did so because they felt you would best voice their opinion, listen, and discuss, various points of view. I am still learning various aspects of this game. As I do, I feel that more and more, the general veteran player base is biased or jaded to a lot of features. Mining, lag, NeX, and super caps, are some good examples. So my question is whether there are CSM's specializing in all the content of EVE. Or simply a large majority of 0.0 players with a minority of WH players?


The CSM are elected individuals, so you will find that people who are in large alliances and power blocs are far more likely to be voted for rather than a person in a NPC corp who is generally unknown. This means that a lot of the CSM are 0.0 players, usually with a token highsec / lowsec dweller or two for good show. All members of the CSM have their own agenda - they focus on specific things during their election campaigns to garner votes. I do not know the individual agendas of the current CSM members.

Croniac
Merlin Reach
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:13:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Croniac on 16/07/2011 23:25:23
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Originally by: Croniac
Edited by: Croniac on 16/07/2011 23:02:46
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Need new CSM's imo


We just got new CSM, Bozo.

Maybe you missed that.

those who don't vote don't get to complain.


Was making a statement, not complaining.


And yes if we just did get new CSM I did indeed miss it.


Ok, then I retract my 'bozo' remark.

Castiel Arnolles
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:20:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Castiel Arnolles on 16/07/2011 23:21:59
Originally by: ADMIRALPLANET DOMINATOR
Originally by: Digital Messiah
Game balance dictates how much SOV can be held. As it stands it is a super capital race. So by making ABC's more exclusive to 0.0, you are just buffing those who already have power. This will fade out smaller corps with WH POS's who manufacture. And further increase the struggle in prices when monopolies are created.

This is how 0.0 changes have always been. 0.0 has always been about the "quality" of the space. The better the space, the more wars will be fought over it. Usually any changes to 0.0 resources see a sort of reshuffling of sov as alliances and power blocks push for greener pastures with more potential isk generation. This change will be no different.

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Also the CSM's are supposed to be the senators of our community. Individuals with outstanding knowledge of the game, its mechanics, and inner workings. I definitely feel like this is true. Though it is to be seen how far the opinions of the CSM's take hold over the communities concerns. Atm CCP and CSM's are covering monocles, lag, and p2w worries, when they should be covering, the need to urge CCP for development changes, balance issues, and content review.


Balance issues were discussed and are being focused on by CCP for the winter expansion. CSM are focusing on these issues right now because they are relevant. As for development changes and content review - CSM cannot impact the devs plans so much as to completely change planned dev phases. They simply provide feedback when asked to, representing the player base while doing so.

Originally by: Digital Messiah
As Mittani said "EVE is a broken game". I agree it needs to be fixed. But discussion on how that can and should be done was left out of the fireside chat. I more so felt like the issues had previously been discussed over skype/etc. And the community got shafted with scripted or classified answers. I think it would have been more constructive to have discussed it in length with community members for an agreement. This could be done on a voice chat "to chaotic for my liking though", a poll, or a forum. At least then, everyone has a chance to voice their opinion and feels about of the decision making.


Like it or not, this is how it is done. You may feel like you're being shut out of the process, but you must understand the CSM are under NDA on some issues but do convey as much information as possible about recent activity during these chats. If you feel like you want more input in what goes on, I suggest running your own CSM campaign and get elected.


Quote:
Although chosen for election. The community did so because they felt you would best voice their opinion, listen, and discuss, various points of view. I am still learning various aspects of this game. As I do, I feel that more and more, the general veteran player base is biased or jaded to a lot of features. Mining, lag, NeX, and super caps, are some good examples. So my question is whether there are CSM's specializing in all the content of EVE. Or simply a large majority of 0.0 players with a minority of WH players?


The CSM are elected individuals, so you will find that people who are in large alliances and power blocs are far more likely to be voted for rather than a person in a NPC corp who is generally unknown. This means that a lot of the CSM are 0.0 players, usually with a token highsec / lowsec dweller or two for good show. All members of the CSM have their own agenda - they focus on specific things during their election campaigns to garner votes. I do not know the individual agendas of the current CSM members.


Much like the US Congress..except of course the individual agendas of the CSM does not break the world.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:27:00 - [54]
 

The CSM is incompetent like their chair. A mumble server? REALLY?

Are you even trying or is this another in a long line of pathetic try hard troll attempts?


Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:40:00 - [55]
 

From what I understand, relations between the CSM and EVE players which are supposed to be transparent are about as transparent as a panel of glass with a double-sided mirror coat on one side.

dgastuffz
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.17 00:48:00 - [56]
 

Csm know what they want they give **** about the playerbase

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2011.07.17 01:28:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
The CSM is incompetent like their chair. A mumble server? REALLY?

Are you even trying or is this another in a long line of pathetic try hard troll attempts?




See...Now your starting to 'get' Goons.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.17 01:30:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Digital Messiah on 17/07/2011 01:30:23
Originally by: The Great Destroyer
The chat over? Anyone got a download of the audio for it up?

http://www.mediafire.com/?a5r13so7dm79o7j

135 mb as .mp3 was 558 as .wav
I didn't get the very beginning, I did however get almost the entire thing.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.17 01:33:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah

http://www.mediafire.com/?a5r13so7dm79o7j

135 mb as .mp3 was 558 as .wav
I didn't get the very beginning, I did however get almost the entire thing.

Downloading now.
Have a monocle: http://www.friedpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/steampunk-monocle.jpg

Mylor Torlone
Posted - 2011.07.18 21:38:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Edited by: Croniac on 16/07/2011 23:02:46
Originally by: Soji Kanagawa
Need new CSM's imo


We just got new CSM, Bozo.

Maybe you missed that.

those who don't vote don't get to complain.

Sure they do. They pay CCP each month don't they, or were you stupid and thought the CSM actually mattered? Or, are you the special kind of cupcake that likes to compare the CSM to a government? I eagerly await your ignorant response.



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