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Capdown Jakuard
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:18:00 - [1]
 

Hi, being quite new to eve I've spent a lot of time trying all kinds of jobs and just learning how it works, it's been fun and at the moment I'm mostly a trader
But I'm getting bored at looking at my Stabber and it's time for a upgrade, so does anyone have any suggestions for a 10-40mil budget while tranquility is offline? :)
I trade, salvage and sometimes PvE and I'd like something thats a bit of jack-of-all-trades and master of none, if it exists.
(so I can be lazy and don't have to keep switching ships)
I was planning on a Hurricane from the start, but now looking for something with a slightly larger cargo space

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:51:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:51:45
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:50:49
Hi, I have your jack-of-all-trades PVE ship right here:

[Hurricane, Jack]
Miner II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Hellhound F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
250mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M
Dual 180mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Titanium Sabot M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Small Shield Booster II
1MN Afterburner I
Small Hull Repairer I

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Small Armor Repairer I
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet II x1
Warrior II x1
Acolyte II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x1


169dps
18.6k ehp
20.7hp/s shield tank
33.6hp/s armour tank
1.1hp/s hull tank

Mining? Check.
Trading? Check. The 2 cargo expanders should fix your limited cargo problem!
PVE? Check. Smartbomb for low level drone missions, blaster for frigates in missions which escape your smartbomb, railgun for sniping and autocannon for med-range engagements. FOF missile for ECM heavy rats.
Drones of all damage types, so you're ready for any enemy faction. Logistics armour drone keeps your drones repped, so you don't need to dock for repairs.

Hull repper so you don't need to waste repair fees on your ship, and if you're damaged, you can just keep flying without stopping.
Armor repper for the same reason.
Shield booster for a similar reason. You don't need to dock for your shields to quickly recharge.
Warp core optimiser rig, because warping is a large part of EVE.

Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings.
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Makko Gray on 13/07/2011 11:57:33
Battle cruiser probably fits with the price tag. Good for more PvE than the cruiser and will generally have a little more cargo space, for Minmatar you get the choice of the Hurricane or Cyclone. I think the Cyclone is more forgiving for newer players with it's shield tank bonus.

Jumping up to a Typhoon will give you more bang, and more space, but ultimately ships tend to specialise and anything with more cargo hold than a battleship is going to be a specialist industrial or freighter.

Edit: Also in case you're not aware the post above is trolling you, that is what counts as a terrible fit.

Parfait M
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:02:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet

[Hurricane, Jack]
Miner II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Hellhound F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
250mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M
Dual 180mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Titanium Sabot M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Small Shield Booster II
1MN Afterburner I
Small Hull Repairer I

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Small Armor Repairer I
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet II x1
Warrior II x1
Acolyte II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x1



Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Moonasha
Amarr
Dominus Machinarum
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:05:00 - [5]
 

I burst into laughter at the warp core optimizers. lolz

Cuircuir Moustache
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:51:45
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:50:49
Hi, I have your jack-of-all-trades PVE ship right here:

[Hurricane, Jack]
Miner II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Hellhound F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
250mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M
Dual 180mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Titanium Sabot M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Small Shield Booster II
1MN Afterburner I
Small Hull Repairer I

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Small Armor Repairer I
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet II x1
Warrior II x1
Acolyte II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x1


169dps
18.6k ehp
20.7hp/s shield tank
33.6hp/s armour tank
1.1hp/s hull tank

Mining? Check.
Trading? Check. The 2 cargo expanders should fix your limited cargo problem!
PVE? Check. Smartbomb for low level drone missions, blaster for frigates in missions which escape your smartbomb, railgun for sniping and autocannon for med-range engagements. FOF missile for ECM heavy rats.
Drones of all damage types, so you're ready for any enemy faction. Logistics armour drone keeps your drones repped, so you don't need to dock for repairs.

Hull repper so you don't need to waste repair fees on your ship, and if you're damaged, you can just keep flying without stopping.
Armor repper for the same reason.
Shield booster for a similar reason. You don't need to dock for your shields to quickly recharge.
Warp core optimiser rig, because warping is a large part of EVE.

OP asked for jack of all trades master of none. This would be a master comedy killmail.

The jack of all trades is your hangar really. Get an indus, fit it so it can hold your combat ship (10k m3 for a cruiser, 15k m3 for a BC). Don't rig your combat ship. And voilą, large cargo, combat / exploration / light mining ability, all movable in 1 trip.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:39:00 - [7]
 

The best way to do multipurpose ship is to fly what you like and have an orca/station/POS hold all the equipment and allow you to interchange fits as needed.

None of the combat ships larger than frigates make good haulers and none of the haulers make good combat ships, so if you want to transport goods place to place, get an industrial or use a frigate for small cargo.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.07.13 14:17:00 - [8]
 

I just fit that hurricane, down to the details. Just to have it. It is like that ugly chick who you want to bang just because she has a really hot ass and you are into braces. Thank you for this thread.

