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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:38:00 - [1]
 

Imagine an eve with no carebears.

No Standings to jump clone
Nothing on the market that can only be obtained in the loyalty Point store.
No POSes in High Sec

Anything else I missed?

The point is carebears like me are a critical part of eve online. Without carebears the market would come crashing down.


Andr Katelo
Caldari
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:40:00 - [2]
 

So, what are you suggesting?

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:41:00 - [3]
 

Careful there. Your eyeball is falling out.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:42:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Imagine an eve with no carebears.
Ok. Same as now, but with more intelligent pricing.

Carebear is not an activity; it's a mindset.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:53:00 - [5]
 

Imagine a game without distinction between PvP and PvE.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:07:00 - [6]
 

Imagine a game where people do not care what style you play.

I can tell you this, if CCP suddenly made it non-optional and everyone "had" to PvP this game would be dead over night.

Vyl Vit
Minmatar
Cambio Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:09:00 - [7]
 

I'm suggesting I've been playing shoot-em-up games longer than most people in EVE have been alive. Before computers we were out in the yard throwing water balloons at each other - neighborhood-wide water balloon wars. Hysterical.

I've killed, slain, exploded, blown-up, fried, toasted and derezzed enough mobs to last three lifetimes. I play EVE because there are OTHER things to do in the game. If you want to call me a Carebear, I have a string of exwives that'll argue the point with you.

I've gotten all that hostility and need to teabag somebody for adrenalin rushes and ego inflation out of my system with my last foray in the field - Battlefield 2. (If you really want to PvP, try that one out. The bullets actually work. You get no armor tank, unless it's a .... tank.)

I'm BORED with shooting stuff. I've done it thousands and thousands and thousands of times. I wanna do something else. BUILD something. Yeah. Start with nothing and make it into something.

Just remember, when you go to replace that PvP ship with a new one, rearm, refit, those doodads came from somewhere...if you don't recall making them yourself, someone else musta done it.

"Carebear?" That's a term the ego-tripping "still got a ways to go" people use as a sort of PUT DOWN. It makes me larf. I used to shoot your daddy every day. Now he has a kid with a gun. My kid is in-game shooting you now.

Gimme a break.


Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:17:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Imagine an eve with no carebears.

No Standings to jump clone
Nothing on the market that can only be obtained in the loyalty Point store.
No POSes in High Sec

Anything else I missed?

The point is carebears like me are a critical part of eve online. Without carebears the market would come crashing down.




You are not a carebear, no carebear would ever waste the ISK on such a silly thing as functionaless eye-sphincter... you are now a fop... plain and simply.

Carebears are pragramtic ISK makers, a Fop is you... trash that eye-plug and you may find some respect again, but for now you are a laughing stock.

Please restrict your posts to the speculation on NeX items and space Ken and Barbie fashion statements, and petition to have your ID amended to Kardashian!

Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:19:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Imagine a game where people do not care what style you play.

I can tell you this, if CCP suddenly made it non-optional and everyone "had" to PvP this game would be dead over night.


QFT

Problem is CCP is patching more and more stuff killing the fun for carebears and those who just want to have some fun PvE wise. Latest coup was the removal of unscannable ships and that really ****ed me off. It wasnt like you were immortal with one, actually you had some considerable drawbacks in survivability while PvEing, it was just a chance to survive alone in low security space if you acted smart enough. Now you are just screwed. Only chance to do something in low sec is do join a PvP based corp right now.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:32:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Valentina Valentia

You are not a carebear, no carebear would ever waste the ISK on such a silly thing as functionaless eye-sphincter... you are now a fop... plain and simply.

Carebears are pragramtic ISK makers, a Fop is you... trash that eye-plug and you may find some respect again, but for now you are a laughing stock.

Please restrict your posts to the speculation on NeX items and space Ken and Barbie fashion statements, and petition to have your ID amended to Kardashian!


