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GLRCRASH GLR
Posted - 2011.07.15 19:27:00 - [1]
 

I am running a Raven with 6 cruise missile launchers and my volleys will onl hit for 150 to 500 each time. I have tried putting on more ballistic controls and it dosent seem to be helping. Anybody have any ideas wont the problem might be?

BearJews
Posted - 2011.07.15 19:53:00 - [2]
 

Post your fitting.

You might need Rigor Flare for your subs and maybe even a target painter if your skills are low.

Personally i run this

Lows:
3 Caldari Navy BCU (i don't use tech II cause i have these lying around)
Co-Processor II
Damage Control

Mid:
Shield Boost Amp
XLarge SHield booster II
Heavy Cap Booster II - 800
two Hardeners
TP

High:
6x cruise missile launcher II

Rigs:
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I x 2
Core Defense Safegaurd

Gives me maximum dps with a nice shield boost to boot



Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
Posted - 2011.07.15 20:20:00 - [3]
 

Also what are your skills like? Caldari battleship and missile support skills? And are you using the right ammo?

in other words, more info needed.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.07.15 21:58:00 - [4]
 

I'm guessing here, but it's often a good guess: stop shooting at small ships unless you have specific tools up your sleeve to apply damage. Cruise missiles are meant to apply damage to battleships. Without rigors, flares, target painters, etc. they just don't work against anything smaller.

And now way, way out on a limb: don't use a Raven for L3s. Ever.

Beef Knuckleback
Gallente
Pawnstars INC
Posted - 2011.07.16 04:30:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Zhilia Mann
And now way, way out on a limb: don't use a Raven for L3s. Ever.


Also match the missile to the rat. Devastators vs. Serpentis or Paradise vs. Angel can give you some frightfully low numbers. Wrong damage vs. wrong size with a low Guided Missile Precision skill and no rigors will drop those numbers even further.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.16 07:11:00 - [6]
 

Most important question is with which missiles you are shooting on which ship. Also still bugs afaik that skills dont get applied.

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:19:00 - [7]
 

My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

Hann Tuch
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:38:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Hann Tuch on 16/07/2011 18:40:58
Edited by: Hann Tuch on 16/07/2011 18:39:24
You really should NOT fly a BS without T2 drones(5of em, dont mix em, in ur case use small ones to kill frigs)!
Get a drake and u will be able to kill those 75%ships smaller then BS faster and will still be able to kill the BS.
Without t2 drones u will have a really hard time vs elite frigs scrambling u and therefore loose ur raven.
Also u should use eft/pyfon and battleclinic to get a decent fitting, urs is quiet bad, e.g.:if u cant use t2 launcher fit at least meta3 or meta4, if u cant afford those dont fly the BS.

Red zeon
Caldari
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.07.16 20:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Gorki Andropov
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


please say you troll, thats the worst raven fit ive ever seen!.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.16 20:22:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Red zeon
please say you troll, thats the worst raven fit ive ever seen!.

That is no Troll, it is a peice of EVE History at it's most beautiful.

Gotta dig up that thread now.

Sonya Kranz
Posted - 2011.07.16 21:42:00 - [11]
 

I have 2 suggestions, and one is that if you doing lvl 3 missions, stick with a drake!
second is go to battleclinic and find a proper setup for a raven, yours is horrible!

Skinny Vickers
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.16 22:56:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Skinny Vickers on 16/07/2011 22:56:37
Just because you can fly a battle ship it doesn't mean you should.

Take a step back, as another poster mention Battle clinic should help point you in the right direction.

Your fit will go down in the annuls of EVE history as being one of the worst Raven fits ever, I'm not even joking or being harsh.
Seriously you made the right choice asking for help, I genuinely hope you improve.


Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.07.16 23:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Skinny Vickers
Your fit will go down in the annuls of EVE history as being one of the worst Raven fits ever, I'm not even joking or being harsh.


It wasn't his and it already did. We'll see if Alara can dig out the original....

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.17 09:59:00 - [14]
 

cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless , you failed by not training for matar

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.17 10:07:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Naomi Knight
cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless , you failed by not training for matar


It always saddens me when I see this kind of post and have to doubleguessmyself wether it's a troll or just... misguided.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Naomi Knight
cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless , you failed by not training for matar


It always saddens me when I see this kind of post and have to doubleguessmyself wether it's a troll or just... misguided.

so you actually use cruise missiles in pvp?:O huh or you must be another matar fanboy who just talk **** and still flies those op ships

NoNah
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Naomi Knight
cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless , you failed by not training for matar


It always saddens me when I see this kind of post and have to doubleguessmyself wether it's a troll or just... misguided.

so you actually use cruise missiles in pvp?:O huh or you must be another matar fanboy who just talk **** and still flies those op ships


Funny you'd bring up pvp in a thread fairly evidently about pve. That said, yes, yes I do use cruise missiles for both pve and pvp at times. Not to mention minmatar have nearly as large of a reason to use cruise missiles as caldari does.