Capdown Jakuard
Posted - 2011.07.13 16:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken
I just fit that hurricane, down to the details. Just to have it. It is like that ugly chick who you want to bang just because she has a really hot ass and you are into braces. Thank you for this thread.



heh you're welcome... I guess? :)

Well I went ahead and blew all my cash on a hurricane and fittings for PVP... Completely against what I had planned, just one of the impulse buys...
But thank you everyone for the posts, I guess there really are no 'bigger than frig multipurpose' type ships..
I don't see how having a multipurpose ship is THAT big of a deal though if your spending most of your time in high sec.

But the industrial ship was a good idea, however I had already thought of that and was concerned about it making me a big (in both meanings :)) target if I'm carrying around my life savings in one ship with no guns on it?
I guess thats what the huge armor HP is there for though, I just wasn't sure...

Anyway, too late, spending all my money to specialize in things I may never do nowConfusedCool

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.13 16:09:00 - [10]
 

It's very simple really - a jack of all trades ship, is master of none.
If you are master of none, it doesn't matter what you do to optimize your combat performance, everyone you face will be better at it than you.

Which means you lose, every fight you go into.

Capdown Jakuard
Posted - 2011.07.13 17:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: James Lyrus
It's very simple really - a jack of all trades ship, is master of none.
If you are master of none, it doesn't matter what you do to optimize your combat performance, everyone you face will be better at it than you.

Which means you lose, every fight you go into.


Yep, that is what I was asking about.. Or just wondering if it existed in the game.
There nothing wrong with not putting all your eggs in one basket if you want to make ISK and explore EVE I think.

If you don't like moving around from A to B all the time to make ISK and feel like staying at 'A' for a while, not including L4 missions or PvP, I thought there might be a ship for this other than hauling stuff around in a industrial


Just wanted to go about what I'm already doing but in a bit more styleCool
If I was a vet you could say "Carebear ---> Cigar smoking carebear in a rolls royce" if you like.
(minus the monocle)

Not that thats how I plan to play in the near future at all, but at this stage in the game it might be useful, or something to ask about if these ships don't already exist, and I guess they don't, which is fine of course. I got my cane now anyways

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2011.07.13 17:21:00 - [12]
 

It does exist, the Myrmidon is a very versatile ship and should fit the bill of what you are looking for.

You may however not have the skills needed to fly either well so think if it is what you like - both Domi and Myrm *can* be used in just about all situations and perform fairly well, though usually there is a ship which will perform better in a specific situation very few if any are as versatile.

Mission running? Check
Exploration? Check
Plexing? (high and low sec anyhow) Check
Ratting? Check
WH exploration? Check (but you really need to know your ship and your foes)
Gas mining? Check (not that I would recommend this!)
PVP - Check (it will not fill all roles, and usually there are better ships out there for any given task but it can pull a few tricks and it can sport a surprising tank)

Have fun - each one of the above is likely to use a different fit, skillset etc but it can do it all.

Later you can graduate to the Dominix - That is universally recognized as the jack of all trades ship.

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.07.13 17:24:00 - [13]
 

Wow. Just... Wow.

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Capdown Jakuard
Hi, being quite new to eve I've spent a lot of time trying all kinds of jobs and just learning how it works, it's been fun and at the moment I'm mostly a trader
But I'm getting bored at looking at my Stabber and it's time for a upgrade, so does anyone have any suggestions for a 10-40mil budget while tranquility is offline? :)
I trade, salvage and sometimes PvE and I'd like something thats a bit of jack-of-all-trades and master of none, if it exists.
(so I can be lazy and don't have to keep switching ships)
I was planning on a Hurricane from the start, but now looking for something with a slightly larger cargo space



Ferox

No, really. This ship masters nothing, but is vastly under rated.

Up to 5 launchers or 6 turrets means you can use any of the 4 major weapons systems although not optimaly. The five launchers should not be discounted because of the excellent damage projection of heavy missiles, and it's worth noting that this was the FOTM sub battleship PVE monster before the Drake was born. The high slot layout also means that you can stay in one ship while you train what ever FOTM weapon system you want although the drone bay is small.

It has the same resists bonus of a Drake and the second highest CPU output of all T1 battlecruisers which makes it easier to fit those cpu hogs you may want to add.

If you want to mine, mission, transport or pvp this ship can do it all. Although there is always a better ship for what ever you use it for, no other ship (bar a T3) can fill as many roles as the OX.


Mine: check
PVE: check
PVP: check
Missile Spam: check
Turrets: check
Ewar potential: check
Haul: check
Bait ship: check
Active Tank: check
Passive Tank: check
Buffer Tank: check
Cheap: check

If this ship could armor tank it would be OP Very Happy


HTH

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2011.07.14 05:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Moonasha
I burst into laughter at the warp core optimizers. lolz

you made it that far?
I was laughing before I was thru the mids

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.14 07:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Franny
Originally by: Moonasha
I burst into laughter at the warp core optimizers. lolz

you made it that far?
I was laughing before I was thru the mids


I stopped at Miner 2 lol

Bumbo Ras
Posted - 2011.07.14 11:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: Franny
Originally by: Moonasha
I burst into laughter at the warp core optimizers. lolz

you made it that far?
I was laughing before I was thru the mids


I stopped at Miner 2 lol


I cannot understand what is so funny.
Did you read the requirement? If so then you should really laugh at yourself, if not then you should really laugh at yourself.


Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:18:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Reppyk on 14/07/2011 12:19:27
Nice 'cane m8.

But suddenly, a wild challenger appears.

Quote:
[Scorpion, Swiss]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Warp Disruptor II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
Medium Hull Repairer II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Booster II
Passive Targeter I

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Salvager II
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Miner II
Gas Cloud Harvester II

Large Emission Scope Sharpener I
Large Targeting Systems Stabilizer I
Large Targeting Systems Stabilizer I


Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I x1
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x1
Berserker SW-900 x1
Acolyte EV-300 x1
Hobgoblin SD-300 x1
Acolyte TD-300 x1



Do you like my mining tackler salvager harvester ewarfare harvester neutra webbing triple active tank hull buffer nano warpcor'd logi exploration td lr anti bs cr anti freg drone boat pvp scorpion ?

I put some nice rigs too, if you want to ninja some very worthy archeo sites, just plug in a cloak and an analyzer.

VaL Iscariot
Caldari
The Concilium Enterprises
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 12:54:00 - [19]
 

Hmm.. a jack of all trades ship yet a master of none? A capable ship, yet fitting no specific role?

Only one ship springs forth in my mind: The Ferox.

[Ferox, Jack of all trades]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Codebreaker I
Analyzer I
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Widowmaker Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Widowmaker Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Widowmaker Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Widowmaker Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Widowmaker Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

I call this an Explorationox. It can take on every high sec scan site and even a few in low sec, if you're bold.

Sporting 310 dps, a 72% plus omni-tank and 128 omni-dps tanked it's a more then capable ship for whatever job you need done. You can swap the extender for an afterburner if you'd like. more then enough grid.

It also fits your price range. Cool

Commander IceQ
Caldari
Spit and Ductape Maintenance
Trade Wind Commodities
Posted - 2011.07.14 13:07:00 - [20]
 

Well if your budget grows I would say; Tengu.

Can explore (scan bonus), do lvl4's, can salvage, have a tractor beam bonus, etc...

Cool


Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.14 13:35:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:51:45
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 13/07/2011 11:50:49
Hi, I have your jack-of-all-trades PVE ship right here:

[Hurricane, Jack]
Miner II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Hellhound F.O.F. Heavy Missile I
250mm Railgun I, Tungsten Charge M
Dual 180mm Carbine Repeating Cannon I, Titanium Sabot M

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Small Shield Booster II
1MN Afterburner I
Small Hull Repairer I

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Small Armor Repairer I
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I
Medium Warp Core Optimizer I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet II x1
Warrior II x1
Acolyte II x1
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x1


169dps
18.6k ehp
20.7hp/s shield tank
33.6hp/s armour tank
1.1hp/s hull tank

Mining? Check.
Trading? Check. The 2 cargo expanders should fix your limited cargo problem!
PVE? Check. Smartbomb for low level drone missions, blaster for frigates in missions which escape your smartbomb, railgun for sniping and autocannon for med-range engagements. FOF missile for ECM heavy rats.
Drones of all damage types, so you're ready for any enemy faction. Logistics armour drone keeps your drones repped, so you don't need to dock for repairs.

Hull repper so you don't need to waste repair fees on your ship, and if you're damaged, you can just keep flying without stopping.
Armor repper for the same reason.
Shield booster for a similar reason. You don't need to dock for your shields to quickly recharge.
Warp core optimiser rig, because warping is a large part of EVE.


That was painful to look at. But drop a Salvager II and put in a Tractor Beam.

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2011.07.14 13:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Bumbo Ras
Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: Franny
Originally by: Moonasha
I burst into laughter at the warp core optimizers. lolz

you made it that far?
I was laughing before I was thru the mids


I stopped at Miner 2 lol


I cannot understand what is so funny.
Did you read the requirement? If so then you should really laugh at yourself, if not then you should really laugh at yourself.



we read it, that was what made it funny

Bumbo Ras
Posted - 2011.07.14 15:42:00 - [23]
 




we read it, that was what made it funny


Huh? That is what I asked in the first place. Anyways this is not WoW or some other cookie-cutter game where you only fit what is universally accepted as a good fit, it is a proper RPG where you can do what you like. The comedy of the fit is directly proportional to your own perceived elitist-ness

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2011.07.19 14:36:00 - [24]
 

Bumbo - here is a thought for you:

Just because someone wants a ship that can do all sorts of stuff does not mean that it has to do everything simultaneously (!). Seems people like the Ferox as a jack-of-all trades (I still vouch for the Myrmidon) but I would never try to fit to do everything at once - you fit for the mission at hand.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.07.19 15:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Capdown Jakuard

(so I can be lazy and don't have to keep switching ships)



I guess by the rest of the thread you have been able to tell that having to switch ships now and then is a much smaller problem for a lazy person than wanting to do everything with a single ship :)


 

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