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NickyYo
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: NickyYo on 29/07/2011 20:36:30

The 0.0 effect...
*Goons are hardly active and its summer!
*Lots of players from Razor and MM either quit the game or took a break from it after losing their space.
*Quite a few 0.0 pvp corps have died off over time due to the blob warfare by the russians.
*0.0 is now supercapital online.
*The only reason big alliances want 0.0 space is to sell iskies, AKA the Russians. It won't be long till these guys own all of 0.0. Look at the chinese server to see this kind of thing in action.

The empire ripple effect...
*All these 0.0 players then come to empire and harras carebear corporations, they then quit the game.
*New players don't stick with the game due to being harrassed out of it.

Server population stats
EDIT: Look at the graphs.
Graph One: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
EDIT: Yes i know the graph above is read right to left trolls, and the thread stays.

Graph two: https://www.eveger.de/page_serverstatus.php

From the graphs it clearly shows this time last year Eve had 5k more people online! thats a 5k drop!!
Activity is dipping

Quote: from gdjghjhgjfh

"For the year chart--> look near 7/14/2011. it is between 35k and 40k whereas 7/14/2010 was between 40k and 45k. that is actaully at least a 5k loss from one year prior, which indicates a slight decline.
If you compare 1/13/2011 to 7/14/2011 you actually can see about a 20K decline over 7 months."

From this 5k decline CCP are losing around $100k amonth and could end up losing more than $1.2 million for the year.

And now the micro transactions?
Is it possible eve is dieing?

Population UPDATE!


I rebump this thread a month on to discuss is eve realy dieing? The online population still hasnt risen since the patch and a month later it is still declining.

By looking at the graphs eves population is 7.5k lower than this time last year, it was 5k lower last month...


Whiny McEmokid
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:43:00 - [2]
 

glad you added that [Serious Thread] tag otherwise I may have suspected you of trolling.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:43:00 - [3]
 

Yes, EVE is self-destructing.

In fact that's why us players try to kill it faster with negative publicity, unsubs and forum drama.

Self-destructs don't generate killmails.

Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:46:00 - [4]
 

You know that the bottom graph is in reverse?

Long John Silver
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:46:00 - [5]
 

Dunno about self-destructing... but it is certainly self-harming, and the doctors are focused on another patient.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:47:00 - [6]
 

Posting in my 10,000th Eve is dying thread.

I can haz prizez now?

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:48:00 - [7]
 

You are unlikely to get a serious discussion.

However you can trace the start of the decline back over 18 months now. Oh and no I'm not referring to :18months: Razz

The server is generally unstable - it crashes four or 5 times a week.

There are loads of bugs which impact the business of actually flying ships.

Its summer but numbers are down on last summer.

Unless CCP pull some major tricks out of the bag for the winter expansion then I think the decline will become self-perpetuating.

Sad but Eve's been trundling along on three wheels for a while now...

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:50:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Othran
You are unlikely to get a serious discussion.

However you can trace the start of the decline back over 18 months now. Oh and no I'm not referring to :18months: Razz

The server is generally unstable - it crashes four or 5 times a week.

There are loads of bugs which impact the business of actually flying ships.

Its summer but numbers are down on last summer.

Unless CCP pull some major tricks out of the bag for the winter expansion then I think the decline will become self-perpetuating.

Sad but Eve's been trundling along on three wheels for a while now...


I call bull****. I can find EvE is dying threads from way longer than 18 months ago.

Vyl Vit
Minmatar
Cambio Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:50:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Vyl Vit on 14/07/2011 16:50:56

There's already a post dealing with this, entitled "0.0"

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1550825


Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:53:00 - [10]
 

It's summer time. Time to go to the beach, go for a bike ride, etc. Who wants to play EVE when it's so nice outside?

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:55:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
You know that the bottom graph is in reverse?


Snicker Laughing

Yeah, look again, 2011 is on the left hand side.

