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JapiTheMan |
Posted - 2011.07.14 01:43:00 - [ 1]
Hey, I'm a noob.
Now then that's out of the way, I'd like some tips and opinions.
I've started playing this game last year but never really got into it that much. I'm now continuing and also making 2nd account for purely PvP specialized purposes.
And everytime someone asks about pvp, the response is "it depends what you wanna do, be specific".
So being specific, I'm mostly a solo player, atleast for now I plan to focus on lowsec roam (if that's the correct term). Just flying solo in lowsec trying to find 1v1 situations. I'm not into any kinda funky stuff, with ewarr ect, i just wanna run in there, blast them to hell and get out. So few questions..
1) What ship type is the best. Not asking specific ships, but the types. Like heavy assault ships, t1 frigates, battlecruisers, even battleships? Consider you have to take into account the cost differences and risk/rewards in these situations.
2) How do ppl actually find each other in lowsec? Is it just flying around from belt to belt or are some kinda scanners suppose to be used? Never seen any scanners in fits though so guess not.
3) In addition to purely doing lowsec roam, I'd like to be able to kill occasional npc bs spawn or something like that, so which ship types would have the firepower to take 'em out? Keeping in mind, im not maxed 5's on everything so my t1 frigate wont do 300+ dps.
If ppl want to suggest direct ship names, it's all good, though im personally gonna stick with Amarr ships. I know they arent regarded as best pvp vessels, but I got other chars flying minmatar, gallente and caldari stuff allready.
Personally looking through ships options with my nooby eyes, the HACs seem like a good option. Kinda liking the zealot atm. Do you ppl feel its a good choise to skill up to? Too pricey for lowsec pvp roams, or just perfect?
While all responses are welcome, constructive and intellectual posts are most appreciated :) |
Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.07.14 02:31:00 - [ 2]
Tech II, faction and pirate frigates as well as BC's are your best options. HAC's and others are nice but more costly.
you use the d-scanner to find targets and assess your surroundings. If you set the overview up to show belts or planets you can determine what celestials are in your d-scan range and have a whole system scanned out by warping to 2 or 3 points on average. This changes with system size. Also be aware people could simply be docked in stations.
Most frigates that are solo pvp worthy can also handle any rats you will find out there, just avoid the ones that spawn high-end 3x frigates unless you have a shield buffer fit or solid rep fit. All BC's can handle these too. For low sec there are plenty of battleship and cruiser/BC spawns that are easy to speed/sig tank in a frigate although the higher-end battleships may take a while to chew through. |
Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion. |
Posted - 2011.07.14 03:25:00 - [ 3]
 Originally by: JapiTheMan
Personally looking through ships options with my nooby eyes, the HACs seem like a good option. Kinda liking the zealot atm. Do you ppl feel its a good choise to skill up to? Too pricey for lowsec pvp roams, or just perfect?
Zealot is bad for solo because it has no utility high for a neut/cloak, no dronebay and no tracking bonus. |
Trixie Smithers |
Posted - 2011.07.14 06:29:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Trixie Smithers on 14/07/2011 06:32:13
Eve is not a solo friendly game. Yes, you can fly around solo in low sec and get the occassional kill, but this presents serious problems. You already mentioned one: finding people. It's not easy, and most people in low sec are pretty good at not getting caught, nor are they necessarily alone (however it might appear).
Another issue -- one of many -- is that roaming is dangerous. You are jumping blind every time, which means that you need something relatively small and very quick or you will die to the first gang you encounter. No class of ship can avoid this kind of death completely, but in general the small and quicker the better off you are. Sounds like a frigate, right?
Yes and no. The problem here is that frigates cannot survive gate guns, nor do most have the DPS to score quick decisive kills before help arrives, and all but the most expensive lack some versaitilty when compared to larger ships.
If you are looking for solid solo ship suggestions I suggest nano-fitted T1 cruisers, AF's, and T1 frigates while you learn the ropes. But there is a better option still...
The best thing for you to do is to join a PvP corporation that specializes in low and null sec roaming. For this you will likely fly a Battle Cruiser as they offer tremendous bang for the buck in terms of damage, tank, versatility, drones, and low cost. INSURE IT, always, and your actual cost will be very low when it dies.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.14 07:40:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: Othran on 14/07/2011 07:43:19 Originally by: JapiTheMan
1) What ship type is the best. Not asking specific ships, but the types. Like heavy assault ships, t1 frigates, battlecruisers, even battleships? Consider you have to take into account the cost differences and risk/rewards in these situations.