Genius just figured out that Hydra member isn't a carebear. If only you could've applied the same measure of genius to choosing a name or corporation. I mean seriously, Valentia Valentia, what did you get to your last name and in a moment of creative inspiration decide to drop a letter?

Serene Repose
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:43:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Important Person
...I mean seriously, Valentia Valentia, what did you get to your last name and in a moment of creative inspiration decide to drop a letter?

You're such an important person you didn't need to create a name, I see.

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:44:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Valentina Valentia

You are not a carebear, no carebear would ever waste the ISK on such a silly thing as functionaless eye-sphincter... you are now a fop... plain and simply.

Carebears are pragramtic ISK makers, a Fop is you... trash that eye-plug and you may find some respect again, but for now you are a laughing stock.

Please restrict your posts to the speculation on NeX items and space Ken and Barbie fashion statements, and petition to have your ID amended to Kardashian!


Genius just figured out that Hydra member isn't a carebear. If only you could've applied the same measure of genius to choosing a name or corporation. I mean seriously, Valentia Valentia, what did you get to your last name and in a moment of creative inspiration decide to drop a letter?


Yes...LOL... SO what! Like EVE is a LARP/RPG haven... I would have named it 1, 2, 3 if I could have.

I nominate you Fop 2 also, Who cares about the ID of a toon, sheesh.

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:47:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Serene Repose
Originally by: Important Person
...I mean seriously, Valentia Valentia, what did you get to your last name and in a moment of creative inspiration decide to drop a letter?

You're such an important person you didn't need to create a name, I see.



Now I know what happened to Rue Paul!...LOL... I love his lips! Now that is the look of an important person! Needs an eye-sphincter I think! YARRRR!!


EvEa Deva
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:50:00 - [14]
 

EvE is a sandbox with a few turds in it, Just watch out for the turds and you will be ok.

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:55:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Xenuria

Anything else I missed?



No triple warp core stabbed, hullrepping arty-pulse-blaster rocketshieldboost ruptures.

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:01:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: EvEa Deva
EvE is a sandbox with a few turds in it, Just watch out for the turds and you will be ok.


My Cat just turned his nose up at EVE and then went into the litter room, took his scooper and threw it at the PC!... I think it needs a cleaning! Wink

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Vyl Vit
I'm suggesting I've been playing shoot-em-up games longer than most people in EVE have been alive. Before computers we were out in the yard throwing water balloons at each other - neighborhood-wide water balloon wars. Hysterical.

I've killed, slain, exploded, blown-up, fried, toasted and derezzed enough mobs to last three lifetimes. I play EVE because there are OTHER things to do in the game. If you want to call me a Carebear, I have a string of exwives that'll argue the point with you.

I've gotten all that hostility and need to teabag somebody for adrenalin rushes and ego inflation out of my system with my last foray in the field - Battlefield 2. (If you really want to PvP, try that one out. The bullets actually work. You get no armor tank, unless it's a .... tank.)

I'm BORED with shooting stuff. I've done it thousands and thousands and thousands of times. I wanna do something else. BUILD something. Yeah. Start with nothing and make it into something.

Just remember, when you go to replace that PvP ship with a new one, rearm, refit, those doodads came from somewhere...if you don't recall making them yourself, someone else musta done it.

"Carebear?" That's a term the ego-tripping "still got a ways to go" people use as a sort of PUT DOWN. It makes me larf. I used to shoot your daddy every day. Now he has a kid with a gun. My kid is in-game shooting you now.

Gimme a break.




Very valid points!

Funny how people forget where all their ships and fits come from..

Righteous Deeds
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:35:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Vyl Vit
I'm suggesting I've been playing shoot-em-up games longer than most people in EVE have been alive. Before computers we were out in the yard throwing water balloons at each other - neighborhood-wide water balloon wars. Hysterical.

I've killed, slain, exploded, blown-up, fried, toasted and derezzed enough mobs to last three lifetimes. I play EVE because there are OTHER things to do in the game. If you want to call me a Carebear, I have a string of exwives that'll argue the point with you.