Johnny Augustus
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:53:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Johnny Augustus on 17/07/2011 11:56:59
Edited by: Johnny Augustus on 17/07/2011 11:55:44
Edited by: Johnny Augustus on 17/07/2011 11:54:33
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Naomi Knight
cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless , you failed by not training for matar


It always saddens me when I see this kind of post and have to doubleguessmyself wether it's a troll or just... misguided.

so you actually use cruise missiles in pvp?:O huh or you must be another matar fanboy who just talk **** and still flies those op ships


Not my fight, but it annoys me to see such dishonest debate tactics.

First, you moved the goal posts. In your original post, you stated "cruise missiles sux , worst weapons in eve and totally useless." This is obviously not true. Lots of people find them the best weapon for PVE purposes. Then only later in your second post did you specify for PVP purposes, which is a totally different matter. Yeah, they're not that useful for PVP.

Of course, NoNah didn't actually respond to that argument at all in his post. He didn't mention Cruise Missiles at all. But you still tried to make it sound like not only was he advocating the use for cruise missiles, but he was advocating the use of them in PVP. It's almost like you were trying to set a rhetorical trap, but unfortunately you jumped the gun and now your second post doesn't make that much sense.

After that, you tried to poison any future arguments he might make by painting him as a Minmatar ship user, and so that anything he says on this subject is a lie on his part, unless he agrees with you. Also a nice rhetorical trick, and perhaps the most dishonest part of your two posts in this thread. I shouldn't have to explain why it's dishonest, but I will just in case any one that might be reading doesn't understand: A particular argument can stand independent of the person making it. If you want to disprove an argument, attack the argument and not the person behind it. If an argument is flawed, you should be able to show it without attacking the person behind it. If you can't figure out how to show it, then maybe it's time to rethink you're own position.

Personally, I don't really have an opinion on the subject myself. While it certainly does seem sometimes to me that Minmatar ships are overpowered for PVP, I don't actually have a lot of PVP experience, so I don't feel as if I can actually make that judgment.

And while this post is probably a waste of time on my part, since you've made several other posts on the subject in numerous threads this morning, I actually had fun writing it up. It's been a while since I've been able to do something like this, and it was a good mental excercise for me.

TL;DR (god I hate that term, and the celebration of mental laziness it implies): While I may actually agree that Matar might be OP in my limited PVP experience, your use of dishonest tactics to argue for this does nothing but hurt your position.

[Edit] I started writing this post before NoNah made his second post. I didn't actually see it until after I posted this. Regardless, I believe this post still holds up.

[Edit2] Minor grammatical mistakes and cleaning up.

Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:57:00 - [19]
 

The original "My Raven was equipped with the following" post.

BearJews
Posted - 2011.07.17 14:51:00 - [20]
 

raven with 2 warp core stabalizers? That just is really crappy to me, unless you are doing it for a very specific mission, which is still crappy to me. You know your targeting range is CRAP with those stabilizers on... If getting jammed is such an issue get that ECCM thing of whatever that improves your signal strength so you don't have to worry about getting jammed when taking out the point NPC.

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.07.17 17:21:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: BearJews
raven with 2 warp core stabalizers? That just is really crappy to me, unless you are doing it for a very specific mission, which is still crappy to me. You know your targeting range is CRAP with those stabilizers on... If getting jammed is such an issue get that ECCM thing of whatever that improves your signal strength so you don't have to worry about getting jammed when taking out the point NPC.


Seems to me you're not too good at reading and/or recalling EVE history, boy

XxRTEKxX
Posted - 2011.07.17 23:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: GLRCRASH GLR
I am running a Raven with 6 cruise missile launchers and my volleys will onl hit for 150 to 500 each time. I have tried putting on more ballistic controls and it dosent seem to be helping. Anybody have any ideas wont the problem might be?


Use a Target Painter, and make sure the skills for it are high enough to use a T2 one. There's also an advanced skill to help it out more, it's called Signature Focusing. Train that up to level 3 at least. T2 painter isn't needed, and requires more cap. The Phased meta 4 is fine.

Get some rigor rigs on that Raven. Those will help your missiles do more damage on target.

Make sure your missile tracking skills are at least to level 4. Guided Missile Precision, and Target Navigation Prediction should both be at least as level 4.

Last, make sure you Cruise Missile skill is at least at level 4, and Warhead upgrades at level 4.

With 1 Target Painter, the needed skills all at level 4, Warhead Upgrades and Cruise Missiles at level 4, and Rigor Rigs.......you should be banking much higher hits on targets.


 

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