NickyYo
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:55:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: NickyYo on 14/07/2011 16:56:06

Originally by: Vyl Vit
Edited by: Vyl Vit on 14/07/2011 16:50:56

There's already a post dealing with this, entitled "0.0"

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1550825




Ive never seen that thread and you post proves our points.
Quite a few people are noticing it.

Amarr Citizen 532532632
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:59:00 - [13]
 

Someone should tell him that graph reads from right to left, not left to right.

NickyYo
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:00:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
Someone should tell him that graph reads from right to left, not left to right.


Yes i know its read from right to left.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 14/07/2011 17:02:44
Originally by: NickyYo
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
Someone should tell him that graph reads from right to left, not left to right.


Yes i know its read from right to left.


So , why then are you concerned? Activity dips up and down like that all the time, especially in the summer...but long term it trends upward.

NickyYo
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:05:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: NickyYo
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
Someone should tell him that graph reads from right to left, not left to right.


Yes i know its read from right to left.


So , why then are you concerned?


Im happy eve is dieing and hope it does.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:06:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 14/07/2011 17:07:06
Originally by: J Kunjeh
So , why then are you concerned? Activity dips up and down like that all the time, especially in the summer...but long term it trends upward.

Because Incarna was supposed to be a pretty big deal (with some of the very few features being a revamped NPE, a new agent finder and a new UI for the corp finder/recruitment interface) at least on par with Apocrypha?

And so far we see none of that...

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: NickyYo
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: NickyYo
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 532532632
Someone should tell him that graph reads from right to left, not left to right.


Yes i know its read from right to left.


So , why then are you concerned?


Im happy eve is dieing and hope it does.


Oh, I see then...move along people, nothing to see here...

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:06:00 - [19]
 

EVE could be fine, just need to jettison 3 things from the cargo bay and we can cancel the self-destruct:

Bots.
Aurum.
CCP.

Rownen Kasozi
Minmatar
CHALYBS INC
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 14/07/2011 16:48:40

The 0.0 effect...
*Goons are hardly active and its summer!
*Lots of players from Razor and MM either quit the game or took a break from it after losing their space.
*Quite a few 0.0 pvp corps have died off over time due to the blob warfare by the russians.
*0.0 is now supercapital online.
*The only reason big alliances want 0.0 space is to sell iskies, AKA the Russians. It won't be long till these guys own all of 0.0. Look at the chinese server to see this kind of thing in action.

The empire ripple effect...
*All these 0.0 players then come to empire and harras carebear corporations, they then quit the game.
*New players don't stick with the game due to being harrassed out of it.

Server population stats
EDIT: Look at the graphs.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Activity is dipping

Now the micro transactions?
Is it possible eve is dieing?



Seem's like it, now as Eve Online players we need to hit the net and start recruiting new players.

start some epic battles, youtube em and the whole 9!

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Not-Apsalar
It's summer time. Time to go to the beach, go for a bike ride, etc. Who wants to play EVE when it's so nice outside?



Yes, it's this game called 'Real Life'. You can do things like get laid, have a couple of beers, get a tan, go swimming. It's surprising how many people in EVE have not heard of this. . . .

Definitely an EVE Killer.Twisted Evil

Rownen Kasozi
Minmatar
CHALYBS INC
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Not-Apsalar
It's summer time. Time to go to the beach, go for a bike ride, etc. Who wants to play EVE when it's so nice outside?



Yes, it's this game called 'Real Life'. You can do things like get laid, have a couple of beers, get a tan, go swimming. It's surprising how many people in EVE have not heard of this. . . .

Definitely an EVE Killer.Twisted Evil


Whats skills, and prerequisite skills would I need to get the skill "Get Laid"?

and doesn't a "couple of beers" has a side-effect on my Toon in Real Life?

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:27:00 - [23]
 

Everything you said has a ring of truth.

However.

I still find loads of fun fights in my Tristan.

