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Magsys Shihari
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:30:00 - [1]
 

Why are Vanity Items Non-Destructible?

What is the EVE "Lore" behind this? Do tell.

quigibow
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:43:00 - [2]
 

there is no good reason... ccp had to shove incarna down our throats because of CARBONRolling Eyes pretty much ccp has spent lots of RL in investment into other games (WOD DUST) and they are still year(s) away from being released. Pretty much Incarna is alpha testing for WODSad

dont get me wrong i would love to see what a station looks like in eve imo incarna should have come out one year after WOD launch mainly becuase WOD is a human avatar based game... while eve is ship avatar...
They should have taken what works best from WOD after a year and impliment what makes sence in EVE rather then the other way around which is what they have chosen and which is why since 2008 we have been getting medicore expansions... and i say this only in comparison to what an expansion in eve used to beSad

as for vanity items not being destructible? wait until all vanity items are bpc only... once there is an healthy market for items i would expect CCP to implement destructible clothing...

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:45:00 - [3]
 

:money:

Rosa Cardenalis
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:06:00 - [4]
 

Nex clothes are fully destructable. Nex manufacturers however, understand the dangers that pod pilots face and when you buy them you get two sets. One for your current clone and one for your medical bay one.

When you get podded you get to claim an new replacement from the manufacturer, and that has to be shipped out at considerable cost and thats why the damn things are so expensive you are actually buying a lifetime's supply!

Implant manufacturers do not do it because the cost of a single implant would make it prohibative.

They don't show on the killmail because nothing on the podkill shows. But rest assured PVPers when you pop that pod you definately scortched that guys skirt!



Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:07:00 - [5]
 

They did it to pi.ss idiots like you off over something so stupid.

Fix Lag
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
They did it to pi.ss idiots like you off over something so stupid.


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

I will ignore, for the moment, the fact that the OP has blatantly reposted a thread I started not too long ago.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:32:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Magsys Shihari
Why are Vanity Items Non-Destructible?

What is the EVE "Lore" behind this? Do tell.



The "lore" behind this is that you leave your clothes in your station when you go in your pod. You are naked in your pod. Always been like that.

The real question is, why do you even care? If you could loot them and resell them, it would be fine. But right now, it doesn't change anything to your gameplay. And to be honest, I prefer it that way, because if I could butcher a corpse to recover a monocle, I'd also start thinking about what the ****s did to the jews right before sending them to the gaz chambers.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.15 05:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Shadowsword

The real question is, why do you even care? If you could loot them and resell them, it would be fine. But right now, it doesn't change anything to your gameplay. And to be honest, I prefer it that way, because if I could butcher a corpse to recover a monocle, I'd also start thinking about what the ****s did to the jews right before sending them to the gaz chambers.


That logic doesn't work in this game

Anybody who shot a red cross has committed mass genocide for personal profit, yet nobody stops doing that out of "because it would be bad in a real world situation"

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.15 07:59:00 - [9]
 

You are not just paying for that version of the vanity item but for the jump clones of said product as well.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.15 08:08:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: AnzacPaul on 15/07/2011 08:11:00
Originally by: Uuali
You are not just paying for that version of the vanity item but for the jump clones of said product as well.



Funny, cause I thought jump clones were the only things that didnt get the products transported.

Edit: Even though alot of people rage in my thread about the topic and others, after the standard CCP has set with Eve for so long, a part of the member base believe we are entitled to an explanation. Even if CCP aren't planning on changing it (which i'm sure they aren't), they could at least spin some bull**** about it to attempt to answer the question.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.07.15 08:11:00 - [11]
 

Dunno about the lore, but it's cause MTing ****heads would be crying to CCP if we could vaporise their precious monocle :-D

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.07.15 08:36:00 - [12]
 

It's easy really Wink

As you're naked in your pod you don't actually have your clothes with you when you travel. Therefore they also don't get destroyed.

However this unfortunately also means you have to have one set of clothes at EVERY STATION IN THE UNIVERSE, or you couldn't be dressed in the same way when you dock at another station.

This is why the clothes are so expensive. You don't buy one pair of pants for 400 mil isk, you buy 10000 pairs of pants for 400 mil isk, or 40k isk each Very Happy

(Imagine the storage space in each station required only to store unused sparkle-clothes for capsuleers Very Happy)

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.15 08:50:00 - [13]
 

You stand in your captain's quarters, you want to clone jump.
No you can't. Not until you leave your ship.

Everything you see before you is a result of CCP trying to force you to beta test incompatible game designs.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.15 09:02:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Magsys Shihari
Why are Vanity Items Non-Destructible?

ask your lovely CSM rep Trebor; afaik this wasn't CCP's idea.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.07.15 09:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Magsys Shihari
Why are Vanity Items Non-Destructible?

ask your lovely CSM rep Trebor; afaik this wasn't CCP's idea.


In the end everything is approved by CCP, even if it's suggested by the CSM, which i don't know if is the case with vanity items being non-destructible.

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow


...