I've gotten all that hostility and need to teabag somebody for adrenalin rushes and ego inflation out of my system with my last foray in the field - Battlefield 2. (If you really want to PvP, try that one out. The bullets actually work. You get no armor tank, unless it's a .... tank.)

I'm BORED with shooting stuff. I've done it thousands and thousands and thousands of times. I wanna do something else. BUILD something. Yeah. Start with nothing and make it into something.

Just remember, when you go to replace that PvP ship with a new one, rearm, refit, those doodads came from somewhere...if you don't recall making them yourself, someone else musta done it.

"Carebear?" That's a term the ego-tripping "still got a ways to go" people use as a sort of PUT DOWN. It makes me larf. I used to shoot your daddy every day. Now he has a kid with a gun. My kid is in-game shooting you now.

Gimme a break.




And I thought I was the only slideruler still playing a computer game. Interesting that we see it the same way, too.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Imagine an eve with no carebears. [...] The point is carebears like me are a critical part of eve online. Without carebears the market would come crashing down.

You don't have to be 100% carebear to have high standings with some NPC entity.
You don't have to be a carebear to also be an industrialist.
You can always create jumpclones in 0.0 stations and in Clone Vat Bays.

So, an EVE without carebears, you say ?
Prices would shift, markets would experience some increased volatility, relative earnings for various occupations would change, we would have far, FAR less supercapitals, and not much else.

But that's besides the point.
So many people are carebears that nothing of essence would be lost if the carebear population would be drastically reduced.

Any INDIVIDUAL carebear is as good as irrelevant.
Any entire subclass of carebears is expendable.
All carebears as a whole are merely a CONVENIENT part of EVE.

An EVE without carebears could very well potentially be a much more fun EVE.
But we'll never have that, since most people are carebears.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:00:00 - [20]
 

Akita with all those assumptions, could you please do me a favor and define 'carebear'. :-)


An old established definition would be: "One who does not PvP".

My take on that is that by logging into EvE one is PvP'ing by definition, and thus by definition can not be a carebear. In the same way as someone engaging in a multiplayer match in CoD or SC can not be a carebear.

The term carebear is traditionally used in MMOs with distinct separation of PvE and PvP content, a separation that does not exist in EvE.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Valentina Valentia

My Cat


What's your cats name?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:22:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Valentina Valentia
My Cat
What's your cats name?
Katla

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:22:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 15/07/2011 02:41:37
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Important Person
Originally by: Valentina Valentia
My Cat
What's your cats name?
Katla

Linkage Razz


Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Akita with all those assumptions, could you please do me a favor and define 'carebear'. :-)

EVE (regular) carebear : a player with such a high personal "risk aversion" factor that causes him to try to avoid as much as he is able to any form of PvP in which he thinks he has a non-negligible chance of losing something.

EVE totally hopeless carebear : EVE carebear that is also complaining the game is full of griefers and that he just can't have any fun times no matter what he tries.

...

You can have carebear PvPers ("gankbears", "blobbers", etc), you can have carebear 0.0 dwellers (deep blue sea types, NAPfests, "AFK-cloak whiners", etc), you can even have carebear traders (the type that starts flooding you with evemails as soon as you start "interfering ") and so on and so forth.
Obviously, some of them fall under the "totally hopeless" heading too (like the "AFK cloak" demographic mentioned, or blobbers complaining about lag and other blobs).

Going by that first definition, the overwhelmingly vast majority of EVE players are either (at least partial if not complete) carebears themselves or have carebear alts. A noticeable portion of them are actually "totally hopeless carebears". Laughing
The rest are either bored, rich, reckless, inexperienced, stupid, ISK buyers (PLEX or RMT) or an arbitrary combination of any or all of the previously mentioned attributes.Twisted Evil

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:16:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Akita T

EVE (regular) carebear : a player with such a high personal "risk aversion" factor that causes him to try to avoid as much as he is able to any form of PvP in which he thinks he has a non-negligible chance of losing something.