I still find lots of others doing frig and cruiser pvp in RvB and faction war is still cheap fun.

The supers and blobs in 0.0 actually make life more entertaining for lone recons and frig/hac pilots - the average individual pilot skill has plunged since around 2008 imho. There's never been more terribad pvp'ers in shiny ships.

EvE is very much on a downturn tho and I agree entirely fwiw about the isk farming and RMT being the only reason to hold sov.
Hopefully CCP is going to do something about it.

I honestly do think if they do not sit down and rebalance EvE from top to bottom, yeah, the clock is ticking toward inevitible decline.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Not-Apsalar
It's summer time. Time to go to the beach, go for a bike ride, etc. Who wants to play EVE when it's so nice outside?



Yes, it's this game called 'Real Life'. You can do things like get laid, have a couple of beers, get a tan, go swimming. It's surprising how many people in EVE have not heard of this. . . .

Definitely an EVE Killer.Twisted Evil


I lost a WH to getting laid once but it was in the wintertime. Swimming in the wintertime sucks tho.

Unless it involves getting laid.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:39:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 14/07/2011 16:48:40

The 0.0 effect...
*Quite a few 0.0 pvp corps have died off over time due to the blob warfare by the russians.



What do you think NC did before the Russians came and out blobbed them Twisted Evil

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:40:00 - [26]
 

I'm so confused... all these years I thought you were supposed to provide evidence that supports your arguments, instead of the opposite. ugh

King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:50:00 - [27]
 

Eve dying? no probably not yet. What I do see a lot of is the older, original players leaving, being replaced by younger, more instant gratification types. And that has a serious negative impact of the community.

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Posted - 2011.07.14 17:59:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: NickyYo

EDIT: Look at the graphs.

Activity is dipping




So is consumer spending in the major economies. Do you think there might be a connection?

Rownen Kasozi
Minmatar
CHALYBS INC
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:05:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Rownen Kasozi on 14/07/2011 18:05:48
Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Originally by: NickyYo

EDIT: Look at the graphs.

Activity is dipping




So is consumer spending in the major economies. Do you think there might be a connection?


definitely not,
If you want to get technical, when America's economy was going through the depression people STILL found money to do entertaining things, I.E. Movies.

Quote:
Hollywood and the Great Depression

In 1934, Will Hays, head of the Motion Picture Producers and Distributors Association, said that "No medium has contributed more greatly than the film to the maintenance of the national morale during a period featured by revolution, riot and political turmoil in other countries." During the Great Depression, Hollywood played a valuable psychological and ideological role, providing reassurance and hope to a demoralized nation. Even at the Depression's depths 60 to 80 million Americans attended the movies each week, and, in the face of doubt and despair, films helped sustain national morale.

[Source:http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/hollywood_great_depression.cfm]

So no, there is NO connection. In actuality it would be more activity expected for games such as Eve.

But as the Thread starter stated, Eve is in what appears to be self-destruct mode.

And it's not because of the economy, it's because CCP went ahead with their agenda to milk more money out of it's players. player activity was healthy before the whole "greed is good" thing came to light. now, not so much so.

so 1+1 = 2 all day long,
the economy is not the reason for low activity it is CCP's money scheme that is the cause for eve's low activity.

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:29:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 14/07/2011 18:31:15

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Not-Apsalar
It's summer time. Time to go to the beach, go for a bike ride, etc. Who wants to play EVE when it's so nice outside?


Yes, it's this game called 'Real Life'. You can do things like get laid, have a couple of beers, get a tan, go swimming. It's surprising how many people in EVE have not heard of this. . . .


That is not real-life. That is a vacation, which is what many of the absent players are currently on. Real-life will start up again a fortnight later when they have to report back to the jobs they hate for the rest of the year.

That's 'real life', and they'll all soon be back on-line trying to escape it once again.

BTW, what's summertime got to do with getting laid? Do human beings have mating seasons in your part of the world?


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