2) How do ppl actually find each other in lowsec? Is it just flying around from belt to belt or are some kinda scanners suppose to be used? Never seen any scanners in fits though so guess not.
3) In addition to purely doing lowsec roam, I'd like to be able to kill occasional npc bs spawn or something like that, so which ship types would have the firepower to take 'em out? Keeping in mind, im not maxed 5's on everything so my t1 frigate wont do 300+ dps.
1) It depends  No but being serious it does. Frigates in low-sec means you can't normally aggress on-station or on-gate as the guns will pop you within 10 secs or so. Cruisers will last a little longer but not so long that they're very useful. HACs and BCs are a good bit more durable. So basically if you want to keep as many options as possible open then a Battlecruiser is probably the best choice; 2) Directional Scanner (dscan) usually. If you're using a frigate then you'll have to get decent at dscan as you'll be working away from stations/gates usually; 3) Better off not trying to do both IMHO when you have low skills. Want to pop some npcs for isk/sec status then learn to fly a Stealth Bomber - that's probably the fastest solo method thats practical for you. Fly your BC for PvP and the SB for BS ratting/chance ganks. Edit - use the SB in npc null somewhere, park it up in a station with jumpclone and jump to it when you want a "day out". As Spank says you can use frigates or BCs but if you're going to be ratting in low-sec then you're probably going to want to pop them fast - cos when you're really ratting then you're the prey not the hunter  Oh and the Zealot isn't a HAC I'd use for solo work but I'm sure its possible. Certainly not optimal but possible. HTH. |
Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers |
Posted - 2011.07.14 07:44:00 - [ 6]
Well, I only started 6 months ago, but I jumped straight into pvp. First, start with a T1 frigate. Buy about 20, and lose them all in pvp. After each fight, think long and hard about why you won/lost, and what you should have done differently. You'll learn a lot from this process. Only after you have a solid understanding of pvp through this process should you be worrying about which ship to specialise in. In part, it's because you won't know what you do and do not like doing in pvp until you have some experience behind you. In part, it's because you will die a lot at first, and you want those losses to be as cheap as possible. Personally, I only fly frigates. They are (almost) immune to gate camps, and can pretty effectively choose who to engage and who to avoid. All of that is pretty critical when flying solo. Battle cruisers are the most popular class of pvp ship, though, but many pilots find themselves stuck in a handful of systems because they can't handle running into gate camps on their own. This leads to camps of their own and general over hunting, turning their local systems into pirate wastelands. How do we find each other in low sec? The directional scanner. Mastering the Dscan is a requirement of low sec pvp. Don't start in low sec, though. Start with some arranged 1v1 in high sec, and some can flipping. Then move to the low sec "pockets" that are isolated from the main low sec network; outlaws like me have a difficult time reaching those pockets, so the fights you find will be easier. For what it's worth, I tracked my pvp learning experience on my blog, and you may find learning from my (many) mistakes helps you make slightly fewer of your own. Good hunting. |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2011.07.14 08:26:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 08:26:08
don't bother about pvp in lowsec, there is noone and its only for gatecampers but even that works better in 0.0.
Go to 0.0 for free pvp, where you can shoot/tackle stuff in a frigate, a NPC region where you can join a corp, a lot of targets and pew pew + juicy KMs in carebearing regions. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.14 08:34:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 08:26:08
Go to 0.0 for free pvp, where you can shoot/tackle stuff in a frigate, a NPC region where you can join a corp, a lot of targets and pew pew + juicy KMs in carebearing regions.
I'd tend to agree re frigates and null. The other option is to join Factional Warfare and just treat it as a free wardec. You can then engage wts on-station or on-gate and still pop anyone you like in belts/plex/whatever. Just don't bother with your own side in FW and fly solo. Null npc is a better option though. |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2011.07.14 08:55:00 - [ 9]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 09:02:46
btw. for ships in 0.0 you're perfect in
-BOMBER - if you like sneaky camping/roaming deep 0.0 and killing fat ratter boats
-CURSE - mean, hardly catchable without a blob, needs good drone skills + should have recon V)
-RAPIER - for bubble camping, frig killing
-HURRICANE - fast, cheap, deadly
-VAGABOND, CYNABAL - fast, deadly but mistakes hurt your wallet more than a cane
-DRAMIEL, CLAW, TARANIS - for frig pvp
-SABRE - for gate camping, frig killing, welcome in any gang
-various cloaky T3 but cant tell you much about this
those are solo ships I can tell you straight away, there are probably a lot of another ships you can have fun with |
Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers |
Posted - 2011.07.14 13:22:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Mara Abraham on 14/07/2011 13:27:54Greetings Robert: Originally by: Robert Caldera
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 08:26:08
don't bother about pvp in lowsec, there is noone and its only for gatecampers but even that works better in 0.0.