That sounds like someone who have taken Sun Tzu to heart.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win"

But in a game that philosophy is a bit boring. Eve doesn't really need those, I agree with that. But its hard to avoid in a game where the risk factor is so high.
At the other end of the scale are people who charge into battle blind, because there is no risk at all. Typical WoT or WoW behaviour.


Quote:

EVE totally hopeless carebear : EVE carebear that is also complaining the game is full of griefers and that he just can't have any fun times no matter what he tries.

...

You can have carebear PvPers ("gankbears", "blobbers", etc), you can have carebear 0.0 dwellers (deep blue sea types, NAPfests, "AFK-cloak whiners", etc), you can even have carebear traders (the type that starts flooding you with evemails as soon as you start "interfering ") and so on and so forth.


Sounds more like sore losers in general. I think we all fall into that category from time to time.

Quote:

Going by that first definition, the overwhelmingly vast majority of EVE players are either (at least partial if not complete) carebears themselves or have carebear alts. A noticeable portion of them are actually "totally hopeless carebears". Laughing
The rest are either bored, rich, reckless, inexperienced, stupid, ISK buyers (PLEX or RMT) or an arbitrary combination of any or all of the previously mentioned attributes.Twisted Evil


See now the word starts to be so inclusive that it has no meaning at all. Then we might just use the word "Eve players" ;)



I think I often fall into another category of carebears. Those who willingly fly into dangerous space to grab the riches and run away before I get shot to smithereens. I must admit I do enjoy listening to the whining that sometimes ensues when a small fleet or a single pilot are robbed of the opportunity of a killmail.
I see this activity to be somewhat similar to running with the flag in any "Capture the flag" scenario of arena-style PvP in other games.
Yet the stamp of 'carebear' is inevitable.

Sometimes it seems the only way not to be a carebear is to foolishly charge into the nearest blob guns blazing. In the end EvE seems to be a game that is not about Player vs Player, but Carebear vs Carebear. Without Carebears the EvE population would probably be less than a thousand.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sarina Berghil
See now the word starts to be so inclusive that it has no meaning at all. Then we might just use the word "Eve players" ;)

I said it stealthier Twisted Evil

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
See now the word starts to be so inclusive that it has no meaning at all. Then we might just use the word "Eve players" ;)

I said it stealthier Twisted Evil


I think obfuscated in a sea of words might have described it better. ;)

I got a module for stealth, I don't need to be diplomatic.

Maressa
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:35:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Maressa on 15/07/2011 03:40:54
Originally by: Vyl Vit
I'm suggesting I've been playing shoot-em-up games longer than most people in EVE have been alive. Before computers we were out in the yard throwing water balloons at each other - neighborhood-wide water balloon wars. Hysterical.

I've killed, slain, exploded, blown-up, fried, toasted and derezzed enough mobs to last three lifetimes. I play EVE because there are OTHER things to do in the game. If you want to call me a Carebear, I have a string of exwives that'll argue the point with you.

I've gotten all that hostility and need to teabag somebody for adrenalin rushes and ego inflation out of my system with my last foray in the field - Battlefield 2. (If you really want to PvP, try that one out. The bullets actually work. You get no armor tank, unless it's a .... tank.)

I'm BORED with shooting stuff. I've done it thousands and thousands and thousands of times. I wanna do something else. BUILD something. Yeah. Start with nothing and make it into something.

Just remember, when you go to replace that PvP ship with a new one, rearm, refit, those doodads came from somewhere...if you don't recall making them yourself, someone else musta done it.

"Carebear?" That's a term the ego-tripping "still got a ways to go" people use as a sort of PUT DOWN. It makes me larf. I used to shoot your daddy every day. Now he has a kid with a gun. My kid is in-game shooting you now.