1) Non-destructible items can be sold at higher prices than destructible ones (although we can all agree that the prices CCP settled upon were in most cases wrong).

2) There are broadly speaking two populations in EVE -- Carebears who rarely get podded, and thus rarely would have to rebuy their destructible clothes, and PvPers who are always getting podded, and thus (given the annoyance-factor of having to undress/redress) would rarely buy them in the first place. Nobody who is getting podded every week is going to buy a monocle.

...



Rividien Calennand
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.15 09:25:00 - [16]
 

why non-mt clothes are not destructible? you even have those with you after a jump-clone !
gonna blame ccp for that.

i look at the mt-vanity clothes as an unlocked clothes in the customization tool, i think that ccp should not make them tradable as an in-game good and instead it should be unbreakable and "always with you" just as normal clothes are.

not as i really care, i'm not going to buy a vanity item, especially not for those prices, but i don't have any problem towards who wants them. it's their money/isk, and if that help ccp with their financial problems and to have more game-contents in the near future then i'm happy with that.

oh please, don't start quoting me saying things such "you dumb idiot, ccp just wants our money and won't release anything good in the near future"

Moroccan Tourist
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:32:00 - [17]
 

put 74 monocles in a kestrel undock in jita and lets see what happens

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:39:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Moroccan Tourist
put 74 monocles in a kestrel undock in jita and lets see what happens


The CSM confirms that they would not be destroyed because people wouldn't buy them if they could be. They will obviously be teleported to your hangar otherwise nobody would buy monocles.

It must be true. The CSM said it. The CSM wouldn't lie or misrepresent the truth. They simply wouldn't. Not even for a free holiday to Iceland.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:54:00 - [19]
 

Holy cow. I just realized that there are some things about EVE that are not totally in line with reality. The idea of being physically killed but then reborn in a new clone with all (or most of your experience) never wrecked the immersion aspect of the game for me. Not one single bit. Neither did the whole faster than light travel or the fact that lasers (or anything) make noise in space. Everything was completely realistic until monocles!!!!!!!

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:58:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Holy cow. I just realized that there are some things about EVE that are not totally in line with reality. The idea of being physically killed but then reborn in a new clone with all (or most of your experience) never wrecked the immersion aspect of the game for me. Not one single bit. Neither did the whole faster than light travel or the fact that lasers (or anything) make noise in space. Everything was completely realistic until monocles!!!!!!!



No, everything was consistent. If lasers made noise in space, but missiles didn't, you would be within reason to ask why.

Everything else is destroyed or dropped upon destruction of pod/ship, so why is there an exception to the consistency?

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:08:00 - [21]
 

Apparently if you sit on a monocle it is a great cure for Hemorrhoids. True.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Magsys Shihari
Why Are Vanity Items Non-Destructible?
Given that there are some players that simply just cannot help themselves with grief play, making them non-destructible is a prudent move.

Once these novelty items become more common and could more easily be acquired through the in-game market with in-game money it may be worth another consideration. But in the mean time I support them being non-destructible. Some players are simply too itchy in their desire to destroy other people's real money.


Van Upier
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:20:00 - [23]
 

More intriguingly - why are people such as the OP so concerned with destroying these items which have no impact whatsoever on the gameplay.

It would seem foolish to purchase vanity items, since they are just that - vanity items. It would seem equally foolish to be concerned with their destruction. But human nature takes over - some want to obtain these exclusive and controversial items - a form of pea-****ing. For the same essence of human nature, others want to take them away - envy.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:22:00 - [24]
 

answer: because even less idiots would buy them and petitions would stack to the moon.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Moroccan Tourist
put 74 monocles in a kestrel undock in jita and lets see what happens


ROFLMAO!

On the other side, if they would be destructable/lootable everybody and his dog will hunt down "monolcers", to loot and resell the monocle on markets. This would be a kick in the nuts for ccp, as monocle prices will drop (isk-wise), lowering ccp´s profit on this s*it, what they deserve, imo. Who would buy a monocle for AUR if he can get it for isk cheaper?

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:26:00 - [26]
 

Because the avatar rendering server will be going nuts trying to keep up with the changes of people clone jumping and pod killing.

Presumably, they don't want to write anything to handle that situation, because that situation will not arise in World Of Darkness, nor will exchanging Goods + Money for Special Goods, because CCP don't want to write that either.

Solosky
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:56:00 - [27]
 

It's simple. Because you are not buying single item - but same item on each station in New Eden. Then you getting into capsule you leave clothes on station - and put new set on another or same station after return.

That's why they are so expensive: it's not a pair of $1000 jeans - but a thousand (or more) $1 jeans.

Tiina Turmiola
Minmatar
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:15:00 - [28]
 

Clothes are non-destructible

EXTRA vanity clothes are also non-destructible

see the logic?

:D

also check out my goggles!

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:24:00 - [29]
 

To quote the other thread, which still hasn't got a reply from ccp -

Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer

There is no RP reason, CCP just want to make money.



Thomas Phillippe
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:32:00 - [30]
 

griefer tears are so sweet.


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