Go to 0.0 for free pvp, where you can shoot/tackle stuff in a frigate, a NPC region where you can join a corp, a lot of targets and pew pew + juicy KMs in carebearing regions.
I solo on a regular basis in low security space. And to be clear, solo (no dual, triple, etc. boxing or friends in hiding / backup). http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1586/sneaky-buzzard-kill/ is just one example of hunting with a blood rush. I lose as well as win per http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1592/doh-moments-laughter/. Yes, there are sometimes days that go by with nothing to kill (on a solo basis). But to state, "there is none" and "its only for gate campers" is incorrect. Thank you. P.S. http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=198079 is yet another solo Rifter kill (near a station -- war targets, so no station guns). |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2011.07.14 15:14:00 - [ 11]
yeah, havent expected one would take that "noone" too literally, there is almost noone, should be pretty clear as I assumed since almost nothing is absolute in the world.
What I mean, there is barely one but there is actually no reason for someone doing pvp in lowsec where 0.0 is near. Its just less limited and offers more. |
Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.07.14 15:19:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
yeah, havent expected one would take that "noone" too literally, there is almost noone, should be pretty clear as I assumed since almost nothing is absolute in the world.
What I mean, there is barely one but there is actually no reason for someone doing pvp in lowsec where 0.0 is near. Its just less limited and offers more.
Your comment read as a blatant troll, now I see you are just clueless. Solo roaming exists, there are dry spells definitely but that's because it isn't an easy activity. If you need instant gratification then gang up but don't talk authoritatively about something you have no idea about. |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2011.07.14 15:32:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 15:33:59
Troll? What are you talking about? I didnt say there is nobody, just nothing if you compare to 0.0. There is simply nothing to do for potential targets in low, so why people should be in space then?
There are 5000 kills on my pvp account, 99% of them in zero, after I realized how f*cking dead lowsec is. In the same time you are limited in your ship choices by gate guns and no interdictor bubbles.
For that reason I tell everyone who begins with pvp, not trying that in lowsec, because its a waste of time IMO and thats my f*cking good right to tell my opinion. |
tagen young
Caldari
The Night Witch
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:56:00 - [ 14]
To answer question three.
T1 frigates and even the lower dps T2 frigates will struggle to kill battleships even with perfect skills. The higher dps t2 frigates can. For cheap low sec ratting I always used an autocannon thrasher and it had no problem taking down the battleships pretty quickly.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.14 18:28:00 - [ 15]
For solo work this is the ship progression I took(Sub BC);
Rifter
Tyranis
Comet
Daredevil
Vagabond/FI Stabber
Cynabal
Lately it's been Cynabal or Nano Drake
For finding targets just use Dscan and a little intuition. Smack sometimes works, or even requesting a 1v1 in local. Just experiment and develop your own techniques.
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JapiTheMan |
Posted - 2011.07.14 20:41:00 - [ 16]
Thank you for all the good responses.
I think I'll drop my original plan of HACs and focus more on t1 frigs for starters. As was pointed out, they are cheap enough to lose and lose i will, especially on the beginning. If and when I decide pvp really is my thing, I'll get into pvp corp and will look into bigger ships.
This short topic alone proved one thing, I got tons to learn about the 'lingo' :D Didnt understand half of what some ppl were saying. |
JapiTheMan |
Posted - 2011.07.14 20:44:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Robert Caldera
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 08:26:08
don't bother about pvp in lowsec, there is noone and its only for gatecampers but even that works better in 0.0.
Go to 0.0 for free pvp, where you can shoot/tackle stuff in a frigate, a NPC region where you can join a corp, a lot of targets and pew pew + juicy KMs in carebearing regions.
About this, I thought 0.0 space was almost specificly player corp owned. How can a lone noob go there and expect to survive longer than 10secs? But there are some npc regions as well, with npc stations? |
JapiTheMan |
Posted - 2011.07.14 20:47:00 - [ 18]
Also, if I happen to find more than 1 person, is there anyway to see if they are in fleet together or actually both hostile towards each other too?