Gimme a break.





You would've loved star wars galaxies back in the day. The crafting system was insanely complex and while you made a type of item the same as everyone else. The quality and stats of the items were unique based on the quality of the materials used, your skill, skill bonuses and a little bit of luck. Quality of materials varied wildly and were not always available, there were 100's of 'polymer' but only a few were any good and maybe 1 or 2 decent. The last 'spawn' of super great polymer may have been many months ago and to make top of the line stuff you had to be ready to mobilise instantly to drop harvesters should an uber spawn come along.

But when you finally made a top of the line, as in best of something on the entire server, it was hugely satisfying. From Laser rifles to Comp Mini Suits, I made the best **** on Ahazi for nearly a year PreCU/NGE, then I made 100's of thousands of grenades post Patch 13...yawn

I miss that game...still.

Arn Vel
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:42:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Imagine an eve with no carebears.

No Standings to jump clone
Nothing on the market that can only be obtained in the loyalty Point store.
No POSes in High Sec

Anything else I missed?

The point is carebears like me are a critical part of eve online. Without carebears the market would come crashing down.




Some people just want to see the world burn.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:09:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Maressa
Edited by: Maressa on 15/07/2011 03:40:54
Originally by: Vyl Vit
I'm suggesting I've been playing shoot-em-up games longer than most people in EVE have been alive. Before computers we were out in the yard throwing water balloons at each other - neighborhood-wide water balloon wars. Hysterical.

I've killed, slain, exploded, blown-up, fried, toasted and derezzed enough mobs to last three lifetimes. I play EVE because there are OTHER things to do in the game. If you want to call me a Carebear, I have a string of exwives that'll argue the point with you.

I've gotten all that hostility and need to teabag somebody for adrenalin rushes and ego inflation out of my system with my last foray in the field - Battlefield 2. (If you really want to PvP, try that one out. The bullets actually work. You get no armor tank, unless it's a .... tank.)

I'm BORED with shooting stuff. I've done it thousands and thousands and thousands of times. I wanna do something else. BUILD something. Yeah. Start with nothing and make it into something.

Just remember, when you go to replace that PvP ship with a new one, rearm, refit, those doodads came from somewhere...if you don't recall making them yourself, someone else musta done it.

"Carebear?" That's a term the ego-tripping "still got a ways to go" people use as a sort of PUT DOWN. It makes me larf. I used to shoot your daddy every day. Now he has a kid with a gun. My kid is in-game shooting you now.

Gimme a break.





You would've loved star wars galaxies back in the day. The crafting system was insanely complex and while you made a type of item the same as everyone else. The quality and stats of the items were unique based on the quality of the materials used, your skill, skill bonuses and a little bit of luck. Quality of materials varied wildly and were not always available, there were 100's of 'polymer' but only a few were any good and maybe 1 or 2 decent. The last 'spawn' of super great polymer may have been many months ago and to make top of the line stuff you had to be ready to mobilise instantly to drop harvesters should an uber spawn come along.

But when you finally made a top of the line, as in best of something on the entire server, it was hugely satisfying. From Laser rifles to Comp Mini Suits, I made the best **** on Ahazi for nearly a year PreCU/NGE, then I made 100's of thousands of grenades post Patch 13...yawn

I miss that game...still.


SWG pre-NGE was just awesome and I miss it something fierce. I loved crafting in that game and scouting out rich deposits of resources then plopping down my harvesters. Sad that SOE had to go and muck it all up. Mad

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.15 04:16:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 15/07/2011 04:17:09

Best proof that most EVE players are the "carebear" type : http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493997&page=14#410

The highest steady subscriber growth EVER was linked to the release of the "Quantum Rise" expansion, generally regarded as a mostly "meh" expansion... while the expansion hailed as the best recent one ("Apocrypha") which was heavily PvP-oriented (w-space) has actually caused a slow and steady loss in subs combined with a reduced average time spent online.

Laughing


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