Hmm i think i'll go with my questions to help channels, my original point was well answered. |
Amar Azaph |
Posted - 2011.07.14 21:21:00 - [ 19]
Jump through a gate- get locked up, dude fires, you fire back, doing some good damage and you have him/her scrambled. Think you are about to win and then his friends show up and you lose.
Asteroid belt- dude shows up, fight starts, your winning, he/she is taking damage then the same thing, friends show up and you lose.
Get a stealth bomber- cloak up in null sec- find a fleet fight- approach fight to about 30km away- uncloak and release electron bomb into the middle of the fight- enjoy the kill mails. |
Robert Caldera |
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:43:00 - [ 20]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 14/07/2011 22:43:48 Originally by: JapiTheMan
About this, I thought 0.0 space was almost specificly player corp owned. How can a lone noob go there and expect to survive longer than 10secs? But there are some npc regions as well, with npc stations?
there are NPC regions, as noob you will die a lot but you will learn a lot in the same time. If you like learning pvp, there is the right place for that. However, in lowsec as in 0.0, you should join a pvp corp with experienced players, that would boost your progress a lot. Even in hostile space, you are fine in the right ship if you know what you're doing. Originally by: JapiTheMan
Also, if I happen to find more than 1 person, is there anyway to see if they are in fleet together or actually both hostile towards each other too?
you can check corp/alliance if they belong together, otherwise you must know their standings to each other but you cant never tell if they are in the same fleet or not (most likely if they belong to the same corp/alliance). |
Darrael |
Posted - 2011.07.15 11:24:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: Darrael on 15/07/2011 11:33:24
Learning to PVP basics.
Step 1. Find a good low/nullsec corp, join.
Step 2. PVP and die...lots. Listen and learn. Fly as cheap a ship and fit as your wallet demands. Learn to die (not as silly as it sounds) - basically learn how not to panic when its starting to happen. Listen to the good PVP'ers in the Corp and fly with them as often as they will let you. If they are not letting you find a new corp. If you are not enjoying it find a new corp (and enjoying it doesnt necessarily mean getting kills). If you are not feeling on the edge of loosing control at least once on every roam find a new corp or at least start pushing yourself more.
Step 3. As you find what your doing is becoming 'comfortable' either find a new corp or talk to corp mates. Chances are if its a good group others feel same way and together you can find what does interest you.
Hardest part is of course finding a good corp to fly with. If in doubt fly something cheap into lowsec and die....convo those that kill you (assuming they aren't asshats) and if you cary yourself well, no asshat smacktalk...you may get to join them.
Edit: re-reading this I know it sounds like I'm ignoring OPs actual question, but I'd suggest above would be best course than endlesly dieing in the 'right' ship and not learning anything from those deaths. :-( |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.07.16 20:45:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Taurean Eltanin
Well, I only started 6 months ago, but I jumped straight into pvp.
First, start with a T1 frigate. Buy about 20, and lose them all in pvp. After each fight, think long and hard about why you won/lost, and what you should have done differently. You'll learn a lot from this process.
Only after you have a solid understanding of pvp through this process should you be worrying about which ship to specialise in.
In part, it's because you won't know what you do and do not like doing in pvp until you have some experience behind you. In part, it's because you will die a lot at first, and you want those losses to be as cheap as possible.
Personally, I only fly frigates. They are (almost) immune to gate camps, and can pretty effectively choose who to engage and who to avoid. All of that is pretty critical when flying solo.
Battle cruisers are the most popular class of pvp ship, though, but many pilots find themselves stuck in a handful of systems because they can't handle running into gate camps on their own. This leads to camps of their own and general over hunting, turning their local systems into pirate wastelands.
How do we find each other in low sec? The directional scanner. Mastering the Dscan is a requirement of low sec pvp.
Don't start in low sec, though. Start with some arranged 1v1 in high sec, and some can flipping. Then move to the low sec "pockets" that are isolated from the main low sec network; outlaws like me have a difficult time reaching those pockets, so the fights you find will be easier.
For what it's worth, I tracked my pvp learning experience on my blog, and you may find learning from my (many) mistakes helps you make slightly fewer of your own.
Good hunting.
Great blog. great journey. Thanks for sharing your experience. I did sit there wondering how the hell you managed to find fights and not fleeted, command bonused, remote repped, falcon alted ***s in every system .. You must just have the 'gift'. |
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